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What me and @jimbo13 are trying to Convey is that its unAmerican to stop using Outdate/Obsolete Technologies (Fossil Fuels/ Analog TV/ Horse and Buggy) and try to replaced it with better working/ Advance Technologies (renewable /Digital/ CARS). The Moment I stop using my Oil Lantern is the moment CCP WINS!
 
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There's the wall, progress satisfactory, promise kept.

Ah you're completely right. And it's doing such a satisfactory job of keeping the illegal Mexicans out. In reference to the left spending money where it shouldn't be allocated, wouldn't it have made better sense to continuously fund properly trained border patrol with paid training and steady jobs alongside creating more opportunities to fix our already broken immigration system as opposed to wasting money and time on building a poorly maintained wall that erased jobs as soon as it was "finished"?


I expect him to be advancing a retraining program and associated job bills as quickly as he is eliminating energy sector jobs which he began doing by executive order the first day in office.
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Well at that point, why bother having political systems in place to discourage and prevent dictatorship at all? You ever think that maybe it's the opposing party that holds up a lot of these proceedings? I mean, it took Trump four years to build a half finished wall and you praise him for keeping his word, but expect Biden to create enough new eco friendly jobs in an eight month period, despite confrontation from some of the industries this country was founded upon, such as coal, lumber, steel, and so on? I mean, I lean Democrat most of the time, but if Biden can barely make it up the stairs, I don't have much hope for him keeping up with your schedule.

You had 3 points,
...of which you responded to two.

Hillary, Wall, Can't make jobs out of thin air then then proceeded to fill an entire page with "I think I remember jk jk" get to the fucking point next time.
I mean, I'm pretty sure I got the point pretty quickly. That's why I quoted text rather than write a long winded block post. I'm really bothered you didn't pick up on that; you seem so smart.

You set a record for saying the least with typing the most. Your not that funny, neither are most people laughing at their own comments.
No, you definitely got me beat on that. I might not be that funny, but I also don't need picture memes to reinforce what humor I think I have. Nice try though.
 
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What me and @jimbo13 are trying to Convey is that its unAmerican to stop using Outdate/Obsolete Technologies (Fossil Fuels/ Analog TV/ Horse and Buggy) and try to replaced it with better working/ Advance Technologies (renewable /Digital/ CARS). The Moment I stop using my Oil Lantern is the moment CCP WINS!

I'm afraid you lost long ago, comrade. The commies have been laughing at your outright stupidity for quite some time. Thanks for clarifying what the fluff your inane rant was about, though!

Sure, laws are often made in order to tackle a specific problem in a specific demographic. For instance, Biden's crime bill specifically targeted the crack cocaine epidemic and had provisions for harsher sentences for users of crack cocaine as opposed to powdered cocaine which was more of an upper class drug. This led to more arrests/longer jail time for black offenders since crack was more prevalent in "the hood". Do you know who requested that measure specifically? Black community leaders trying to tackle the crackhead epidemic in their neighbourhoods. Is that racist, or is that a measure against crack use? *Most* laws that concern violent crime and drugs "disproportionately" affect people of colour - is that racist, or do POC neighbourhoods have a crime problem? You can draw references from the 80's and 90's all you want - it's 2021. I'm not interested in law 40-30 years ago, I asked about here and now, and here and now you can't come up with one thing holding people back besides poor life choices.

