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Covid-19 vaccine

Will you get the vaccine?

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    Votes: 500 67.1%
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    Votes: 245 32.9%

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Sadly i do believe that a more dominant mutation will come out in the upcoming months due to the selfish people who are putting others at risk because they refuse to take the vaccine causing the virus to go into a harder mutation.

If we all just cooperated from the beginning and not listening to all the conspiracies things that come forth from every disaster events, we might be in a very different position than we are now. People are just too selfish and think that the "Goverment" wants to murder them all. If the Goverment trully wanted to eradicate as many humans as possible, believe me we wouldn't all be here, they could just release a manufactered deadly virus into the air untreceable and we all would fall like domino stones. There are many ways that could take many people out if they wanted. Like others have said, its selfish not to take the vaccine, as it meant to stop the virus but instead it will mutate by all the naysayers that in the end will bring only more hurt than good.
Like you said, the big governments would not even need to go that far if they wanted to do us actual physical harm. Most of them can just press a button to erase most countries from the surface of the planet. If we want deadly viruses, bacteria or toxins, we have plenty of them available from just natural evolution, that have decimated sizeable numbers of people in the past, and that we've been studying and archiving for decades in labs to understand them and recognise them faster if they reappear. They just need to release a sizeable sample of those if they want to eradicate a few cities, as well (black pest, anyone?)
Why go the expensive way of engineering something when nature has already done it for you, basically for free? (well technically not free, the price was the lives those things already took during their own outbreaks, but you know what I mean, it's not a direct cost for us anymore)

At any rate, believing they actually want to do anything remotely close to that kind of bad to us is delirious at best. They are far too much in need of us to produce their wealth to take any risk like that (especially because it would affect them, too), and money is a far better way to control people when you have a good control over it like they do. They very much know that, they're not stupid.
 

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Nobody said it was a "left-vs-right" thing. It's by far the opposite actually. Care not to bring your dividing politics that have nothing to do in this discussion in a thread that's already quite divided by the stupidity of some that put everyone at risk?


Actually KingVamp did and I do care, if you don't think there is a political component to the covid nonsense that's on par for someone like you.
 

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Come ON, we've been looking at treatments for the better part of the past 18 months, we have quite a few of them that are reasonably good, but they cannot do miracles. You cannot cure someone that's already dead jim, and most people that get to the point of being sent to hospital in need for ventilation are basically already dead. That's what's been happening en masse several times throughout the last 18 months, all over the world, and put most healthcare systems down for months at a time. Now we have a solution to get that under control and be able to go back to reasonably normal lives, and shit dumbasses like you are refusing that for whatever reason.
You'd prefer to live your entire life from one lockdown to the next, having to wear a mask anytime you go out of your house and being basically unable to travel safely anywhere? I sure do NOT. Especially when the lives of some of my relatives are at stake.

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He did not, there's no mention in the message you cited of anything related to right-wing vs left-wing. You're inventing yourself an enemy that does not exist in this context.
 

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Come ON, we've been looking at treatments for the better part of the past 18 months, we have quite a few of them that are reasonably good, but they cannot do miracles. You cannot cure someone that's already dead jim, and most people that get to the point of being sent to hospital in need for ventilation are basically already dead. That's what's been happening en masse several times throughout the last 18 months, all over the world, and put most healthcare systems down for months at a time. Now we have a solution to get that under control and be able to go back to reasonably normal lives, and shit dumbasses like you are refusing that for whatever reason.
You'd prefer to live your entire life from one lockdown to the next, having to wear a mask anytime you go out of your house and being basically unable to travel safely anywhere? I sure do NOT. Especially when the lives of some of my relatives are at stake.

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He did not, there's no mention in the message you cited of anything related to right-wing vs left-wing. You're inventing yourself an enemy that does not exist in this context.


Did so, when they were derping on about Prolifers being antivax they were absolutely blaming the right.

And I don't wear a mask, haven't been on a lock and wont be people don't tolerate that shit where I live.
 

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Prolifers exist on the left too, you're just seeking to blame someone for something stupid because you feel targeted. Well big news: you should be targeted, regardless of your political orientation, because you're one of those morons that are making it so we still cannot go back to normal, and won't be able to anytime soon.
Nobody fucking cares about the fact you're a moron who doesn't respect shit jim, nobody cares that you're stupid enough to not have been protecting yourself nor your relatives from a potentially deadly illness. But you know most of the world is in an awful state because of that, and you know it's entirely because of peeps like you that it still goes on even though solutions are available. Behaviours like yours make me sick.
 

