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U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

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Who put it in there?
Legally, consent and biological processes are two separate things.

You can't use the argument that because a woman had an orgasm, that she consented to sex.

Therefore you can't use consenting to sex and getting pregnant as consenting to the pregnancy either.
 

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Legally, consent and biological processes are two separate things.

You can't use the argument that a woman had an orgasm, that she consented to sex.

Therefore you can't use a pregnancy to construe that she consented to it either.
I am asking you how it ended up in there. Are you answering the question or not? Funnily enough, if abortion worked according to the same principles you guys have regarding evictions, your entire argument would be fucked. You don’t want to tell the truth, or operate from a point of mutual understanding, so I’m not interested in discussing anything with you.
 

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You’re wasting everyone’s time.
I made a rational point which you ignored and instead you focused on that I didn't tell you how babies were made, which I had assumed was a rhetorical question.

So it falls upon you, as it always does, as the person who is wasting everyone's time.

Women are born with all the eggs that they will ever ovulate, they did not consent to them being put in their bodies.
Men's testicles create sperm all the time, without the man's consent.

The sperm reaches the egg and fertilizes it, without either the man or woman's consent.

Happy now?
 

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If you haven't seen a fatal flaw in that argument, then you probably hate men too..

If a woman, can only get an abortion if she goes to the police and says she was raped and she can't cope & wants an abortion. How many men do you think will end up in court having to prove they didn't rape them (which is basically impossible).
took me a bit to realize but yea your right :rofl2:
 

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took me a bit to realize but yea your right :rofl2:
It's the rule of unintended consequences, the best option is always a compromise that everyone hates equally than trying to go for something you like.

Roe vs Wade was the closest to perfect you'll ever have, it's all down hill from here.
 

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I made a rational point which you ignored and instead you focused on that I didn't tell you how babies were made, which I had assumed was a rhetorical question.

So it falls upon you, as it always does, as the person who is wasting everyone's time.
Here’s why it matters. When I go for a nice drive, I do so for the purposes of entertainment. This activity carries some risks - I accept them as a given when stepping into the vehicle. I endeavour to drive safely, and getting into an accident isn’t my goal, but the possibility that I will get into one is always there. Should I plow right into a pedestrian and the accident is my fault, I am responsible for it regardless of whether I intended to do that or not. I operate on the assumption that even an amoeba realised that, so all this nonsense about consenting to the fetus being there is poppycock. Someone’s actions put it there, and it is now encumbent on them to deal with it, whatever that may entail. You can keep your red herring to yourself - a woman doesn’t “catch pregnancy” because someone sneezed on her. Even if the sex is recreational, the possibility of becoming pregnant is a known quantity she must necessarily accept when engaging in a risky activity. Her “lack of consent to being pregnant” doesn’t absolve her of responsibility. This is not a good pro choice argument, and never was.
 
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What's your source for that? Roe's threshold is more conservative than that.

There's recent buzz on social media and in liberal news media that points towards acceptance of having abortions at any time during the pregnancy. It's mainly stemming from the Colorado Governor's recent law he passed. I read a lot of posts from liberals on twitter, facebook and reddit relating to news and current events and most of the liberals think this is a great idea. Don't believe me? Go browse for a few hours or simply keep your head in the sand. Either way it doesn't bother me.

As for the bill Colorado Democratic Governor Jared Polis just signed you'll notice when reading about the bill that it codifies the existing laws in which there is no gestational time limit. That's where most of the discussion is happening - the lack of a gestational time limit, which in layman's terms allows abortions at any time during the pregnancy.

Colorado Governor Signs Bill Legalizing Abortion Up Until Birth

- https://dailycaller.com/2022/04/04/colorado-governor-signs-bill-legalizing-abortion-birth/

Colorado governor signs bill codifying the right to abortion in state law

- https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-abortion-law-2022-governor-jared-polis-signs-bill/

Colorado governor signs bill to protect access to abortion

- https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/04/...ts-bill-governor-jared-polis-signs/index.html

EDIT:

There's also this (unrelated to the Colorado bill);

Backlash builds after Dems vote to legalize abortion up to birth

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e-to-legalize-abortion-up-to-birth/ar-AAXo7hr
 
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The biological function of sex is reproduction. Having sex is consent to the "risks" involved.



Your question didn't factor in how the parents are creating the conditions for their children's ailments. It is intentionally blurring causality. If you want to ask me if one thinks a parent should be required to feed and shelter their children, well I doubt anyone would contest that.
With modern technology people can enjoy sex without many risks involved. Why do you want risks involved?
 

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dehumanizing hurts everyone.
Not really dehumanizing if the main thing is any brain function at all, thus no actual harm. They didn't feel that pain, not aware of being alive or their own heart or needs.
At that point it's still a shell. the shell develops first before "the soul" if you want me to put it in one of your guys spiritual beliefs.
 

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The problem I have is when people get abortions to get out of the consequences of having sex. That's when it irks me.
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BRUUUUH
Do you think people can get abortions because they don't have sex? An abortion without fucking?
Like... Last time I checked in order to get an abortion you need to have a fetus developing, which requires getting it on. That's a really ridiculous statement. Incel logic much?
 
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You either agree with my statement and dislike the language, or disagree with my statement because you dislike the language. Which is it? "You're a cuck" is not an argument. Pretending that you are privy to my sexual relationships just makes you a pervert.
You've made plenty of statements, all troubling but only a couple quite worrying.
 
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There's recent buzz on social media and in liberal news media that points towards acceptance of having abortions at any time during the pregnancy.
An abortion of a dead fetus, instead of forcing them to go to term. In cases of saving the mothers life, they would usually try to save the fetus if possible by inducing the birth or caesarean section.

Similar to roe v wade cut off in usual circumstances, but then the buzz on social media probably overlooks that (as have you).
 

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An abortion of a dead fetus. Instead of forcing them to go to term.

The same roe v wade cut off in usual circumstances, but then the buzz on social media probably overlooks that (as have you).

What's your source for this information? Where in the Colorado law does it state that that the no gestational time limit only applies to a dead fetus (your words, not mine)?
 
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