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Roe V Wade has been repealed

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Your point is of no consequence as it doesn't refute the argument.

I will say again that a fetus is a developing human being that should not be killed for that reason do you or do you not agree?
No, I do not agree. It was 20+ pages of posts ago, so I not blame you for going back, but I have stated this earlier.

Essentially, a fetus takes a metric ton of resources from the host. Some peoples' bodies cannot handle this. There are legitimate reasons to abort a pregnancy. I remember my wife having to be in the hospital multiple times with my 2nd child. Thankfully, even that was mild compared to what some people have to go though, and it can be fatal for a person to carry a fetus to term. So I apologize if you don't like me using the word 'parasite' but a fetus is, by definition a parasitic symbiotic relationship to the host, and to ignore that fact is ignoring the health and safety of the individual, who now does not have a federally protected right to protect their body from.

These fetuses don't feel anything, they don't remember anything, and honestly, they're none the wiser when they are aborted, whereas the host could have a well-established life where many people would miss them.

It's a really sad fact of life, but it is indeed a fact. The tapeworm reference was used as an extreme mind you, but it shares similar properties to a human fetus in this case.
 
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No, I do not agree. It was 20+ pages of posts ago, so I not blame you for going back, but I have stated this earlier.

Essentially, a fetus takes a metric ton of resources from the host. Some peoples' bodies cannot handle this. There are legitimate reasons to abort a pregnancy. I remember my wife having to be in the hospital multiple times with my 2nd child. Thankfully, even that was mild compared to what some people have to go though, and it can be fatal for a person to carry a fetus to term. So I apologize if you don't like me using the word 'parasite' but a fetus is, by definition a parasitic symbiotic relationship to the host, and to ignore that fact is ignoring the health and safety of the individual, who now does not have a federally protected right to protect their body from.

These fetuses don't feel anything, they don't remember anything, and honestly, they're none the wiser when they are aborted, whereas the host could have a well-established life where many people would miss them.

It's a really sad fact of life, but it is indeed a fact. The tapeworm reference was used as an extreme mind you, but it shares similar properties to a human fetus in this case.
Another thing people should keep in mind is that a fetus, or rather an embryo technically isn't it's own living being, rather a coagulation of resource hogging tissue until about 8 or so weeks into the pregnancy. Before that point the brain, much less the entire bodily structure hasn't been fully formed and not to even mention the actual brain synapses don't start firing until around that point as well. So as much as people may hate it to be said, before that point in pregnancy the fetus is a glorified parasite and technically shouldn't be considered alive, much less a person with full sentience. It's basically the same thing as saying bacteria has a right to life so we shouldn't use antibiotics, although the tapeworm analogy was a much better example.
 
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According to that definition, an 8.5 month old fetus would be a parasite too. Even after birth it would still technically be a parasite if it is "living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply". Some groups or classes of adult humans, like those living with their parents or dependent on welfare, may also technically meet the definition of parasite.
 

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I wonder how RBG would feel about this. Do you think she'd like the way her replacement is voting?
 
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And the majority of people do support this. Yeah, there are some who don't, but the majority, the actual majority, not the psycho's about to riot now, support this, so yes, this is working for the people.
The majority of the U.S. is not conservative, and do NOT support this, hate to tell ya. The red states are the psycho ones, as they believe in a magical sky daddy. Always a mouth full of scripture, with a heart full of hate. Ironic as fuck. Hypocrites too.
 

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Imo, the person who leaked this months ago probably made things much worse for them. I think some of the Conservative judges would have voted against removing roe v wade.

But protesting outside their house probably made them want to remove it even more, just to show they cannot be intimidated. The leaker put the judges in the "hot seat" and made them not want to look like cowards. lol

So yea, "pro-lifers" should thank the leaker for putting the judges in the "hot seat".
 

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the psycho's about to riot now

Looks like they're about to do an "insurrection"



I'm not usually one for Schadenfreude, but I have to wonder how many of them are pro-mandate and just now getting a taste of their own medicine -- what it's like to be on the receiving end of having your bodily autonomy taken away.
 
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Looks like they're about to do an "insurrection"



I'm not usually one for Schadenfreude, but I have to wonder how many of them are pro-mandate and just now getting a taste of their own medicine -- what it's like to be on the receiving end of having your bodily autonomy taken away.