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Prolifers exist on the left too, you're just seeking to blame someone for something stupid because you feel targeted. Well big news: you should be targeted, regardless of your political orientation, because you're one of those morons that are making it so we still cannot go back to normal, and won't be able to anytime soon.
Nobody fucking cares about the fact you're a moron who doesn't respect shit jim, nobody cares that you're stupid enough to not have been protecting yourself nor your relatives from a potentially deadly illness. But you know most of the world is in an awful state because of that, and you know it's entirely because of peeps like you that it still goes on even though solutions are available. Behaviours like yours make me sick.

I been on normal since day one, not my fault a bunch of beta's like you are naturally inclined to do as they are told. There are no solutions available.
 

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I been on normal since day one, not my fault a bunch of beta's like you are naturally inclined to do as they are told. There are no solutions available.
Lol, of course you use a term like “beta.” I am never shocked by someone who lacks evidence for his claims and refuses to post anything factual to use a term like “beta.” Do you ever plan on providing any evidence to any of the claims you’ve made in this thread?
 
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Looks like we have a couple of mud flinging contests going on simultaneously - cut it out. Anyone resorting to insults will be punished appropriately. If you can't put your thoughts across politely then you won't be participating at all. I won't be combing through the thread with a fine tooth right now, but I will be keeping an eye on it, so don't make me catch you.

In any case, regarding the whole left vs. right, yokel vs. smarty pants debacle that seems to be brewing, oh how short people's memory is. I distinctly remember that just a few years ago we had this problem in regards to... whooping cough.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...tion-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/

The rich and affluent are just as "anti-vax" as the country bumpkins - in fact, in 2014 the vaccination rates in L.A. we're on-par with those of *Sudan* and *Chad*. Celebrities are advertising the COVID-19 vaccine now because it's the popular thing to do, not because they "trust the science". Anti-vax demonstrations were often headlined by the likes of Jim Carrey, not your local farmer's union rep. Do you all not remember the thimerosal, mercury and aluminium debacles, or have you chosen to forget? Just 7 years ago prominent figures in public life were perfectly comfortable with making fools of themselves, left and right.

In fact, RealClearScience posted a piece on this way back when:

https://www.realclearscience.com/jo...r_conservatives_more_anti-vaccine_108905.html

The states that had the strongest anti-vax sentiment overwhelmingly voted for Obama, not Romney. The anti-vax movement was, in part, inspired by idiots from Hollywood who thought they were too rich to get sick.
The two most pro-vaccine states are solid red, and 5 of the 8 most pro-vaccine states overwhelmingly voted for Romney.

(...)

Second, as a whole, the conservative and religious Deep South is the most pro-vaccine part of the country.

(...)

The bottom line is that the CDC data makes it very difficult to argue that conservatives and liberals share equal blame in the anti-vaccine war. Anti-vaxxers are clearly more associated with the political Left.
Natural remedies, patchouli, non-GMO gluten-free organic everything and healing crystals have always been the domain of the left, not the right.
 
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I’m on a phone with crappy signal, so forgive me for not wanting to type the entire thing out again, but my original post is only a couple posts back.

Anyways, did you miss the point about the situation where getting a hold of a doctor can be all but impossible? How am I supposed to get a medical exception without access to the doctor to get him to write one?
Theirs multiple ways to solve that.
 

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"They" lol, there is just as many all-natural crazy anti-vaxxers on the left.
So, he just admitted that they are crazy.

Prolifers exist on the left too
While I didn't have a specific group in mind, base on the vaccine rates of today, I doubt they are just as many anti-vax pro-life or even pro-choice for that matter. That said, it was aimed at anyone that claimed to be pro-life while doing nothing to stop the spread of this virus. Not to mention, "my body my choice" doesn't seem to apply when they talk about transgender people.

And your not going to control a virus, you can't stop the common cold let alone this crap the Chinese let out of a lab.

The Vaccines are doing jack and shit, they aren't going to look seriously at treatments unless pharma can make a few billion dollars and politicians can exploit nonsense to increase their power.
Except we already stop or minimizes viruses before with vaccines and once again, if you don't want politicians that just want power, stop voting for them.

Your damn right were not going to be controlled.
You convinced me. What's next on your no nuance anti-government mission? Anti-seat belts? Anti-driver's licenses?
 
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So, he just admitted that they are crazy.

So? I like crazy people who question and reject authority. Historically crazy people are the only ones who do anything interesting.

Best advice I've ever had. My Grandpa used to run stop signs and I questioned him about it, "Only women and fruits take orders from inanimate objects."
 
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Looks like we have a couple of mud flinging contests going on simultaneously - cut it out. Anyone resolving to insults will be punished appropriately, if you can't put your thoughts across politely then you won't be participating at all. I won't be combing through the thread with a fine tooth right now, but I will be keeping an eye on it, so don't make me catch you.

