World War III discussion

Dark_Ansem · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
Well they were taking down the rainbow flag as america left and change the law around sexuality quite drastically.

They chose the taliban regime, and it's already biting them in their ass. They made their bed, they'd suffer. And they will. It's a failure of the western rightwing powers, so let them own it.

Creamu said:
I mean what should be done to people who simply see freedom of speech as a higher value as the subjects discussed above, in you view.

but you see, their freedom of speech is not in peril. No one is gagging them, cutting their tongue or preventing them from sharing their opinion. But their freedom ENDS where the freedom of others BEGINS. Or are you saying that the right of people to vomit hate is more important than the right of people to NOT have hate vomited on them?

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
They chose the taliban regime, and it's already biting them in their ass. They made their bed, they'd suffer. And they will. It's a failure of the western rightwing powers, so let them own it.

I agree. Weirdly the republican party starts to go for LGBTQ+ positions leaving a huge vacuum on the right of them.

Dark_Ansem said:
but you see, their freedom of speech is not in peril. No one is gagging them, cutting their tongue or preventing them from sharing their opinion.

Yes they have learned that this is ineffective in the long run from what happen 100 years ago in russia, fortunatly.

Dark_Ansem said:
But their freedom ENDS where the freedom of others BEGINS.

That is true, not everyone will have a place in any order. Thats were I see instability and conflict rising, if it should turn out to be that masses of people have other concerns than those discussed.

Dark_Ansem said:
Or are you saying that the right of people to vomit hate is more important than the right of people to NOT have hate vomited on them?

I do think thats the spirit of the american people and one reason why they left europe.

Dark_Ansem · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
I do think thats the spirit of the american people and one reason why they left europe.

The "Americans" who left Europe were in fact the bigots of the British empire, sent there because they were seditious and too radical even for one of the most brutal empires of history.

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
The "Americans" who left Europe were in fact the bigots of the British empire, sent there because they were seditious and too radical even for one of the most brutal empires of history.

I'm not sure I get what you are saying here.

In general the insistance of these historically and globally noval positions as right reminds me of the protestant spirit that led the biritsh empire to go into Africa. Everywhere the american emipre sets its foot, the rainbow flag rises. That is great for a nieche of the world population, good for them. Is it great for the local populations, the Afghans seem to think not. The rainbow flag gets a character of global domination of the world population. The moral impitus of right and wrong worldviews is a colonial one. The inability to reconsider positions might be the essence of the world confilct to come.

Dark_Ansem · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
Everywhere the american emipre sets its foot, the rainbow flag rises.

What are you talking about?

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
What are you talking about?

If the global banking system is established in a region it comes with that flag.

Dark_Ansem · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
If the global banking system is established in a region it comes with that flag.

Are you feeling all right? Because you keep saying things that are unrelated with each other.

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
Are you feeling all right? Because you keep saying things that are unrelated with each other.

I'm fine. To understand world confilct and world war it is important to understand the nature of territorial disputes and domination. Look at the appearance of the global banking system and the occurance of the rainbow flag.

Xzi · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
If the global banking system is established in a region it comes with that flag.

Chill with the homophobia. The rainbow flag should not be the first that comes to mind for you when you think "evil flag." Start with the swastika and confederate flag, to name a couple. And the American empire does still stand for those same things in some subtle and some not-so-subtle ways, so you could very much include the stars and stripes on that list as well.

World war 3? Probably not gonna happen with a global economy. What will happen, likely by the 2050s, are resource wars over drinking water and farmable land. They just won't likely be fought between major world powers until later down the line when things get real desperate. 2070s maybe.

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Xzi said:
Chill with the homophobia.

Where have I said anything that could be construde in this direction?

Xzi said:
The rainbow flag should not be the first that comes to mind for you when you think "evil flag."

You are putting words in my mouth. What I am saying is this:

Creamu said:
To understand world confilct and world war it is important to understand the nature of territorial disputes and domination. Look at the appearance of the global banking system and the occurance of the rainbow flag.

Xzi said:
Start with the swastika and confederate flag, to name a couple.