Called it, not a single Republican in sight despite the fact that this is the first time since 9/11 our rights are actually being stripped away. Exactly the type of scenario the constitution tells us might require overthrowing government. Fucking cowards will cheer the end of democracy from their recliners, a lot of good stocking up on guns did them.
 
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Called it, not a single Republican in sight despite the fact that this is the first time since 9/11 our rights are actually being stripped away. Exactly the type of scenario the constitution tells us might require overthrowing government. Fucking cowards will cheer the end of democracy from their recliners, a lot of good stocking up on guns did them.
The gun stockpiling is just a flashy intimidation tactic. Very few of them are stupid enough to actually try using them without being turned into swiss cheese by trained S.W.A.T. and police. My parents are very "christian" conservative trash with guns, and if it came down to the wire, they'd be too pussy to use the guns if home-by-home gun raids ever became a thing.
 
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Are you insinuating it would be bad if I were gay?
Not at all, minus habens.
What are all the "my body my choice" people's thoughts on circumcision?

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What are you talking about? Obviously against it, that was an easy question.
in no particular order

@Costello
One of these you mentioned is not like the others, and you know it.
This forum has a 2021 rule against misinformation you're failing to enforce. It's not a mere matter of "opinions".
 

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Called it, not a single Republican in sight despite the fact that this is the first time since 9/11 our rights are actually being stripped away. Exactly the type of scenario the constitution tells us might require overthrowing government. Fucking cowards will cheer the end of democracy from their recliners, a lot of good stocking up on guns did them.

Are the Dems any better tho?

 

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I don't have a problem with Roe v Wade being overturned. You have pretty much the same choice as before but instead of having to make that choice before you abort the child, you make the choice before you have sex (unless rape, but even then there are alternatives if you don't want to take care of the child such as adoption). Blue states won't ban abortion unless they all of the sudden have a complete 180 of what they believe. Red states will probably heavily restrict or ban all induced abortions. If the red states are just so bad, then why wouldn't you just move? If you can't move, don't have sex. If you have sex, there is a chance at creating a child and that is also conveniently the consent part. I presume basically everyone arguing here knows how babies are made so unless you are raped (which has alternatives such as adoption as I mentioned before), there isn't gonna be much else of a reason. Even then, rape can be reduced further with the 2nd amendment which I will explain below.

A lot of people are complaining about how 2A isn't going to get repealed, but use your brains here. The 2nd amendment also allows women to have guns. Shocking I know. Also, it's not like you are gonna take millions of them away even if you tried. They already tried that with alcohol. They couldn't do it just for alcohol which is no where near as loved as guns so how do you think it's gonna happen for guns? There is no way to arrest that many people and even with money incentives to just give them up, people like hunters will still keep their guns or people will keep guns for self defense. Also, guns pretty much are the reason women have defense against dipshits like rapists. I'd much rather have a firearm I can use to shoot a person trying to kill or rape me instead of having no firearm over BS.

If I had to take a guess, here is what would happen due to RoeVsWade being overturned. I'd say 24-26 states won't change it much or even give you more time to do so. The other states will likely still have it, but with severe limitations. Only a small hand few will probably do something like banning it entirely. Even then, medical emergencies probably will still be allowed in all states. However if this is otherwise the main argument, then just give exceptions for when the woman's life is in danger.

Miscarriages will not be outlawed in the USA. That seems so far-fetched that it doesn't ever seem possible. It wouldn't make any logical sense to do that and I doubt they would be able to even do fines. Also, due to giving the power back to the states instead of straight up banning it, it basically means that you'd have to figure out the laws for each individual state, figure out the time, and more. Also once you account for the fact that people usually don't think "miscarriage? nah must be illegal abortion", it lowers the odds even more and likely to the point of not being there at all. Do you really think they are gonna check that? No of course not.

Ectopic pregnancies will not be banned from getting actual treatment. Simple as that. Any attempts will likely be very quickly shut down by people and even if the laws do pass, they would remove any part banning ectopic pregnancy treatment from getting banned. Also, even if they were trying to ban it, most people wouldn't support at all (even pro-lifers like myself). Pretty much anyone with a few seconds of time to google it will be able to at least get the idea of what it is and know they are not going to get banned.

