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U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

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With modern technology people can enjoy sex without many risks involved. Why do you want risks involved?
It’s not so much about pursuing risks as it it about risk being priced into the equation. Ideally recreational sex should never lead to pregnancy - that would resolve the abortion debacle almost entirely. Unfortunately it does, so we have to come up with a mutually satisfactory middle ground. I’ve read an interesting article yesterday, it featured a survey about how U.S. citizens feel like Roe v. Wade. Naturally the majority wants abortion to remain legal - that much was expected. What was interesting was that the same majority also wanted to see restrictions on abortion, some more sensible than others. You’d *expect* to see support for unrestrained access since society is increasingly liberal, but that’s not what the results show. An interesting read, one that shows that people generally support the right to choose, but with some caveats.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/sh...ant-some-restrictions-on-abortions-poll-shows

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/07/7301...bortion-legal-but-they-also-want-restrictions

The NPR article shows detailed results from a 2019 survey, the PBS one is less detailed, but much more recent. The sentiment is the same.
 
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Here’s why it matters. When I go for a nice drive, I do so for the purposes of entertainment. This activity carries some risks - I accept them as a given when stepping into the vehicle. I endeavour to drive safely, and getting into an accident isn’t my goal, but the possibility that I will get into one is always there. Should I plow right into a pedestrian
When people have sex, they do so for the purposes of entertainment. This activity carries some risks - which they acccept. They endevaour to have safe sex and getting pregnant is not their goal. But the possibility is always there.

You seem to have purposefully misunderstood my point. I was referring to you as a pedestrian crossing the road. No ambulance for you when you got knocked over, because you knew the risks of crossing the road. You're just a drain on society at that point, for something you chose.
 

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An interesting read, one that shows that people generally support the right to choose, but with some caveats.
Yes, only the pro lifers talk about scare stories of completely unrestricted abortions. Because inducing that fear is how they manipulate people into a knee jerk reaction of stopping all abortions.

I'm liberal and maybe the current time scales could be moved to reduce the window a little. The vase majority of abortions take place in less than half the deadline. But I think women and doctors are better suited to deciding what should change. Maybe nothing should.
 

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Yes, only the pro lifers talk about scare stories of completely unrestricted abortions. Because inducing that fear is how they manipulate people into a knee jerk reaction of stopping all abortions.

I'm liberal and maybe the current time scales could be moved to reduce the window a little. The vase majority of abortions take place in less than half the deadline. But I think women and doctors are better suited to deciding what should change. Maybe nothing should.
You’ve said something reasonable and interesting for a change. I like this new you. Why do you think the current window could be reduced? Can you substantiate that opinion?
 

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An abortion of a dead fetus, instead of forcing them to go to term. In cases of saving the mothers life, they would usually try to save the fetus if possible by inducing the birth or caesarean section.

Similar to roe v wade cut off in usual circumstances, but then the buzz on social media probably overlooks that (as have you).

I see you edited your post, but you're wrong. The sentiment is about having an abortion at any time regardless if the baby is alive or dead. The Colorado law that I posted about allow abortions up until birth regardless if the baby is dead or alive. Then there's also the law Congress just tried to pass that allows abortion up until birth, regardless if the baby is alive or dead. All of the discussion surrounding these events aren't related to the baby being dead. So your claims are invalid. The liberals I've been discussing literally want to be able to abort babies for any reason dead or alive at any point during the pregnancy.
 

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You’ve said something reasonable and interesting for a change. I like this new you. Why do you think the current window could be reduced? Can you substantiate that opinion?
I got bored with your incessant trolling, basically if you don't see me being reasonable then it's because you aren't being reasonable. I mirror people, because people only respect how they act. Like Putin won't respect diplomacy when he is being aggressive, he will only stop if you are aggressive back.

I don't personally have an opinion on if the current window could be reduced, I'm saying that there is room for discussion on the issue because I am liberal, but I don't think any of us should be involved in that discussion.

But any "ALL ABORTION IS MURDER" posts, I'll go toe to toe with.
 

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As for the bill Colorado Democratic Governor Jared Polis just signed you'll notice when reading about the bill that it codifies the existing laws in which there is no gestational time limit.
The existing law appears to https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2020A/bills/2020a_1098_01.pdf

The bill prohibits any person from intentionally or recklessly performing or attempting to perform an abortion on a person if the gestational age of the fetus is 22 weeks or older except in limited circumstances.

