U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

AleronIves · May 24, 2022

Xzi said:
If something is "done correctly," as you describe it, why should there be any "consequences" for it? For that matter, why do you feel the need to ascribe consequences to sex when it's done simply for pleasure?

He doesn't have to "ascribe" consequences to sex. Pregnancy is the natural and often inevitable result if you don't take precautions to prevent it. He's saying that people who have sex without protection shouldn't be free from the natural consequence of that sex, which is pregnancy. It doesn't strike me as a controversial stance at all. If you want to have sex for fun, either take precautions to prevent pregnancy or be prepared to deal with the natural result.

Remember that @tabzer 's post was made in reply to the organ donation analogy. I don't think he's accusing women of deliberately having sex without protection so they can get abortions, because as anyone who knows anything about abortions is aware... they're not something you get "for fun".

Xzi · May 24, 2022

AleronIves said:
He's saying that people who have sex without protection shouldn't be free from the natural consequence of that sex, which is pregnancy. It doesn't strike me as a controversial stance at all.

It should strike you as controversial, because in a lot of parts of the US they don't teach teenagers about contraceptives. They only teach abstinence, and that obviously doesn't work well at all.

Dark_Ansem · May 24, 2022

Xzi said:
It should strike you as controversial, because in a lot of parts of the US they don't teach teenagers about contraceptives. They only teach abstinence, and that obviously doesn't work well at all.

Correct. Since "parents know best" schools in states like Kentucky don't even feature Sex Ed. And kentucky features some of the highest abortion rates.

AleronIves · May 24, 2022

These days, I suspect kids learn about sex on the Internet long before any sex ed happens in schools that bother to teach it.

Also, isn't this thread about adults? Even in states that allow abortion, don't minors need parental permission to get one? Permission is usually required to undergo significant medical procedures, AFAIK.

Dark_Ansem · May 24, 2022

AleronIves said:
These days, I suspect kids learn about sex on the Internet long before any sex ed happens in schools that bother to teach it.

And as we all know, the Internet is a perfectly safe environment with age appropriate filters and content verification innit.

AleronIves said:
Also, isn't this thread about adults? Even in states that allow abortion, don't minors need parental permission to get one? Permission is usually required to undergo significant medical procedures, AFAIK.

Teens can be adults too, if only legally.

tabzer · May 24, 2022

Sex is "mysoginist" because it only makes the women pregnant.

Ok.

Dark_Ansem · May 24, 2022

tabzer said:
Sex is "mysoginist" because it only makes the women pregnant.

Ok.

Literally no one said that, thank you for the example of usual gaslighting and lies typical of rightwingers.

tabzer · May 24, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
This language is extremely troubling. Are you looking with enjoyment at the idea of punishing women because they dare enjoying sex?

Dark_Ansem said:
It's not prudish, it's mysoginist.

These are your responses to my claim that pregnancy is an expected outcome of sex. Literally stupid.

Dark_Ansem · May 24, 2022

tabzer said:
These are your responses to my claim that pregnancy is an expected outcome of sex. Literally stupid.

No, these are my responses to your abominable language.

tabzer · May 24, 2022

Xzi said:
If something is "done correctly," as you describe it, why should there be any "consequences" for it? For that matter, why do you feel the need to ascribe consequences to sex when it's done simply for pleasure? Seems awfully prudish of you.

It is a consequence to those who'd see pregnancy as an equivalency of being forced to donate an organ-- unless you like being forced to donate organs and are advocating for that.

Dark_Ansem said:
No, these are my responses to your abominable language.

Being able to read and write is an acquired taste.

Dark_Ansem · May 24, 2022

tabzer said:
Being able to read and write is an acquired taste.

Unlike being able to think critically, which is a gift you lack.

tabzer · May 24, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
Unlike being able to think critically, which is a gift you lack.

So... you think my breakdown of the analogy is false because "the words are gross".

I'm not here to make you feel good, and I have yet to see you make good on your claim of "thinking critically".

Dark_Ansem · May 24, 2022

tabzer said:
So... you think my breakdown of the analogy is false because "the words are gross".

I didn't say a single thing about that, are you on drugs? Or sick?

tabzer said:
I'm not here to make you feel good,

You don't make anyone feel good, which is why your partner seeks solace elsewhere. Also thank you for once again derailing the thread into a flame fest, it's clearly in your DNA to be as uncivil as possible. In addition to your other glaring flaws.

tabzer said:
I have yet to see you make good on your claim of "thinking critically"

Perhaps you need spectacles, or a rewiring of your synapses. Probably both.

_47iscool · May 24, 2022

Someone knew ahead of time.

Xzi · May 24, 2022

_47iscool said:
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Wow this is dumb even by right-wing conspo standards. They didn't need to know the leak was coming because everyone's known for a long time that SCOTUS' decision on the matter would be coming soon, and Trump appointed three unqualified nutjobs to the court. For anyone paying attention, the assumption has always been that they'd overturn Roe v Wade despite promises made under oath to the contrary.

tabzer · May 24, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
I didn't say a single thing about that, are you on drugs? Or sick?

You don't make anyone feel good, which is why your partner seeks solace elsewhere. Also thank you for once again derailing the thread into a flame fest, it's clearly in your DNA to be as uncivil as possible. In addition to your other glaring flaws.

Perhaps you need spectacles, or a rewiring of your synapses. Probably both.

You either agree with my statement and dislike the language, or disagree with my statement because you dislike the language. Which is it? "You're a cuck" is not an argument. Pretending that you are privy to my sexual relationships just makes you a pervert.

_47iscool · May 24, 2022

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Foxi4 · May 24, 2022

_47iscool said:
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Story seems fabricated/manipulated - the lady’s suing for defamation. Fetuses don’t have vocal cords developed enough to make any noise whatsoever, and the state this lady worked in prohibits partial birth abortions.

https://apnews.com/article/5067293c0e5d4780a180bbbcdf29d351

In other words, *clears throat* it’s bollocks.

tabzer · May 24, 2022

Xzi said:
It does feel mostly like an "I hate women..." type of thing, but the other half of that sentence is usually "...because they aren't having sex with me specifically." Only reason I can think of for getting pissed off over other people having sex strictly for pleasure.

It has nothing to do with hating women or casual sex. It's about an analogy that doesn't work. Considering that you've already stated that the end justifies the means in regards to political matters, it shouldn't be all that surprising that you'd resort to projection in lieu of an actual argument.

Would you have people believe that you have sex, a baseless claim, so my argument is to be discredited?

smf · May 24, 2022

KennyAtom said:
fetuses are babies.

No, they aren't. Please use the correct scientific term.

tabzer said:
It has nothing to do with hating women or casual sex.

Just because you say that, doesn't mean it's true.

A lot of murderers claim they did it because they love the person they murdered. Which is clearly not true.

All you can say is you think you don't hate women. Your actions will betray you though.

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