School in Seattle cancels Halloween parade because it has it has "historically marginalized students of color"

Xzi · Oct 20, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
I feel if we abandon the entire race concept and open up as people instead I feel racism will be dead

Corporations and wealthy oligarchs perpetuate racism as a means to keep the working class divided against each other. Makes it that much easier to keep wages suppressed and get half the electorate to fight against social programs/benefits that might help out black people and Latinos (as well as themselves). Cutting off their noses to spite their faces, so to speak. Unfortunately racism is not a generational thing, nor is it localized to any one part of the country. It's a symptom of propaganda overload, and so it isn't going away any time soon (if ever).

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Seattle's that bad?

Nah, Seattle is pretty nice, relatively speaking. Drug addiction is yet another nationwide problem that social conservatives want to pretend is restricted entirely to large cities.

Foxi4 · Oct 20, 2021

Xzi said:
Nah, Seattle is pretty nice, relatively speaking. Drug addiction is yet another nationwide problem that social conservatives want to pretend is restricted entirely to large cities.

Oh please. Seattle has literal tent cities inside of city limits - they’re numbered. There is human waste covering pavements, to the point that power washers had to be deployed. Three beaches in the Seattle area had to be closed this year due to high levels of coliform bacteria which happen to be primarily spread by human and animal feces. The heroin problem has gotten so bad that the city effectively stopped fighting it, opting to try opening safe injection sites instead. Seattle is an absolute dump, and a crowning achievement of decades of Democrat mayorship. The only good thing that ever came out of Seattle was Frasier, a 1993 sitcom.

XDel · Oct 20, 2021

I tell ya, it's those transparent people without color that ruin everything.

Xzi · Oct 20, 2021

Foxi4 said:
Oh please. Seattle has literal tent cities inside of city limits - they’re numbered.

That's capitalism baby. Rural areas export pretty much their entire homeless population to coastal cities, both East and West. Those that remain and live in trailers are just one surprise bill/expense away from becoming homeless themselves. Our lack of support for people who couldn't pay rent/mortgage during the pandemic only helped to further exacerbate the problem.

Foxi4 · Oct 20, 2021

Xzi said:
That's capitalism baby. Rural areas export pretty much their entire homeless population to coastal cities, both East and West. Those that remain and live in trailers are just one surprise bill/expense away from becoming homeless themselves. Our lack of support for people who couldn't pay rent/mortgage during the pandemic only helped to further exacerbate the problem.

The opposite seems to be true - the number of tents has been steadily decreasing over the course of COVID season, likely for a morbid reason that you can probably piece together yourself. Sorry, but you don’t get a get out of jail free card - the last time Seattle saw a Republican in power was probably also the last time it was clean. On the bright side, the blue-from-head-to-toes city council is bravely facing all the socio-economic issues it generated in the first place by doing the exact opposite of what it should. Seattle is allergic to solutions - I don’t know why people live there at all at this point. If not for all the corporate interests it would be indistinguishable from Detroit, another jewel in the Democrat crown.

the_randomizer · Oct 20, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Seattle's that bad?

Oh, indeed it is

Deleted member 546149 · Oct 20, 2021

Xzi said:
Corporations and wealthy oligarchs perpetuate racism as a means to keep the working class divided against each other. Makes it that much easier to keep wages suppressed and get half the electorate to fight against social programs/benefits that might help out black people and Latinos (as well as themselves). Cutting off their noses to spite their faces, so to speak. Unfortunately racism is not a generational thing, nor is it localized to any one part of the country. It's a symptom of propaganda overload, and so it isn't going away any time soon (if ever).

Nah, Seattle is pretty nice, relatively speaking. Drug addiction is yet another nationwide problem that social conservatives want to pretend is restricted entirely to large cities.

I don't actually believe companies segregate workers actually
Should you please show an example

Deleted member 546149 · Oct 20, 2021

the_randomizer said:
Oh, indeed it is

If you say so, I guess

Xzi · Oct 20, 2021

Foxi4 said:
Seattle is allergic to solutions - I don’t know why people live there at all at this point.