Wow... poor life choices? Seriously? White male privilege showing much? Or perhaps you're colourblind behind all the pettifogging you're doing. I love how you on one hand rant about how you "Aren't interested in the law 40-30 years ago." yet you all too quickly bring up the black politicians of the day being slightly in favor of the crime bill, ignoring the fact that it passed with a huge consensus from the white male legislation and ignored the vast majority of particular requests being made. Much like Bernie Sanders' dismay over having to vote on it in order to pass any of the positive things on the agenda it could carry with it, people were desperate to see anything get done to help mitigate the problem ASAP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/opinion/did-blacks-really-endorse-the-1994-crime-bill.html
https://www.axios.com/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-cnn-cc7320c5-719c-4756-b243-48152ebf3e64.html

That being said, history leads to the present, and the HUGE wealth inequality in the USA makes for a much better marker for how well one can manage to maintain or improve their lifestyle. The class in which you were born is likely the class you will die in, regardless of talent or hard work, and since wealth is a huge factor that pools more and more every year at the top, the middle and lower class gets less and less to work with every year. This doesn't even factor in the difficulties minorities have to deal with from the wealthy, since for some reason, folks who enjoy the status quo don't seem to be able to empathize with those that don't look like them.

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/24/9027195/haskins-sawhill-norms-marriage
https://www.commondreams.org/views/...erty-and-racism-are-killing-americas-children
 
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Wow... poor life choices? Seriously? White male privilege showing much?
Smoking crack is, objectively, a poor life choice.
Or perhaps you're colourblind behind all the pettifogging you're doing.
Crack will wreck you regardless of whether you're white, black, brown or magenta.
I love how you on one hand rant about how you "Aren't interested in the law 40-30 years ago." yet you all too quickly bring up the black politicians of the day being slightly in favor of the crime bill, ignoring the fact that it passed with a huge consensus from the white male legislation and ignored the vast majority of particular requests being made.
What you meant to say was overwhelming support of black politicians 25 years ago. 25 years ago half of our user base wasn't even a twinkle in their papa's eye, but let's pretend that's modern. The sentencing disparity you saw in the 90's was overwhelmingly caused by the 1994 crime bill which, in turn, was constructed in association with black mayors all across the country.
Much like Bernie Sanders' dismay over having to vote on it in order to pass any of the positive things on the agenda it could carry with it, people were desperate to see anything get done to help mitigate the problem ASAP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/opinion/did-blacks-really-endorse-the-1994-crime-bill.html
https://www.axios.com/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-1994-crime-bill-cnn-cc7320c5-719c-4756-b243-48152ebf3e64.html
Those are some very nice opinions. The facts, on the other hand, show overwhelming support for the bill - it passed through the Senate with *one* Nay.
That being said, history leads to the present, and the HUGE wealth inequality in the USA makes for a much better marker for how well one can manage to maintain or improve their lifestyle. The class in which you were born is likely the class you will die in, regardless of talent or hard work, and since wealth is a huge factor that pools more and more every year at the top, the middle and lower class gets less and less to work with every year. This doesn't even factor in the difficulties minorities have to deal with from the wealthy, since for some reason, folks who enjoy the status quo don't seem to be able to empathize with those that don't look like them.

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/24/9027195/haskins-sawhill-norms-marriage
https://www.commondreams.org/views/...erty-and-racism-are-killing-americas-children
And that has to do with discrimination based on race in the law how? The law is equally binding for the wealthy and the poor. I fully understand that you'd prefer to apply law differently depending on the pyramid of victimhood, along the lines of "intersectional" policies, and pretend that this "equitable" approach is fair, but it's not - it de facto creates people who are equal and people who are equal-er in the eyes of the justice system.

I said it once, I will say it again. Name one provision in common law that applies differently to people based on their skin tone, and *explicitly so*, so that this argument doesn't take forever. It should be a simple task. You made a bold claim, now provide a citation.
 
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Ah you're completely right. And it's doing such a satisfactory job of keeping the illegal Mexicans out. In reference to the left spending money where it shouldn't be allocated, wouldn't it have made better sense to continuously fund properly trained border patrol with paid training and steady jobs alongside creating more opportunities to fix our already broken immigration system as opposed to wasting money and time on building a poorly maintained wall that erased jobs as soon as it was "finished"?