Some people may say that I am hypocritical because I haven't adopted any kids (and don't have kids at all anyways). I don't adopt kids because I am smart enough to know I wouldn't at all be able to provide for a kid. Same reason I don't have sex. Responsibility falls on both the mother and the father. The father should either not have sex, get a vasectomy, or use condoms. The mother should be on birth control and Plan B or don't have sex. Now for people who want to take up such a responsibility, you can adopt a child. I consider it a very heroic thing to do as you are providing someone who would have otherwise possibly had many issues in their life be able to have a good life now.

I actually think banning abortion could bring some positives too. For one, foster care might finally get fixed. The system is broken and shitty people just use the kids for horrible things so it should be reformed. Also, it's fair that the father pays the mother child support assuming they aren't married and the mother isn't mentally deranged. There are all these options here and yet somehow most people ignore it or don't know they are here.

Some final things: Gay marriage won't be outlawed and women will not lose their right to stuff like voting. Gay marriage seems pointless to ban and it makes them money. Women definitely won't lose rights like for voting because it has been for like over a century now. There isn't anyone in the Supreme court or anywhere else that would support it. Hell, there have been women in higher places of power like the Supreme court so odds are, it's not gonna happen. I am kinda wondering what the outrage would be if I called every single person who thought this conspiracy theorist.
 
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Some final things: Gay marriage won't be outlawed and women will not lose their right to stuff like voting. Gay marriage seems pointless to ban and it makes them money. Women definitely won't lose rights like for voting because it has been for like over a century now. There isn't anyone in the Supreme court or anywhere else that would support it. Hell, there have been women in higher places of power like the Supreme court so odds are, it's not gonna happen. I am kinda wondering what the outrage would be if I called every single person who thought this conspiracy theorist.
Kinda like you called conspiracy theorists those who said Roe v Wade would be overturned and you were part of the bad faith naysayers?
Miscarriages will not be outlawed in the USA. That seems so far-fetched that it doesn't ever seem possible. It wouldn't make any logical sense to do that and I doubt they would be able to even do fines. Also, due to giving the power back to the states instead of straight up banning it, it basically means that you'd have to figure out the laws for each individual state, figure out the time, and more. Also once you account for the fact that people usually don't think "miscarriage? nah must be illegal abortion", it lowers the odds even more and likely to the point of not being there at all. Do you really think they are gonna check that? No of course no
No one has talked about outlawing miscarriages. Contraception is the next on the block, which makes your first paragraphs a whole load of trite nonsense.
I actually think banning abortion could bring some positives too. For one, foster care might finally get fixed. The system is broken and shitty people just use the kids for horrible things so it should be reformed. Also, it's fair that the father pays the mother child support assuming they aren't married and the mother isn't mentally deranged. There are all these options here and yet somehow most people ignore it or don't know they are here.
None of this required an overturning of Roe v Wade to happen. In fact, it is gonna make them worse.
 
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Are the Dems any better tho?


Liberal democrats have the exact opposite problem: they don't buy guns at all, even with impending theocratic fascism biting at their ankles. And while I can respect that stance and their bravery in going to protests unarmed, it also means they get taken a lot less seriously by the powers that be. They hold too much faith in our institutions to protect us, even as those very institutions crumble to ashes. There's only one option left for non-violent recourse, and that's a general strike; very unlikely to succeed without support from some conservatives. Every individual needs to be prepared to defend their own rights, by force if necessary, as it's the only language fascists understand.
 
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Kinda like you called conspiracy theorists those who said Roe v Wade would be overturned and you were part of the bad faith naysayers?

No one has talked about outlawing miscarriages. Contraception is the next on the block, which makes your first paragraphs a whole load of trite nonsense.

None of this required an overturning of Roe v Wade to happen. In fact, it is gonna make them worse.
1. Never did that. Hell I barely did anything with politics until a bit more recently and even then still not much.

2. I mean hey look I am just also covering the entire base in case there is someone who attempts to try to argue that. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried just for a desperate attempt to defend anyways. Contraception I doubt is gonna be banned. What would that do? Condoms for example, don't kill a preborn child and they probably make money. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

3. Did they require it? Maybe not, but they had much less of a reason to do so. Foster care could actually be given a reason to improve since once again, more people might end up there. It may be possible to also enforce the child support thing sooner too. In places that will restrict to extremely short times, it will basically be the moment they find out they are pregnant unless they find out before a time like 6 weeks. If it takes longer, then it might still not be possible but would be better then not at all. Odds are, people are also going to want it now and they may at least consider it so still a better attempt then nothing.
 
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