Much for the same reason people still live in any of California's large cities: tech jobs and great coffee/seafood. Having lived in Washington state for a number of years myself, admittedly I find it nicer outside of concrete jungles where there's some nature to be experienced, but the lack of sunny days is still kind of a downer. Would still take Seattle over anywhere in the Midwest any day of the week though; there you've got the same concrete jungles and nothing but a sea of dead flora outside of them.

Deleted member 546149 · Oct 20, 2021

Xzi said:
Much for the same reason people still live in any of California's large cities: tech jobs and great coffee/seafood. Having lived in Washington state for a number of years myself, admittedly I find it nicer outside of concrete jungles where there's still some nature to be experienced, but the lack of sunny days is still kind of a downer. Would still take Seattle over anywhere in the Midwest any day of the week though; there you've got the same concrete jungles and nothing but a sea of dead flora outside of them.

I've considered moving to a warmer state
Pretty cold here in my state

Xzi · Oct 20, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
I don't actually believe companies segregate workers actually
Should you please show an example

I didn't say they segregate workers, I said they perpetuate racism. They do this by playing both sides to the middle. They donate to the shittiest dog-whistling racists imaginable, the Boeberts and Trumps and Arpaios of the world, then turn around and run pro-gay ads during pride month and pro-civil rights ads during black history month. Not to mention all the lobbying they do on the state and federal level to keep a constant supply of cheap (illegal) labor coming over the border from Mexico, and the smiles it puts on executives' faces when white working class people blame immigrants for "stealing" those jobs.

Exploiting everyone and then making them all blame each other for that exploitation is the name of the game when it comes to American capitalism. If we collectively turned our anger and our focus on the the millionaire/billionaire class, there's no reason minimum wage couldn't be $20/hour with benefits included, and all other jobs couldn't get a pay raise as well. A number of Scandinavian and European countries already have that level of prosperity for all their citizens.

Deleted member 546149 · Oct 20, 2021

Xzi said:
I didn't say they segregate workers, I said they perpetuate racism. They do this by playing both sides to the middle. They donate to the shittiest dog-whistling racists imaginable, the Boeberts and Trumps and Arpaios of the world, then turn around and run pro-gay ads during pride month and pro-civil rights ads during black history month. Not to mention all the lobbying they do on the state and federal level to keep a constant supply of cheap (illegal) labor coming over the border from Mexico, and the smiles it puts on executives' faces when white working class people blame immigrants for "stealing" those jobs.

Exploiting everyone and then making them all blame each other for that exploitation is the name of the game when it comes to American capitalism. If we collectively turned our anger and our focus on the the millionaire/billionaire class, there's no reason minimum wage couldn't be $20/hour with benefits included, and all other jobs couldn't get a pay raise as well. A number of Scandinavian and European countries already have that level of prosperity for all their citizens.

Doesn't really make them racist, just make's them horrible people.

Xzi · Oct 20, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Doesn't really make them racist, just make's them horrible people.

I'm not sure what separates them in your mind, but donating to individuals and organizations that are well-known for explicit racism, and perpetuating racism are the same thing. A person who donates to the KKK can't credibly claim that they themselves aren't racist, nor can a corporation that donates to the Proud Boys/Oathkeepers/etc.

Deleted member 546149 · Oct 20, 2021

Xzi said:
I'm not sure what separates them in your mind, but donating to individuals and organizations that are well-known for explicit racism, and perpetuating racism are the same thing. A person who donates to the KKK can't credibly claim that they themselves aren't racist, nor can a corporation that donates to the Proud Boys/Oathkeepers/etc.

I thought you were referring to exploiting communities in advertising

Xzi · Oct 20, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
I thought you were referring to exploiting communities in advertising

The advertisement itself is not the main issue, it's that corporations advertise to both sides via various platforms, and donate to both political parties (one or the other in secret, sometimes both). They keep the working class divided by stoking racism, homophobia, and religious zealotry, or they invoke wedge issues like abortion. Any number of tools are available to them to keep our focus on fighting with each other over table scraps, so that we aren't focusing on the millionaire/billionaire class walking out the door with 99% of the four-course meal.

