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g00s3y · Aug 2, 2021

"I'm just mad that the female character, who has aged, looks like she has aged... but not in the way I think a woman should"

D34DL1N3R · Aug 2, 2021

g00s3y said:
"I'm just mad that the female character, who has aged, looks like she has aged... but not in the way I think a woman should"

Please tell us exactly how much she has aged. How much time has passed in the games universe between this and the first game?

SaulFemm · Aug 2, 2021

Most people are not complaining about her visual changes because "o no shes not hot anymore!1!", they're complaining because it's jarring. She looks like she got stung by a bee and had an allergic reaction. And then paid someone to surgically replace her teeth with the teeth of Syndrome from The Incredibles.

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g00s3y said:
"I'm just mad that the female character, who has aged, looks like she has aged... but not in the way I think a woman should"

She doesn't look like she aged, she looks like she needs an epipen because she's going into anaphylactic shock.

D34DL1N3R · Aug 2, 2021

MikaDubbz said:
That's just weird to me it's my biggest gripe with the remaster. Can you imagine if we were cool with that in movies? Actor didn't pull off the character well enough? Let's just digitally replace him with another actor for the George Lucas style special edition.

At least no actual person was done such an injustice since it's all video game graphics in the Spider-Man game and the voice actor wasn't replaced, but all the same it just feels so unnecessary and needlessly splinters the playerbase over nonsense.

I wouldn't mind if the Spider-Man remaster still gave us the option to use the original Peter and we could toggle between our personal preference, but forcing such a change on the player is kinda lame in my opinion.

1) Actors HAVE been replaced in movies and in tv series.

2) It wasn't just a pointless change. It was done to better match the voice actor, so your previous "the voice no longer felt like it even belonged to the new body it was coming out of" comment can be discarded.

The original model was horrendous looking. Especially that hair, dumb look on his face, and bad lip-syncing.

g00s3y · Aug 2, 2021

"why isn't she as thin as she was before, this is UNACCEPTABLE"

Say the 400+ lb guys who struggle getting up from the couch to go to the fridge and get their 5th mountain dew before noon.

MikaDubbz · Aug 2, 2021

D34DL1N3R said:
1) Actors HAVE been replaced in movies and in tv series.

2) It wasn't just a pointless change. It was done to better match the voice actor, so your previous "the voice no longer felt like it even belonged to the new body it was coming out of" comment can be discarded. The original model was horrendous looking. Especially that hair, dumb look on his face, and bad lip-syncing.

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1. Not in THAT way. I'm talking a film releases in theaters. Then 5 years later the film is rereleased with an actor digitally cut out and a new one put in it's place. That's the kind of actor (model) replacement we're talking here, and as far as I'm aware this has not yet happened.

2. It's ultimately an uneeded change, that needlessly had the playbase choosing sides, like we're doing here. Seems like a real dumb thing to cause a minor controversy over. You actually like the new model, that's cool, I fucking hate it, think it looks awful and doesn't fit the voice (and yes I'm well aware the change was done to make the model more resemble the voice actor, all the same his own voice seemed much more convincing out of a model that wasn't his own, how sad is that lol). Again, just let the player have the option to choose which model they'd prefer. Why not let me just have an option for "Old Peter On/Off" then we could all be happy and not have to debate over which model was better.

g00s3y said:
"why isn't she as thin as she was before, this is UNACCEPTABLE"

Say the 400+ lb guys who struggle getting up from the couch to go to the fridge and get their 5th mountain dew before noon.

Once again, someone who hasn't even been reading the complaints thinks this issue is about looks. Like is anyone seriously jacking off to the protagonist of Horizon Zero Dawn? Pretty sad choice of wank material if you are.

No, again, the issue that most of us have is that it's just inconsistent. If she was chubby from the start, I'd have no problem with the move whatsoever, but no, this new game takes place 6 months after the last game, and somehow she's put on years of weight in her jowls in that amount of time, and this is after a game where she's running jumping, tumbling, nonstop, I find it hard to accept she somehow gained that kind of weight gain in that small amount of time.

D34DL1N3R · Aug 2, 2021

MikaDubbz said:
1. Not in THAT way. I'm talking a film releases in theaters. Then 5 years later the film is rereleased with an actor digitally cut out and a new one put in it's place. That's the kind of actor (model) replacement we're talking here, and as far as I'm aware this has not yet happened.

An actor was digitally replaced in the recent Army of the Dead.

Again, just let the player have the option to choose which model they'd prefer. Why not let me just have an option for "Old Peter On/Off" then we could all be happy and not have to debate over which model was better.

Do you act the same way when a movie is remade or music is remastered and it's not to your liking/standards? Like every copy of the original version in the world has been destroyed and is no longer available for you to enjoy?

MikaDubbz · Aug 2, 2021

D34DL1N3R said:
An actor was digitally replaced in the recent Army of the Dead.

Still doesn't work for the example, because the version with the original actor wasn't released to theaters to only then later have a new version with another actor. As I recall that actor got in some hot water, so they replaced them before the film was released. What happens behind closed doors prior to release is a bit different than giving us a piece of art, and then later rereleasing that art and saying that someone in it wasn't right and they've been replaced, forget that version you think you know, that actor just isn't there anymore.

D34DL1N3R said:
Do you act the same way when a movie is remade or music is remastered and it's not to your liking/standards? Like every copy of the original version in the world has been destroyed and is no longer available for you to enjoy?

Remakes are not the same as a remaster. Remake Spider-Man or James Bond all you like with different actors, I have zero problem with that, because that's a different take on that character and story. But if suddenly the new MCU Spider-Man films were rereleased with Andrew Garfield in Tom's role for absolutely no good reason beyond some executive thinking that he just seemed like he fit in that position better, then you better believe I'd have an issue with that.