There has been plenty of that, and I don't want to beat on flags.

Xzi said:
And the American empire does still stand for those same things in some subtle and some not-so-subtle ways, so you could very much include the stars and stripes on that list as well.

I see how the american attribution can be confusing. What I am talking about is wall street colonialism.

Xzi said:
World war 3? Probably not gonna happen with a global economy. What will happen, likely by the 2050s, are resource wars over drinking water and farmable land. They just won't likely be fought between major world powers until later down the line when things get real desperate. 2070s maybe.

If you can see it coming it might be closer than your estimation, but you might be right, I have no reason to doubt your position.

Xzi · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
You are putting words in my mouth. What I am saying is this:

What you're saying is beyond ridiculous. The gays don't control the global banking system and neither do the Jews. It's corporations and billionaires that exert more control over it than anybody, plain and simple. So if you want someone to blame for the shitty state of things, blame Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Bezos, and Elon Musk. You don't have to go searching for some nameless, faceless shadow figure who's puppeteering it all, because these dickweeds will spit straight in your face if given the chance.

Dark_Ansem · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
Where have I said anything that could be construde in this direction?

There's a certain trend of you to talk about "gay flags" and something as if it were a very important topic.

Xzi said:
What you're saying is beyond ridiculous. The gays don't control the global banking system and neither do the Jews. It's corporations and billionaires that exert more control over it than anybody, plain and simple. So if you want someone to blame for the shitty state of things, blame Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Bezos, and Elon Musk. You don't have to go searching for some nameless, faceless shadow figure who's puppeteering it all, because these dickweeds will spit straight in your face if given the chance.

Rupert Murdoch is an enemy of humanity. I don't know if you're following australian press after the election, but the murdoch media did NOT take it well.

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Xzi said:
What you're saying is beyond ridiculous. The gays don't control the global banking system and neither do the Jews.

What a weird suggestion.

Xzi said:
It's corporations and billionaires that exert more control over it than anybody, plain and simple.

True, plutocrats.

Xzi said:
So if you want someone to blame for the shitty state of things, blame Rupert Murdoch, Jeff Bezos, and Elon Musk.

I do.

Xzi said:
You don't have to go searching for some nameless, faceless shadow figure who's puppeteering it all, because these dickweeds will spit straight in your face if given the chance.

Where is this coming from? Can you point me to anything that I have said, that claims anything like that?

Dark_Ansem · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
Where is this coming from? Can you point me to anything that I have said, that claims anything like that?

Your posts about the "global banking system raising gay flags".

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
There's a certain trend of you to talk about "gay flags" and something as if it were a very important topic.

I do believe the occrance of the rainbow flag is signifcant and to call it a "gay flag" is not understanding the meaning of the flag, which is in fact far more complex than that.

Dark_Ansem said:
Rupert Murdoch is an enemy of humanity. I don't know if you're following australian press after the election, but the murdoch media did NOT take it well.

I don't. But I have no reason to doubt what you are saying.

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Xzi said:
You don't have to go searching for some nameless, faceless shadow figure who's puppeteering it all, because these dickweeds will spit straight in your face if given the chance.

Where is this coming from? Can you point me to anything that I have said, that claims anything like that?

Dark_Ansem said:
Your posts about the "global banking system raising gay flags".

They are not faceless at all. Please dont quote me saying "gay flag" thats not my understanding of it.

Dark_Ansem · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
Everywhere the american emipre sets its foot, the rainbow flag rises.

But you DID say it.

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
But you DID say it.

The rainbow flag is not a "gay flag" as you call it. It is far more complex than that.

Xzi · May 26, 2022

Creamu said:
They are not faceless at all. Please dont quote me saying "gay flag" thats not my understanding of it.

Perhaps you should say what you mean then, and not fall back on symbology unless you're going to use the universally accepted meanings behind those symbols.

Creamu · May 26, 2022

Perhaps you should say what you mean then, and not fall back on symbology unless you're going to use the universally accepted meanings behind those symbols.

The rainbow flag is a useful symbol that by mainstream defintion does not mean "gay flag".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag

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