Firstly, he is not the inventor of mRNA vaccines https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd. Secondly, I wont claim he isnt credible, but one example of a single video from a single scientist being taken down on a single platform is not really enough to claim that every scientist who doesnt agree with the government is being censored.
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Cool, how many examples do you need before you stop trying to convince me that censorship of dissenting experts isn't taking place.
I am not looking to be endlessly trolled with moving goal posts of what constitutes censorship.
So lets get a number here, not a subjective platitude.
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I never said that, dont put words in my mouth. You made a claim that EVERY scientist who doesnt agree with ' the narrative' is censored. As evidence you provided a single example of one platform removing a video from one scientist. I never told you that no dissenting experts were censored, but I do absolutely call bullshit on the idea that theres widespread dissent among experts but ALL of them are censored to keep the public from knowing.
To prove widespread censorship youd need more than individual examples. If there really are a statistically relevant number of dissenting scientists and every single one is being censored then thats in the thousands if not tens of thousands of examples, and im sure there would be significant info about it online, unless every website is working together to remove all evidence.
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Wasn't it a Woman that started working on RNA back like in the 80-90s and not some old quack doctor?
EDIT: I didn't see Ibcap had posted a debunking and I were right about the woman. I just remember reading about it last year in a Swedish Newspaper.
EDIT: I didn't see Ibcap had posted a debunking and I were right about the woman. I just remember reading about it last year in a Swedish Newspaper.
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Gotcha, you don't want to quantify what constitutes censorship so you can apply whatever suits your narrative at the moment.
So I'll just accept whatever definition of Censorship your willing to admit too and state emphatically whatever level you are agreeing to is to much to have any credibility as far as I am concerned.
Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccines (and DNA vaccines). He also discovered lipid mediated and naked RNA transfection technologies.
It all started when he was at the Salk Institute in 1987 and 1988. There, he pioneered in-vitro RNA transfection and also in-vivo RNA transfection (in frog embryos, as well as mice).
This resulted in his seminal paper: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection RW Malone, PL Felgner, IM Verma. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) 86 (16), 6077-6081
His filed patent and disclosures from the Salk included in-vivo RNA transfection and also methods for mRNA stabilization - now being claimed as invented by others. These are available for review.
No? That was during the clinical trial
Not really, as they made under a rush. Aa revision that can protect against the deltas are coming probably.
I've read up about it. But apparently it's not enough to be the "inventor" apparently. Also he wasn't alone on this paper. So it's kind of false to claim he was the sole person.
Sadly for me how he speaks is to sound bigger than he really is. He just found a theory, a method but didn't finish it until the Hungarian doctor came in to the picture it seems.
No, that have been debunked. They been working on mRNA vaccines since the 2000's. It's not a new tech but wow research goes fast when a lot of money, time and resources all focus on one goal right?
Minutia aside without the entire Edison/Tesla Jobs/Woz debate, he's more qualified to be discussing it than the Youtube trolls censoring him discussing side effects on a podcast.
A lot of scientific people have however debunked his claims. So Youtube is just doing their job in removing misinformation imho.
Call it censorship all you want but Youtube isn't a public company. YouTube can tomorrow decide that all Gardinring on their platform should be removed and so they can do it, if they so wished.
Censorship is not limited to what you deem as "Misinformation" it is a matter of public record Facebook issued a memo that they would censor true provable statements if it was deemed to promote vaccine hesitancy.
There is no qualifier in these censorship models that it has to be untrue.
Yes, an argument I always see here is that young people have a high chance of survival so they don't need the vaccine.
But viruses mutate. And young people can pass it among each other allowing for more deadly strains of the virus to mutate to ones where our vaccines have less of an effect against.
It's not just for young people to fight off. It's to kill off the virus quickly so that less of the deadly mutations can happen.
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false equivalency. There isn't. On the "left" (democrats) none of them, not a single major member is anti vaxxer. On the the right, not only does it have multiple members pushing anti vaxx rhetoric, but also too should I add, that conspiracy theorists tend to believe in multiple conspiracy's at once. And it just so happens the right has a fuck ton of conspiracy's.
"Elite party cues increase vaccination intentions among Republicans"
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/32/e2106559118
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/32/e2106559118
The contention made was that anti-vax rhetoric is uniquely right wing. It's clearly not, as evidenced by previous vaccine grief.
The only ones that claimed that were peeps like jim who want to victimise themselves by putting those words into others' mouths though, so even the claim itself is baseless and can be disregarded without need for any kind of proof. That has been my point for 2 pages now.
I'm not convinced that even 100% vaccination rate can eradicate the virus. We need to give big pharma billion-dollar contracts so they can repackage old molecules and sell them as new treatments. The only way forward is new patents.
I don't know that for a fact - I would have to check the party line breakdown of vaccine hesitancy. If you have that statistic, I'd love to look into it. You're probably right, I'm not even going to contest that. My point, which was perhaps lost on some, was that "mistrusting vaccines" is not a uniquely right wing phenomenon - it affects both sides of the political spectrum. It would also be unfair not to mention that a lot of the right wing opposition is not against the vaccine per se, but rather against growing government overreach in attempting to distribute it. Now there are mandates on the table, and that doesn't fly well with the conservative-minded or the more libertarian crowds. I know a good handful of people who refuse to take a jab not because they don't think it will work - they know it would. Rather, they performed their risk versus reward calculation and, based on their risk of contracting the disease or suffering any consequences from it, they came to the conclusion that it's not worth the hassle (this is primarily based on age). I also know some who refuse to take it *because* it's constantly shoved in their faces, so they're acting entirely out of spite. The previous anti-vaxx debacle was more so about the completely benign preservatives rather than any of that stuff. Remember when affluent mothers would organise "chicken pox parties" to immunise their kids? I remember, and I also remember similar events during the beginning of the COVID pandemic when the lethality of the virus wasn't fully explored yet - tremendously irresponsible and dangerous doesn't even begin to describe it. I wonder how many people have died due to such a "natural" approach towards the pandemic. Rocks are natural too, but I wouldn't recommend eating them to aid in digestion issues - I presume they're rough on the way out. In any case, I thought avoiding the *whopping cough* vaccine was silly at the time and I think avoiding the COVID one is equally, if not more silly.
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