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You're not very good at this, are you?
It's your freedom to deny to the vaccine, just like it's everyone else's freedom to fire your at will for not getting vaccinated, to treat you differently because of it, so on and so forth. Your freedom to unvaccinate does not supercede everyone else's freedoms, and to complain only about your freedom and not the collective is entirely selfish and hypocritical.
The fact is, mandates have been around for over 100 years, and the only reason why it's an issue now is because science has become politicized
smf, i named you earlier because you are the shining example of how not to think, fascist authoritarian, take some personal responsibility, if you listen to some chump on the internet and something bad happens YOU are the one at fault not the chump.
i've never advocated anyone get or not get the vaccine, I believe that's a personal choice that should not be forced on the masses, only suggested/encouraged. Liberty is a great gift and if we throw it away without regard we are doomed to be mistreated in the future.
syphenfreht cause you say i'm not good doesn't mean thats true. people can look at your arguments and judge for themselves who is good at what. Your "Freedom" to bully and shame people is not analogous to peoples right to not be injected with new/experimental medications, you don't understand "freedom" very well.
you think things being "mandated" started 100 years ago? you think because something has been done before or for a while means its good or ok or beyond question?
i've never advocated anyone get or not get the vaccine, I believe that's a personal choice that should not be forced on the masses, only suggested/encouraged. Liberty is a great gift and if we throw it away without regard we are doomed to be mistreated in the future.
syphenfreht cause you say i'm not good doesn't mean thats true. people can look at your arguments and judge for themselves who is good at what. Your "Freedom" to bully and shame people is not analogous to peoples right to not be injected with new/experimental medications, you don't understand "freedom" very well.
you think things being "mandated" started 100 years ago? you think because something has been done before or for a while means its good or ok or beyond question?
the issue is Most people never complained about public safety mandates, They never thought about it. seat belts school vaccines, traffic laws .. ... but the it seems with the Rise of a political loss arose spitefulness. Which is why most people are fuzzing about it. I didnt hear anything when most high school requested Hep c vaccines in early 2000s.. but Trump loses and now the vaccines is CCP!
AND YES this is a PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE not a VACCINE ISSUE...
as 676k dead Americans. and 4.5mill worldwide.... its Public Safety and it overrides your made-up individual freedom in ....now this is the IMPORTANT PART.... PUBLIC AREAS...
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The risks and benefits of getting vaccinated vs not getting vaccinated have been crushed by people far smarter than us and the data is very clearly pro-vaccine. This is the same that happened with the various laws that make it illegal to operate a car while drunk. It's not the drunk individual's choice alone when they operate a car while drunk, their behavior directly endangers everyone else on the road due to the altered mental state and resulting slower reaction times plus worse motor skills. If you compare the vaccine to wearing a seatbelt you're missing the part where wearing a seatbelt only (directly) hurts the wearer, but the burden on the tax payer is still severe enough that fining people for not wearing one is just. In a perfect world those fines will off-set their hospital bills enough that the people that drive safe won't be affected unduly with higher tax or insurance burdens.
This all also circles back to the Freedom the government ensures to everyone. People with a license and a car have the freedom to use the roads the government built and do so without having to constantly look out for people swerving their cars around wildly. If you respect not just your own freedom but the freedom of other people the only logical conclusion is that you ensure you don't make the roads unsafe for others, meaning you drive by the laws. By ensuring you and everyone else follow the same driving laws the roads remain safe and are more easily and efficiently to use by everyone. In the same vein if you actually value other people's freedom to go about their life without fear of getting infected for no good reason by a disease that has a save vaccine you will get that vaccine so everyone can enjoy their own freedom how they see fit. If you instead believe society should just accept the potential threat in the form of unvaccinated individuals, and the resulting tax and insurance burdens as those individuals get more sick than the others, you are not for freedom for everyone, you're just for selfishness.
Also, the government wants as many people as possible vaccinated because it's literally basically free compared to the cost of hospitalizations. We're talking somewhere in the range of every dollar spent on vaccines saves a couple hundred in hospitalization and related care fees. If the vaccine wouldn't work they would not spend multiple hundreds of millions on it to get it to people.
I didn't specifically say you were or weren't good, I asked a question. If you infer otherwise, you are responsible for how you take it.
You call out smf and call him a fascist authoritarian, despite vaccinations being mandated in a capitalist democracy, and then complain about bullying? That comes across as hypocritical.
Bringing me to my next point, I never bullied or shamed you. Just because we disagree and I point out hypocrisy and fallacies with your statement doesn't mean I'm bullying you. You're victimizing yourself because you've run out of valid argument.
Just because it's always been done doesn't mean it's right, but when before have we had country wide issues with vaccinations that far outweigh the benefits of getting vaccine? At what point in history has the populace been misled in terms of vaccine mandates? What difference is there between this mandate and the dozens of others we've had?
You can't come in here, post bogus opinions, backpedal and attack when you get called out, and then complain of being bullied. That's a sure fire way to stray from a civil conversation.
Funny because I'm pretty sure I answered that bullshit about bullying or enforcing like twice already.
Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. But if people don't want to get the vaccine or to follow the rules, they have to accept that other people will not want them in their lives. How is that any kind of bullying or enforcement???
Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. But if people don't want to get the vaccine or to follow the rules, they have to accept that other people will not want them in their lives. How is that any kind of bullying or enforcement???
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HO2cW6ueCjYF/
For those who love abortions and vaccines, all in one! That's just a joke, the video explains it in much better detail and depth.
More fantastic vaccine news from actual doctors to boot!
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't get the vaccine, it's one's choice, but at least get all the facts and don't deliberately ignore the facts you don't agree with. Also, having sources is important for talking about almost anything, as most sources are in the descriptions of the vids I share so it's easy access, but considering this is a computer forum and I assume most people spend a lot of time online all day, why can't one do research and find out some of this stuff themselves? You literally have the most powerful tool to find out almost anything you want yet you complain you don't have enough information or sources when you can easily look up most things yourselves. And look at both sides, not just the stuff you agree with. Again, not saying one shouldn't show sources, but with the power of the internet at your fingertips, what's the other person's excuse other than laziness? But that's just how I see it. Even if some see it as "trolling", even though it isn't. And for whatever reason people don't want to listen to doctors unless it's their lord and savior Dr. Fauci when others have just as much or more experience than him anyways, but still complain about unfounded sources when some people themselves are qualified doctors. What makes him better than other doctors? Just because the media and politicians says Fauci is?
But I digress, get the vaccine or not, just be careful and now what you're doing and be sure it's what you what to do, and not what others bullies you or threatens you into doing. Don't like my freedom of choice? Then allow me to spread my asscheeks so you may kiss it lol
For those who love abortions and vaccines, all in one! That's just a joke, the video explains it in much better detail and depth.
More fantastic vaccine news from actual doctors to boot!
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't get the vaccine, it's one's choice, but at least get all the facts and don't deliberately ignore the facts you don't agree with. Also, having sources is important for talking about almost anything, as most sources are in the descriptions of the vids I share so it's easy access, but considering this is a computer forum and I assume most people spend a lot of time online all day, why can't one do research and find out some of this stuff themselves? You literally have the most powerful tool to find out almost anything you want yet you complain you don't have enough information or sources when you can easily look up most things yourselves. And look at both sides, not just the stuff you agree with. Again, not saying one shouldn't show sources, but with the power of the internet at your fingertips, what's the other person's excuse other than laziness? But that's just how I see it. Even if some see it as "trolling", even though it isn't. And for whatever reason people don't want to listen to doctors unless it's their lord and savior Dr. Fauci when others have just as much or more experience than him anyways, but still complain about unfounded sources when some people themselves are qualified doctors. What makes him better than other doctors? Just because the media and politicians says Fauci is?
But I digress, get the vaccine or not, just be careful and now what you're doing and be sure it's what you what to do, and not what others bullies you or threatens you into doing. Don't like my freedom of choice? Then allow me to spread my asscheeks so you may kiss it lol
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FFS, you post a video without source links from a youtuber with a HUGE partisan bias, then ask others to look up "both sides" information and sling insults at major media outlets while pretending to not be a troll? Fun fact, comrade, on this particular subject one side is right and your side is un-sourced nonsense coupled with discredited youtube videos. My freedom of speech is for telling folks not familiar with you that your content has gotten you tempbanned in the past, and we're all waiting for you to get that final trip to perm town at this rate. Please learn to play better or don't be surprised when nobody mourns your final absence.
Did you just tell people to read the sources without actually reading the sources yourself? The paper cited for the first video says the findings are preliminary but reassuring. Many woman experience spontaneous abortions while being perfectly healthy and the rate cited in the study appears to be within error of that. The successful pregnancies also have a perfectly normal spread of other minor issues with the newborn babies just like they were prior to the vaccine.
In fact, current studies suggest that one in four know pregnancies ends prematurely in a natural abortion, completely unexpected and without warning signs. Meaning the study is even more positive by only having a reported one in eight chance.
As for the second video, other countries report it properly and have roughly the same incidence as the US for myocarditis, are those places also all lying to make the US look bad?
"Oh look, this completely unrelated issue has the exact same occurrence rate within vaccinated and unvaccinated populations! Quick, make it a Flash News to warn people that the vaccine doesn't work and is dangerous because it happens in unvaccinated people as well!"
— Fake news spreading peeps, 2021
— Fake news spreading peeps, 2021
Firstly, when you provide videos and whatnot stressing your stance, the burden of proof relies on you, the same way it is for everyone else when they also present their own personal views. Just because you imply tongue in cheek compliments does not mean you get a free pass on backing up your claims.
Secondly, most people who argue for the vaccine have done their research from both sides. Pro vaccine data is more abundant and less subjective than anti vaccine data by a lot. Considering most anti vaccine data is based off a small number of unique, individual cases which exist to prove the rule or complete bullshit, anti vaxxers don't have much of leg to stand on.
Finally, your video would be better if it didn't cut off interview responses and replay the same clip over and over again.
Jesus, why do I get the feeling if there was undeniable proof that if the vaccine had hydrochloride acid and rat poison mixed in people will still inject it into their bodies anyway because they've been told to?
I dunno, try finding some proof and then providing evidence and see what happens! It'll be a change of pace for everyone, if nothing else!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/G4XAcCOrqAuD/
I suppose this answers my question from earlier.
More interesting coof news!
I suppose this answers my question from earlier.
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