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U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision
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A child is a baby adult and a fetus is a baby baby. You are your mother's baby. Are we clear?
When it comes to things like abortion there's a reason to why laws are gray. If a a pregnant woman get's murdered; it's considered a double homicide. If a lady has an abortion without the approval of her child's father that's also a wrong. If she were to claim she was raped to have an abortion and try to put a man to jail for life. That's wrong too. Being an adults accepting responsibility for the things you do. There are some things we can't control, but lust is one we can. In a country where nobody wants to work I think it's a good wake up call.
If you're going to keep talking about abortion as if it is killing babies, then nobody is going to listen to you.
So if nobody is going to listen to you and you aren't going to listen to anyone else then I wonder why you bother.
Having an arbitrary cut off point that happens to be before most women would be aware they were pregnant, is a little disingenuous.
You would get more consensus around 12 weeks. Can you make up some reason around the 12 week mark?
”Most” women? I think not. No period after 6 weeks since intercourse means she’s missing her period by anywhere between 7 and 21 days (the gap between periods can be anywhere between 21 and 35 days). 14-25% of women who menstruate have irregular periods, so they might not be certain, the remaining 75-86% of women know what’s up, and should take a pregnancy test. There’s a small possibility that the woman might experience one last small flow despite being in early stages of pregnancy, which can be misleading, but I wouldn’t say “most” women are unaware that something’s going on 6 weeks down the line. The opposite is true - most women would have cause for concern.
But how quickly do you think you can get an abortion?
"Oh, sorry. While you noticed just in time, we can't fit you in for a week".
https://www.self.com/story/realize-pregnancy
Putting a 6 week deadline would likely increase abortions (as you would have to make a decision quickly without reflection & if in doubt, take it out) and it would increase the number of pregnancy tests that women take.
Does that make you happy to enforce an arbitrary deadline?
I think it's hilarious that you have such a strong opinion on women's periods though.
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You’re moving the goal post. You said that most women are unaware that they’re pregnant at the 6 weeks mark. That’s not true. My feelings on the matter are irrelevant - they don’t affect the timeframe of pregnancy. If a woman’s period is severely late and she doesn’t take a pregnancy test despite knowing that she recently had intercourse, whose fault is it? She has all the tools at her disposal. I refuse to infantilise women - they’re not children. I expect them to make reasonable observations and judgement calls, I expect that from any grown adult.
I think it’s hilarious you think women are so stupid that they don’t know how their own reproductive organs work despite most of them having regular periods every single month since puberty. Stop infantilising women - it’s insulting.
When women are pregnant they don't refer to the developing baby as "my fetus". How would that even sound? "I'm pregnant with a fetus!", yeah, nope. Also every single pregnant women who has offered to let me feel her baby kick in her stomach has referred to the developing human as their baby or their child. This also isn't isolated to me, as most movies that feature pregnant women they always refer to the developing child as their baby. Just because the liberals want to gloss over the fact abortion kills babies doesn't mean the rest of the world shares their views.
No, this isn't what I mean. When I refer to a pregnant women's baby I am talking about their baby that is in their stomach. The developing human is their baby. There's the medical terminology, which is "fetus" and then there's what most of the world calls the developing human. I'm not confused and of course whatever you call the baby as it is indeed its own person separate from the mother.
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And you clearly have contempt for women.
So sure, pregnancy test companies and abortion providers would LOVE this. Loads more tests and abortions.
Let's do it & make it all government funded.
Women aren’t children, they’re responsible for their own health. Treating them like children is patronising and demeaning. You’re the one who has contempt for women, since you maintain they’re too stupid to realise their period is weeks late.
Somebody else’s uterus is not my concern. Nobody’s buying me my condoms - I buy them myself because I’m a responsible adult.
I'm not treating them like children, I'm treating them like humans.
You are not. Your puritanical views are out of date.
Maybe you should go out in the street and lecture women on it, that would be hilarious.
You can tell them how they are doing their periods wrong, I'm sure they'd love that.
Remember to tell them to grow up and not act like children.
Grown adults face the consequences of their actions as well as their inaction. If a woman’s period is severely late, she should take a pregnancy test - they’re inexpensive and widely available. Your emotional appeal is falling flat - you said something that was demonstrably incorrect, got flustered when corrected using simple biology, and now you’re infantilising women by pretending they’re so dumb they need us to step in when they fail to take perfectly reasonable precautions that they have unimpeded access to. I treat women as grown adults who are equal to me, you’re displaying all the tell-tale signs of bigotry of low expectations. You don’t respect women enough to trust in their own agency, and that’s sad. All this flailing is immaterial to your initial point anyway - you said most women are unaware that they might be pregnant at the 6 week mark. That cannot be correct, as it would make their period 1-3 weeks late, and most women have relatively regular periods. That’s all there is to it.
EDIT: Since you’re suggesting giving lectures, I strongly believe in sexual education being a cornerstone of reproductive health. Now, personally I believe women are fairly well-aware how a period works, but if you think lectures would help then why not. Maybe some pamphlets would work too, anything to educate. You can join me, and patronise them so more, as you have done up to this point.
You need to stop trying to slide these little edits under the radar after the fact. This will never work - you won’t catch me slipping. If you want me to answer a new query, you can make a new post.
It might not be a majority, but a significant number of women (about 1/3) reasonably don't know they're pregnant until the 6+ weeks mark. About 1/5 women find out after the 7+ weeks mark.
Many women don't have regular periods. False negative pregnancy tests also occur. Some women have increased difficulty accessing pregnancy tests that can delay getting one.
Both points have been touched upon, with percentage figures already supplied. @smf used the term “most”, which makes his statement not true.
Here’s the post where I have acknowledged your concerns, in case you missed it. “Most women” are aware that they might be pregnant at the 6 week mark, or have all the tools to enable them to find out if they are, since pregnancy tests are cheap as chips and can be found in any supermarket. I’m not even suggesting the 6-week mark myself, I’m simply correcting him since what he said is objectively wrong.
Then I hope we are in agreement that these women should have access to legal abortion.
That’s what’s being discussed in this thread. I was correcting an objectively incorrect statement. The 6-week suggestion wasn’t even mine, and I don’t necessarily consider fetal heartbeat to be relevant - the heart is a muscle. I’m more interested in brain activity, personally.
When people record television broadcasts, they still say, "I taped the game last night," but that doesn't mean they're still using VHS. People regularly use layman's terms to express themselves, even if what they're saying is not technically accurate. If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, it's a good idea to use the correct terminology, because refusing to do so after being corrected multiple times just shows that you're not being intellectually serious about making your case.
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