Well at that point, why bother having political systems in place to discourage and prevent dictatorship at all? You ever think that maybe it's the opposing party that holds up a lot of these proceedings? I mean, it took Trump four years to build a half finished wall and you praise him for keeping his word, but expect Biden to create enough new eco friendly jobs in an eight month period, despite confrontation from some of the industries this country was founded upon, such as coal, lumber, steel, and so on? I mean, I lean Democrat most of the time, but if Biden can barely make it up the stairs, I don't have much hope for him keeping up with your schedule.


...of which you responded to two.


I mean, I'm pretty sure I got the point pretty quickly. That's why I quoted text rather than write a long winded block post. I'm really bothered you didn't pick up on that; you seem so smart.


No, you definitely got me beat on that. I might not be that funny, but I also don't need picture memes to reinforce what humor I think I have. Nice try though.

TLTR. You sat two records today, typing the most without saying anything and a speed record for my ignore. That normally takes a few weeks of insults.

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TLTR. You sat two records today, typing the most without saying anything and a speed record for my ignore. That normally takes a few weeks of insults.

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Welcome to the cool kids club, Syphen!

Smoking crack is, objectively, a poor life choice.
Crack will wreck you regardless of whether you're white, black, brown or magenta.
What you meant to say was overwhelming support of black politicians 25 years ago. 25 years ago half of our user base wasn't even a twinkle in their papa's eye, but let's pretend that's modern. The sentencing disparity you saw in the 90's was overwhelmingly caused by the 1994 crime bill which, in turn, was constructed in association with black mayors all across the country.
Those are some very nice opinions. The facts, on the other hand, show overwhelming support for the bill - it passed through the Senate with *one* Nay.
And that has to do with discrimination based on race in the law how? The law is equally binding for the wealthy and the poor. I fully understand that you'd prefer to apply law differently depending on the pyramid of victimhood, along the lines of "intersectional" policies, and pretend that this "equitable" approach is fair, but it's not - it de facto creates people who are equal and people who are equal-er in the eyes of the justice system.

I said it once, I will say it again. Name one provision in common law that applies differently to people based on their skin tone, and *explicitly so*, so that this argument doesn't take forever. It should be a simple task. You made a bold claim, now provide a citation.

History is not in a vacuum removed from the present, dear sir. Also, crack doesn't make up for all the injustices of the present day. I'm glad you've apparently never experienced a hard time, but I promise there isn't enough powder on the planet to justify the amount of bias in the law and in the mobility of class based on purely hard work and talent. Honestly, the way you cling to one angle on this and try to act colourblind kinda makes you seem like less of a human being and more of a manipulative monster. You seem to want to ignore a whole field of data to uphold your belief, so I'm pretty sure nothing I say or cite is going to move you from your gnarled post, and I doubt you checked the last few links I offered, so... someone else can play the good enough game for you. Have some ACLU and enjoy your bubble.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
 

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Smoking crack is, objectively, a poor life choice.
Crack will wreck you regardless of whether you're white, black, brown or magenta.
What you meant to say was overwhelming support of black politicians 25 years ago. 25 years ago half of our user base wasn't even a twinkle in their papa's eye, but let's pretend that's modern. The sentencing disparity you saw in the 90's was overwhelmingly caused by the 1994 crime bill which, in turn, was constructed in association with black mayors all across the country.
Those are some very nice opinions. The facts, on the other hand, show overwhelming support for the bill - it passed through the Senate with *one* Nay.
And that has to do with discrimination based on race in the law how? The law is equally binding for the wealthy and the poor. I fully understand that you'd prefer to apply law differently depending on the pyramid of victimhood, along the lines of "intersectional" policies, and pretend that this "equitable" approach is fair, but it's not - it de facto creates people who are equal and people who are equal-er in the eyes of the justice system.

