Covid-19 vaccine

Lacius · Aug 2, 2021

Foxi4 said:
I don't know that for a fact - I would have to check the party line breakdown of vaccine hesitancy. If you have that statistic, I'd love to look into it.

I posted this poll several pages back (it's a PDF): https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf

3% of Biden voters actively won't get vaccinated, vs. 33% of Trump voters. When you include the "I'm not sure" category, 7% of Biden voters aren't sure or actively won't get vaccinated, vs. 46% of Trump voters.

The data in this poll comports with the data from other polls. I shared this one a few pages back because it included questions on conspiracy theories like microchips in vaccines, etc.

Foxi4 · Aug 2, 2021

Lacius said:
I posted this poll several pages back (it's a PDF): https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf

3% of Biden voters actively won't get vaccinated, vs. 33% of Trump voters. When you include the "I'm not sure" category, 7% of Biden voters aren't sure or actively won't get vaccinated, vs. 46% of Trump voters.

The data in this poll comports with the data from other polls. I shared this one a few pages back because it included questions on conspiracy theories like microchips in vaccines, etc.

That's entirely fair, thank you for elucidating. For once it's good that the Bidenites are towing the party line on this one, in spite of the reservations they would've otherwise had.

Deleted User · Aug 2, 2021

subcon959 said:
I'm not convinced that even 100% vaccination rate can eradicate the virus. We need to give big pharma billion-dollar contracts so they can repackage old molecules and sell them as new treatments. The only way forward is new patents.

Do you remember smallpox? No? Haven't heard any cases of it in the modern day?
Guess what it's counted as. eradicated. And you know what caused it to be eradicated? Vaccines.

Lacius · Aug 2, 2021

Reual said:
Do you remember smallpox? No? Haven't heard any cases of it in the modern day?
Guess what it's counted as. eradicated. And you know what caused it to be eradicated? Vaccines.

The funny thing about when the leaked CDC information called the delta variant "as contagious as chickenpox" was the fact that most people didn't know just how contagious chickenpox was because of successful vaccination efforts.

Foxi4 · Aug 2, 2021

In all fairness, polio is probably a better comparison - that disease has been effectively eradicated in the civilised world at this point, not a whole lot of Iron Lungs around. We also saw similar mask-wearing measures during the 1918 flu epidemic - people refusing to comply were ostracised and called "mask-slackers".

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-pandemic-public-health-campaigns

We've "been through this before" a number of times.

subcon959 · Aug 2, 2021

Reual said:
Do you remember smallpox? No? Haven't heard any cases of it in the modern day?
Guess what it's counted as. eradicated. And you know what caused it to be eradicated? Vaccines.

At what point did my sarcasm seem like a plausible argument?

Foxi4 · Aug 2, 2021

subcon959 said:
At what point did my sarcasm seem like a plausible argument?

Obvious jokes aside, fact of the matter is that we probably *won't* eradicate the virus - it's far more likely that we'll eventually all build immunity, natural or via vaccination, and the virus will fade away. It's been 10 years and we still see cases of swine flu in some regions of the world - it's just the way it is. Anyone under the impression that we can "beat the virus" is misinformed, that doesn't happen on a global scale. It'll stay around for as long as there are viable carriers. There's no magic pill or shot that will make it go away entirely - we can only work on better treatments and immunise. That's another good reason to vaccinate - if you want everything to go back to normal, you may want to just go for it while it's quick and convenient. There isn't a special date in the calendar when the virus reaches retirement age and we forget about it - it'll be a problem for as long as it poses a serious risk to health.

Lacius · Aug 2, 2021

Foxi4 said:
Obvious jokes aside, fact of the matter is that we probably *won't* eradicate the virus - it's far more likely that we'll eventually all build immunity, natural or via vaccination, and the virus will fade away. It's been 10 years and we still see cases of swine flu in some regions of the world - it's just the way it is. Anyone under the impression that we can "beat the virus" is misinformed, that doesn't happen on a global scale. It'll stay around for as long as there are viable carriers. There's no magic pill or shot that will make it go away entirely - we can only work on better treatments and immunise. That's another good reason to vaccinate - if you want everything to go back to normal, you may want to go for it and just vaccinate. There isn't a special date in the calendar when the virus reaches retirement age and we forget about it - it'll be a problem for as long as it poses serious risk to health.

Here's a handy chart I saw a few months back about what's likely to happen with COVID-19 over time:

TLDR, eradication is a fantasy, elimination requires significantly more people getting vaccinated, so we are probably left with the disease becoming endemic and comparable to today's relationship with influenza.