Are you saying this isn't an existing law?
Or that it doesn't say what I quoted?
Or that what I quoted doesn't mean the same as what you said?
 
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Thanks for the link, but the law you linked to was introduced and then "Postponed Indefinitely". It's not law and I don't think the hundreds of news outlets that covered this story got the fact that there's no gestational time limit wrong.

"The motion failed on a vote of 3-6."

Source for postponement: https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb20-1098 (Click on "bill history")
 

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I got bored with your incessant trolling, basically if you don't see me being reasonable then it's because you aren't being reasonable. I mirror people, because people only respect how they act. Like Putin won't respect diplomacy when he is being aggressive, he will only stop if you are aggressive back.

I don't personally have an opinion on if the current window could be reduced, I'm saying that there is room for discussion on the issue because I am liberal, but I don't think any of us should be involved in that discussion.

But any "ALL ABORTION IS MURDER" posts, I'll go toe to toe with.
Nevermind, you’re skating right into babble again. I didn’t ask you about Putin, or what’s your political alignment - I asked you why you think the window could be reduced, regardless of whether you personally think it should be reduced or not.
 

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Which I clearly answered and so it's time you took your meds, missy. If you want me to be reasonable, don't be a jerk.
You said that you don’t have a personal opinion and that there’s room for a discussion. That’s not an argument for or against reducing the window in question. You didn’t answer the question, you said a bunch of unrelated guff and then got flustered when I said that’s not an answer.
 

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My point is that I'm pro choice for a number of male-centric reasons. I'm not gonna pretend I have a bleeding heart for women, or that I want to win the Mother Therese prize. Because despite the pretentious nonsense the right-wingers and libertarians of this thread are spouting (you know, the people clucthing FREEDUMB to their chest but then all too happy to curtail the freedom of OTHERS to make decisions of their own goddamn body - same people who were crying out bloody murder for masks and vaccines, yet somehow think that 9-months pregancies and a lifetime of support are A-OK to accept without appeal), perfectly valid reasons exist.

First of all, nutcases do exist. In my line of work I've seen evidence of more than a couple guys, or girls, DELIBERATELY sabotaging condoms by way of puncturing them, in order to trap their partner with a pregnancy, AKA "stealthing", which is in fact a crime but that's beside the point. Now, where I come from, the right to refuse paternity (or maternity) does exist BUT the other parent can (and usually does) demand a judge to legally recognise the other parent, with the obvious consequences of pecuniary obligations (which can also be applied RETROACTIVELY). So, if the woman does it, it's usually tough luck, as you can't force a woman to abort (just like you shouldn't force her to carry out a pregnancy) and stealthing is exceedingly difficult to prove without a confession, but if it's the man doing the entrapping, a woman should have the possibility of getting out that pregnancy, and trap, without having to justify herself to a bunch of bigots.

Secondly, there are medical reasons. I am allergic to latex, which means that all condoms, even latex-free ones which are always a 50-50 gamble at best, can be uncomfortable, or worse. Now, in my teen years, I blitzed through the pain, but in my adulthood, I'm nowhere as inclined to feel that - but I'm also not inclined to give up sex. Does that mean I should be having a kid every time I have sex? Thankfully, other techniques exist (reliable ones, not crazy like a friend of mine does who simply pulls out, even if it has worked for him until now) but even so, the absolute mahority of them require girl compliance. I'm sure there's plenty of guys (and girls) who share my same predicament.

Thirdly, even if this should be pretty obvious, while accidental parents can be great and voluntary parents can be absolutely shitty, there is the undeniable fact that WANTING a child should be one of the first, if not THE first, factor(s) to consider when deciding whether a pregnancy needs to go forward or not. And this is true for fathers and mothers. If you believe in Christianity, for example, you'll recall that God created life and the universe as an act of WILL, not because He accidentally jizzed the cosmic void. Therefore the whole idea of banning abortion is anti-christian, in addition to illogical, because it's really difficult to imagine parents who are coaxed into being parents embracing their role with enthusiasm and no regrets. Let alone bitterness and resentment towards the kid.