In any case, regarding the whole left vs. right, yokel vs. smarty pants debacle that seems to be brewing, oh how short people's memory is. I distinctly remember that just a few years ago we had this debacle in regards to... whooping cough.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...tion-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/

The rich and affluent are just as "anti-vax" as the country bumpkins - in fact, in 2014 the vaccination rates in L.A. we're on-par with those of *Sudan* and *Chad*. Celebrities are advertising the COVID-19 vaccine now because it's the popular sentiment to do so, not because they "trust the science". Anti-vax demonstrations were often headlined by the likes of Jim Carrey, not your local farmer's union rep. Do you all not remember the thimerosal, mercury and aluminium debacles, or have you chosen to forget? Just 7 years ago prominent figures in public life were perfectly comfortable with making fools of themselves, left and right.



In fact, RealClearScience posted a piece on this way back when:

https://www.realclearscience.com/jo...r_conservatives_more_anti-vaccine_108905.html

The states that had the strongest anti-vax sentiment overwhelmingly voted for Obama, not Romney. The anti-vax movement was, in part, inspired by idiots from Hollywood who thought they were too rich to get sick.

Natural remedies, patchouli, non-GMO gluten-free organic everything and healing crystals have always been the domain of the left, not the right.

Comrade, just stop. You're literally citing a study from a whole different panic. This doesn't scale to the present day, and those 2014 numbers are gathered from even further back. A lot can change in a decade, particularly when a pandemic gets politicized, and honestly hitting LA in particular feels a lot like cherry-picking. In the present world with Alex Jones and Mike Adams and Steven Crowder literally hyping "all natural" products to make your brain stronger and your libido wilder, it is a bit telling how those trends shifted.

So? I like crazy people who question and reject authority. Historically crazy people are the only ones who do anything interesting.

Best advice I've ever had. My Grandpa used to run stop signs and I questioned him about it, "Only women and fruits take orders from inanimate objects."

Sweet fluffy jebus, you really love to embrace those right wing misogynist stereotypes. Well, here, have a leftist bingo. Hitler was a crazy right winger who murdered so many folk the commies had to stomp him out.

Seriously though, don't embrace insanity just because reality doesn't work right for you unless you forsake your sanity. Embrace reality, comrade! You're wrong and it's not really okay but you can make it better by moving forward whenever you're ready. Vaccines are good, as is empathy and public responsibility.
 
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So? I like crazy people who question and reject authority. Historically crazy people are the only ones who do anything interesting.

Best advice I've ever had. My Grandpa used to run stop signs and I questioned him about it, "Only women and fruits take orders from inanimate objects."
Theres a difference between rejecting authority and rejecting experts. If someone in a position of power, like say Trump, said to drink a chemical to cure the virus without any degree in a relevant field or any existing research at the time to back up his claim, then thats authority. When people who are the leading experts in a subject with decades of experience, studies and trials give advice, thats not authority. Thats expertise. Youre not sticking it to the man, youre sticking it to yourself. Also, choosing to run stop signs rather than be told what to do is a fantastic analogy for this situation, choosing to actively put yourself and others in danger for no reason is exactly what youre doing.
 

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Theres a difference between rejecting authority and rejecting experts. If someone in a position of power, like say Trump, said to drink a chemical to cure the virus without any degree in a relevant field or any existing research at the time to back up his claim, then thats authority. When people who are the leading experts in a subject with decades of experience, studies and trials give advice, thats not authority. Thats expertise. Youre not sticking it to the man, youre sticking it to yourself. Also, choosing to run stop signs rather than be told what to do is a fantastic analogy for this situation, choosing to actively put yourself and others in danger for no reason is exactly what youre doing.

In 2021 the only "Experts" are those that authorities approve of, the rest are censored and memory holed regardless of prior achievement or credibility.
 

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I will not get until/if they release a newer version of it. These vaccines in my opinion are still on alpha/beta phase..
 

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In 2021 the only "Experts" are those that authorities approve of, the rest are censored and memory holed regardless of prior achievement or credibility.
Do you have examples of any scientists in fields relevant to covid/vaccines who spoke out against the vaccine being safe/effective and were silenced? Or scientists from other countries who cant be silenced by the US government?
 
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Do you have examples of any scientists in fields relevant to covid/vaccines who spoke out against the vaccine being safe/effective and were silenced? Or scientists from other countries who cant be silenced by the US government?


mRNA vaccine inventor speaks out on 'Tucker' after YouTube deletes video of him discussing risks
'The government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are,' said Dr. Robert Malone

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-mrna-vaccine-inventor,


Feel free to claim he isn't credible now for going on fox news despite inventing the injection your taking.
 
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