I said it once, I will say it again. Name one provision in common law that applies differently to people based on their skin tone, and *explicitly so*, so that this argument doesn't take forever. It should be a simple task. You made a bold claim, now provide a citation.
you know what? why the hell are you even a global mod if your talking like this? I stayed quiet LONG ENOUGH about your behavior sorry but I'm going to talk to @Costello about this it worries me
 
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you know what? why the hell are you even a global mod if your talking like this? I stayed quiet LONG ENOUGH about your behavior sorry but I'm going to talk to @Costello about this it worries me

Someone having a panic attack and triggered because someone asked a basic question of fact. I bet they use the word "problematic" at least 4 times a day.
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History is not in a vacuum removed from the present, dear sir. Also, crack doesn't make up for all the injustices of the present day. I'm glad you've apparently never experienced a hard time, but I promise there isn't enough powder on the planet to justify the amount of bias in the law and in the mobility of class based on purely hard work and talent. Honestly, the way you cling to one angle on this and try to act colourblind kinda makes you seem like less of a human being and more of a manipulative monster. You seem to want to ignore a whole field of data to uphold your belief, so I'm pretty sure nothing I say or cite is going to move you from your gnarled post, and I doubt you checked the last few links I offered, so... someone else can play the good enough game for you. Have some ACLU and enjoy your bubble.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
Ah yes, the ACLU - a private entity that has strayed so far off the beaten path that it no longer represents its original goals. Not according to me, mind - according to former associates. The same ACLU that used to defend the right to free speech for Nazis and the KKK is now more interested in branding people than it is about defending rights - they've lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned. I did not deny past injustices at any point in this exchanged - I've asked you, thrice now, if you can point out a law that explicitly discriminates against minorities because they're minorities. You cannot, because no such law exists since Jim Crow. As such, I consider the exchange over and done with.

I would also appreciate it if you stopped calling me "comrade". We're not "comrades", "comrades" and my people have a history, and it's not fondly remembered.
you know what? why the hell are you even a global mod if your talking like this? I stayed quiet LONG ENOUGH about your behavior sorry but I'm going to talk to @Costello about this it worries me
Oh no, please don't tell on me! What if my... publicly posted... opinion... is visible to... the public? Alright.
 
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you know what? why the hell are you even a global mod if your talking like this? I stayed quiet LONG ENOUGH about your behavior sorry but I'm going to talk to @Costello about this it worries me
sorry that you are taking the piss my friend but I'm not sure what is wrong with Foxi's post?
I mean you may find his opinion outrageous but if you look closely he didn't insult you, he doesn't violate any rules. As crazy as his opinions may sound to you, to me, and to a lot of people here, his messages are within the boundaries of the forum rules and general decency.

also please note I do not share Foxi's opinions in any way and we have had in fact many fights over this. But I (almost :wink: ) fully respect his right to have a different opinion than mine.
 

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I did not deny past injustices at any point in this exchanged - I've asked you, thrice now, if you can point out a law that explicitly discriminates against minorities because they're minorities. You cannot, because no such law exists since Jim Crow.
The new method of discrimination targets people based on location, and because previous housing discrimination accomplished its goal throughout the decades, it's still very easy to pinpoint minority neighborhoods. Neither the Southern Strategy nor Jim Crow laws ever really went away, they just changed form slightly.
 

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The new method of discrimination targets people based on location, and because previous housing discrimination accomplished its goal throughout the decades, it's still very easy to pinpoint minority neighborhoods. Neither the Southern Strategy nor Jim Crow laws ever really went away, they just changed form slightly.
People of colour in America are constantly bombarded with messaging that the consequences of their actions are not their own - somebody else is always at fault. Somebody else made them flunk school, somebody else made them break the law, somebody else, on purpose, made the bus late and they missed an interview, somebody else made them leave a pregnant significant other, or peddled them drugs. There's a boogieboo in the air that inhibits them, it's not them that need to self-improve and stick to the straight and narrow - it's the road that needs to be torn up. Absolutely not - we are all equal, regardless of skin colour. People of colour are on every level of government and public life - they're lawyers, they're police officers, they're doctors, they're mayors, they're in Congress - a PoC woman can be Vice President, a black man can be President, the most powerful man in the world. If you want to correct the sins of the forefathers, do it from within by being a paragon of society, not by blaming the specter of invisible racism that you cannot quantify. The former is a path to success, the latter a path of self-doubt, lack of accountability and defeat. You are robbing people of agency by removing personal responsibility from the equation. You are telling them, repeatedly, that no matter how hard they try, they will never perform as well as their white peers because they're brown. That's patently false.
 