D34DL1N3R · Aug 2, 2021

MikaDubbz said:
Still doesn't work for the example, because the version with the original actor wasn't released to theaters to only then later have a new version with another actor. As I recall that actor got in some hot water, so they replaced them before the film was released. What happens behind closed doors prior to release is a bit different than giving us a piece of art, and then later rereleasing that art and saying that someone in it wasn't right and they've been replaced, forget that version you think you know, that actor just isn't there anymore.

Remakes are not the same as a remaster. Remake Spider-Man or James Bond all you like with different actors, I have zero problem with that, because that's a different take on that character and story. But if suddenly the new MCU Spider-Man films were rereleased with Andrew Garfield in Tom's role for absolutely no good reason beyond some executive thinking that he just seemed like he fit in that position better, then you better believe I'd have an issue with that.

You've moved your goal posts in each example by a pretty good amount. Not worth discussing any further.

MikaDubbz · Aug 2, 2021

D34DL1N3R said:
You've moved your goal posts in each example by a pretty good amount. Not worth discussing any further.

Um, I really didn't at all. My feelings and point have been the same from the start. I'm not sure if maybe they just weren't very clear, or you read too fast, but my stance hasn't changed or altered here.

MikaDubbz said:
Can you imagine if we were cool with that in movies? Actor didn't pull off the character well enough? Let's just digitally replace him with another actor for the George Lucas style special edition.

MikaDubbz said:
But if suddenly the new MCU Spider-Man films were rereleased with Andrew Garfield in Tom's role for absolutely no good reason beyond some executive thinking that he just seemed like he fit in that position better, then you better believe I'd have an issue with that.

Those goal posts have been moved soooo far now, what completely different points I've been making here.

Moon164 · Aug 2, 2021

MikaDubbz said:
Oh I absolutely think the change to Peter Parker in the Spider-Man video game was completely unwarranted, stupid, and ultimately for the worse. They tried to age him down to make him seem more like the current movie iteration of Peter Parker, but given where Peter is at in his life in the game, it doesn't make sense to make him look like a younger Peter, they had it right the first time, not to mention the voice no longer felt like it even belonged to the new body it was coming out of. I genuinely do not understand moves like that.

I could just shrug it off, sure, but when there is no good reason for it, and it only hurts the lore of the game, I can't support the move. I'm sure I'll enjoy the game all the same, but I hate that, it's like needlessly adding a glaring plot-hole for no good reason.

Also, I have no issue with character looking better as tech goes on, sure Fox looks way different than his SNES days, but that just feels like an evolution of the technology of the gaming systems he's appeared in over the years. It's not like he went from being an athletic looking character to a slob of a character between 2 titles without explanation.

To be honest, I kind of agree with Peter Paker's case, but in Aloy's case I really think there's a lot of exaggeration in the post here.

To be honest, the first time I saw the gameplay of the game on State of Play I didn't even notice the changes until the internet folks started complaining that it looks fatter and comparing it to the previous game side-by-side.

If it had gotten worse or with a stark difference I would understand, but the differences are so minimal that I really can't believe people on the internet are fighting about it.

HellGhast · Aug 3, 2021

Moon164 said:
In Aloy's case I really think there's a lot of exaggeration in the post here.

To be honest, the first time I saw the gameplay of the game on State of Play I didn't even notice the changes until the internet folks started complaining that it looks fatter and comparing it to the previous game side-by-side.

If it had gotten worse or with a stark difference I would understand, but the differences are so minimal that I really can't believe people on the internet are fighting about it.

I agree with you, it's barely noticeable unless you zoom in the 2 screen-shots side by side. You would never notice this when playing the game with robots attacking you from all sides. Even during cut-scenes or dialog it won't be noticeable. Possibly all the drama and controversy has been fueled by a case of console wars.

VartioArtel · Aug 4, 2021

HellGhast said:
Even during cut-scenes or dialog it won't be noticeable. Possibly all the drama and controversy has been fueled by a case of console wars.

Uh. This is hella deflection. You're expecting people not to notice she looks severely off compared to before. IN CUTSCENES. Not only that, you're expecting this whole thing to be about Console wars - when some to many here don't even PLAY the game, don't CARE about what the frick ever PLATFORM (because a PC is ultimately not a console) it's on, etc etc. You're trying your damnedest to convince us that the Earth ain't shaking when an Earthquake just took out a whole building, in an essence.

Reploid · Aug 4, 2021

Damn, why no cancelled?

Phearoz · Aug 5, 2021

Moon164 said:
to be honest i much prefer her new look than the one in the previous game.

You are either blind or an apologist, because that opinion is absurd. Who are you kidding? She looks gross in the new one man. Makes me think of a keyboard warrior Karen.

Noctosphere · Aug 5, 2021

Phearoz said:
You are either blind or an apologist, because that opinion is absurd. Who are you kidding? She looks gross in the new one man. Makes me think of a keyboard warrior Karen.

maybe he preffer chubby women over curvy women like i do
Remember guys :
Chubby =/= curvy

sarkwalvein · Aug 5, 2021

Phearoz said:
You are either blind or an apologist, because that opinion is absurd. Who are you kidding? She looks gross in the new one man. Makes me think of a keyboard warrior Karen.

Nah, that is BS. She just has different looks, and it would be good if it is justified plotwise (e.g. the medicinal salvebrush allergic reaction "theory").

If it has no reason that goes together with the plot it would feel cheap, like a recast in a movie sequel.

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