I guess it's fair to assume I'll be waiting a while if I am expecting substance.
it's really difficult to provide substantial answers to your incel-inspired nonsense, but I hope the above paragraphs provided some perspective that goes beyond your comically-sized nose, or arse, whichever is used in your native language to imply perspective and lack thereof.

Thanks for the link, but the law you linked to was introduced and then "Postponed Indefinitely". It's not law and I don't think the hundreds of news outlets that covered this story got the fact that there's no gestational time limit wrong.
It won't take much for a RepubliKKKunt-dominated legislature to enact it. The fact that such a law exists is an aberration. Even worse that it's the party of "less government" to do so. You know, same party talking about freedoms who is currently deciding what kids can and cannot read. Right-wingers are hypocrites and a blight on society.
 

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Do you think people can get abortions because they don't have sex? An abortion without fucking?
Like... Last time I checked in order to get an abortion you need to have a fetus developing, which requires getting it on. That's a really ridiculous statement. Incel logic much?
of course i don't think they can get abortions without sex, i'm not a incel retard who spends all his time browsing reddit.

i meant i don't want it used as a form of birth control.
 

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My point is that I'm pro choice for a number of male-centric reasons. I'm not gonna pretend I have a bleeding heart for women, or that I want to win the Mother Therese prize. Because despite the pretentious nonsense the right-wingers and libertarians of this thread are spouting (you know, the people clucthing FREEDUMB to their chest but then all too happy to curtail the freedom of OTHERS to make decisions of their own goddamn body - same people who were crying out bloody murder for masks and vaccines, yet somehow think that 9-months pregancies and a lifetime of support are A-OK to accept without appeal), perfectly valid reasons exist.

First of all, nutcases do exist. In my line of work I've seen more than a couple guys, or girls, DELIBERATELY sabotaging condoms by way of puncturing them, in order to trap their partner with a pregnancy, AKA "stealthing", which is in fact a crime but that's beside the point. Now, where I come from, the right to refuse paternity (or maternity) does exist BUT the other parent can (and usually does) demand a judge to legally recognise the other parent, with the obvious consequences of pecuniary obligations (which can also be applied RETROACTIVELY). So, if the woman does it, it's usually tough luck, as you can't force a woman to abort (just like you shouldn't force her to carry out a pregnancy) and stealthing is exceedingly difficult to prove without a confession, but if it's the man doing the entrapping, a woman should have the possibility of getting out that pregnancy, and trap, without having to justify herself to a bunch of bigots.

Secondly, there are medical reasons. I am allergic to latex, which means that all condoms, even latex-free ones which are always a 50-50 gamble at best, can be uncomfortable, or worse. Now, in my teen years, I blitzed through the pain, but in my adulthood, I'm nowhere as inclined to feel that - but I'm also not inclined to give up sex. Does that mean I should be having a kid every time I have sex? Thankfully, other techniques exist (reliable ones, not crazy like a friend of mine does who simply pulls out, even if it has worked for him until now) but even so, the absolute mahority of them require girl compliance. I'm sure there's plenty of guys (and girls) who share my same predicament.

Thirdly, even if this should be pretty obvious, while accidental parents can be great and voluntary parents can be absolutely shitty, there is the undeniable fact that WANTING a child should be one of the first, if not THE first, factor(s) to consider when deciding whether a pregnancy needs to go forward or not. And this is true for fathers and mothers. If you believe in Christianity, for example, you'll recall that God created life and the universe as an act of WILL, not because He accidentally jizzed the cosmic void. Therefore the whole idea of banning abortion is anti-christian, in addition to illogical, because it's really difficult to imagine parents who are coaxed into being parents embracing their role with enthusiasm and no regrets.


it's really difficult to provide substantial answers to your incel-inspired nonsense, but I hope the above paragraphs provided some perspective that goes beyond your comically-sized nose, or arse, whichever is used in your native language to imply perspective and lack thereof.


It won't take much for a RepubliKKKunt-dominated legislature to enact it. The fact that such a law exists is an aberration. Even worse that it's the party of "less government" to do so. You know, same party talking about freedoms who is currently deciding what kids can and cannot read. Right-wingers are hypocrites and a blight on society.

Nice soap box. What's with you being on a gamer board calling people cucks and incel? Are you trying to be ironic? Take a nap. Nothing of what you said actually addresses any point that I've made. It's quite disappointing.
 
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