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People of colour in America are constantly bombarded with messaging that the consequences of their actions are not their own - somebody else is always at fault.
Uhh...no. Acknowledging that past discrimination was real, codified into law, and that the consequences of it still linger today is not the same thing as passing the buck where personal responsibility is concerned. If you really want people to "just get over it," then some form of restitution is required for the affected families and individuals. Jim Crow and housing discrimination are not ancient history, most of those affected by these things are still alive today.

You are robbing people of agency by removing personal responsibility from the equation.
People who choose to play the victim do so of their own accord, but this is an entirely separate issue. Obviously you don't have to be black or a minority for that, as modern conservative media is filled with lists of all the ways that straight white Christians are supposedly being oppressed and persecuted.
 
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It's not discrimination to move when you don't like a cultural influx, not everyone has a multiculturalism fetish.

I've got an Indian reservation to my right, and a Hutterite colony to the left. They don't mingle with anyone and it's no problem. If someone wants to separate from you or your culture they aren't wrong by default. Maybe your the problem.
 
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It's not discrimination to move when you don't like a cultural influx, not everyone has a multiculturalism fetish.
That's the opposite of how housing discrimination worked: black people simply weren't permitted to apply for mortgages in certain neighborhoods, and the deeds to a number of houses stated definitively that they were not to be occupied by non-whites. Do some more research on redlining and the GI bill.

I've got an Indian reservation to my right, and a Hutterite colony to the left. They don't mingle with anyone and it's no problem.
Ah yes, "separate but equal." That's never been known to cause any problems whatsoever. /s
 
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Uhh...no. Acknowledging that past discrimination was real, codified into law, and that the consequences of it still linger today is not the same thing as passing the buck where personal responsibility is concerned. If you really want people to "just get over it," then some form of restitution is required for the affected families and individuals. Jim Crow and housing discrimination are not ancient history, most of those affected by these things are still alive today.


People who choose to play the victim do so of their own accord, but this is an entirely separate issue. Obviously you don't have to be black or a minority for that, as modern conservative media is filled with lists of all the ways that straight white Christians are supposedly being oppressed and persecuted.
This has nothing to do with the initial argument.
 

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I wasn't part of the initial argument. I only interjected to point out that systemic discrimination is still alive and well, even if the methodology and/or language surrounding it has changed to better exploit modern legal loopholes.
It's one or the other - either it exists in the present and you can point out precise laws that discriminate based on race *or* it has existed in the past and the consequences are felt today, causing some to be in the position of playing catch-up. Decide which point you're arguing, because so far your response is a strawman. Nobody has ever said that no discrimination against black people has taken place over the centuries - the whole conversation is about common law at present. You pointing out past injustices is not a "W", it's changing the subject.
 

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Nobody has ever said that no discrimination against black people has taken place over the centuries - the whole conversation is about common law at present. You pointing out past injustices is not a "W", it's changing the subject.
As I already said, discrimination based on where you live is the new discrimination based on race. The most obvious examples of this are gentrification and Republican-drafted election laws that specifically target urban and inner-city areas.
 

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As I already said, discrimination based on where you live is the new discrimination based on race. The most obvious examples of this are gentrification and Republican-drafted election laws that specifically target urban and inner-city areas.
Ah, I see. So still no, then. I'll take that and agree to disagree, considering this has gone long enough and has nothing to do with the thread. Diversions are nice every now and then, but this one is getting circular.
 

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