Foxi4 · Aug 2, 2021

Lacius said:
Here's a handy chart I saw a few months back about what's likely to happen with COVID-19 over time:

View attachment 271940

TLDR, eradication is a fantasy, elimination requires significantly more people getting vaccinated, so we are probably left with the disease becoming endemic and comparable to today's relationship with influenza.

The hope is that once it mutates, it will create new, less deadly strains over time (which apparently is the trend with most viruses), but yes, it won't be completely eradicated, it covers too much ground. If this strain survives, it will be just as dangerous in the future as it is today, so it makes perfect sense to immunise against it. There's no better time for it than right now, while it's at its peak and the risk of contracting it is high.

KingVamp · Aug 2, 2021

Foxi4 said:
"mask-slackers".

"He's stealing it!" Thanks

Anti-maskers? No. Mask-slackers? Yes.

Foxi4 · Aug 2, 2021

KingVamp said:
"He's stealing it!" Thanks

Anti-maskers? No. Mask-slackers? Yes.

We do like a bit of retro on the Temp. :gba:

RocaBOT · Aug 2, 2021

Foxi4 said:
(which apparently is the trend with most viruses)

Sadly, that is only true because "most" viruses we really hear from are way deadlier, and the more deadly they are, the less effective they are at spreading (it's quite difficult to spread widely from a dead host, as people might guess).
With this kind of virus that started out pretty mild compared to the ones that had "comparable" consequences we know of, it's actually going the other way with the variants we've seen emerge for the past few months, and it'll most likely settle around the level of virulence we reached with delta, or higher if we are unlucky. As long as virulence doesn't get in the way of transmission, it's less likely that less virulent mutations are selected, as they also tend to produce less viurses from their hosts (thus being less effective at transmission than more virulent ones if they don't kill their hosts too fast).

Hanafuda · Aug 2, 2021

Lacius · Aug 2, 2021

Hanafuda said:

Some of these have already been posted and subsequently debunked (many of the copy/pasters are anti-vaxxers).

Edit: I find it interesting that anti-vaxxers want to focus on the frequency of something being tweeted instead of the facts in the tweets.

Ibcap · Aug 2, 2021

Hanafuda said:

First image seems to be one doctor who said that (the one in the top left whos verified) and then a bunch of people mocking it. One even changed delta to ligma. The second seems to be blatantly antivax propaganda, its intentionally implying that the vaccine and safety measures dont work. So is your point that antivaxxers are mocking doctors and spreading propaganda via alt accounts?

Xzi · Aug 2, 2021

Foxi4 said:
That's entirely fair, thank you for elucidating. For once it's good that the Bidenites are towing the party line on this one, in spite of the reservations they would've otherwise had.

I think things would've broken down pretty much the same even if Trump had been reelected, since he was very quiet about endorsing the vaccine after he got it himself. A lot of his supporters are still unaware that he endorsed it at all, for that matter.

Hanafuda · Aug 2, 2021

Ibcap said:
First image seems to be one doctor who said that (the one in the top left whos verified) and then a bunch of people mocking it.

"mocking it."

Yeah, sure.

Lacius said:
(many of the copy/pasters are anti-vaxxers)

People gonna believe what they want to believe I guess. That's what belief is all about.

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. So, carry on.

(and I have gotten the shots btw)

Lacius · Aug 2, 2021

Hanafuda said:
People gonna believe what they want to believe I guess. That's what belief is all about.

Belief should be about what's likely true, not what one "wants to believe."

Dakitten · Aug 2, 2021

Hanafuda said:
"mocking it."

Yeah, sure.

People gonna believe what they want to believe I guess. That's what belief is all about.

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. So, carry on.

(and I have gotten the shots btw)

I gotta ask, what exactly are you even trying to show with your picture? If I'm not mistaken, you've thrown it up a couple of times, but it seems like just random garbage spam copy-pasted across several twitter accounts. Glad to hear you've gotten the vaccine, but... are you not satisfied with it? Are you mocking twitter's inability to figure out spam? Do you just like misleading screenshots?

player594 · Aug 2, 2021

I got vaccinated way back in May. 2 doses of Moderna. I just don't see what the reasoning is for not getting it. Your not getting chipped.(Though if you have a cell phone you basicaly already are). If it's because they think it's rushed, they have been working on these virus vaccines for year. If it's just stupidity, well we know there is no fix for that.

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