The Catboy · Oct 29, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
I'm not fully suggesting racism is solved
There are still KKK marches and white supremacy in certain places but I mean, let's be honest, how many times have you met someone that is fully racist, if your comfortable doing so please list the state

As someone who has worked in customer service jobs in the Midwest, I can tell you that racism is very much alive and well. I’ve had to deal with all kinds of openly racist people, from White Nationalists literally wearing hoodies that said “White Power around the world” to actual neo-Nazis that had Nazi tattoos all over their bodies. I’ve had to deal with transphobes that also included racial slurs in their transphobic rants about me when threatening one of my workplaces.
I am also someone who married into a Japanese family, who deal with both anti-Mexican racism and anti-Asian racism on a daily basis.
There also the literal neo-Nazis, White supremacists, and White Nationalist that I deal with online. Being openly trans also seems to bring both transphobic and racist comments to me.
I’ve seen enough in my time to say I’ve met some “fully racist” people.
That being said, this thread still very much just seems like a dog whistle intended discredit claims of racism. Articles like these are commonly thrown around with statements like

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Had to share it to spread awareness that people still consider everything racist

Comments like these and overblowing small local issues is how larger issues get erased.

Arecaidian Fox · Oct 29, 2021

Firstly and on topic, the school cancelling this parade seems like an overreaction.
Second...

the_randomizer said:
Oh, indeed it is

Not really. It's no worse than any other big city of its size. This entire argument about this or that Red or Blue city is more or less awful than a counterpart is in itself a very crap argument. Nothing gets done because the real issues aren't addressed. Most everywhere has these problems on some scale and isn't a Left or Right thing, it's an America thing.

Deleted member 546149 · Oct 29, 2021

The Catboy said:
As someone who has worked in customer service jobs in the Midwest, I can tell you that racism is very much alive and well. I’ve had to deal with all kinds of openly racist people, from White Nationalists literally wearing hoodies that said “White Power around the world” to actual neo-Nazis that had Nazi tattoos all over their bodies. I’ve had to deal with transphobes that also included racial slurs in their transphobic rants about me when threatening one of my workplaces.
I am also someone who married into a Japanese family, who deal with both anti-Mexican racism and anti-Asian racism on a daily basis.
There also the literal neo-Nazis, White supremacists, and White Nationalist that I deal with online. Being openly trans also seems to bring both transphobic and racist comments to me.
I’ve seen enough in my time to say I’ve met some “fully racist” people.
That being said, this thread still very much just seems like a dog whistle intended discredit claims of racism. Articles like these are commonly thrown around with statements like
Comments like these and overblowing small local issues is how larger issues get erased.

I'll admit it, some places are still racist.
Usually younger Americans are less racist.
It's just the older people seem to believe what has been that way
Also I know its unrelated but if people are racist online, they probably troll
I still believe if the world can see how overreactive one decision is it's gonna show we're not doing better but worse.
If anyone is actually harrasing you of race just try to ignore it, it's much better that way
I don't believe race is actually real
It's just a symbol
There is no such thing as a white or black person
If we just realize that, maybe we won't have anymore racism

Transphobia is still somewhat of a sticky problem which I can't comment on because I don't have any experince myself.

subcon959 · Oct 30, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
If anyone is actually harrasing you of race just try to ignore it, it's much better that way

Fuck no. Not addressing it is absolutely the worst thing to do (unless you are in immediate physical danger and don't have the linguistic skills to diffuse it), but if it's online then there's no reason not to address it.

ClownPrinceOfCrime · Oct 30, 2021

So the school was outraged for the parents in anticipation of parents being outraged but no parents were outraged so they went ahead with the plans to counter the outrage anyway.

Wait...what?

School in Seattle cancels Halloween parade because it has it has "historically marginalized students of color"

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