Covid-19 vaccine

SG854 · Jul 31, 2021

Valwinz said:
vaccinated people are spreading this themselves https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1421157906720993284

You're a little late @BitMasterPlus already posted the article and his impression and misinterpretation of the article was already debunked

The article BitMasterPlus also mentions that 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths were unvaccinated.

The article also says that people hit the hardest by the delta variant are unvaccinated.

They may carry as much virus in their nose as unvaccinated but what I typed above shows that the hardest hit are still the unvaccinted. Death prevention is the most important part and the vaccines are working as intended on just the numbers the article mentions.

jimbo13 · Jul 31, 2021

SG854 said:
You're a little late @BitMasterPlus already posted the article and his impression and misinterpretation of the article was already debunked

The article BitMasterPlus also mentions that 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths were unvaccinated.

The article also says that people hit the hardest by the delta variant are unvaccinated.

They may carry as much virus in their nose as unvaccinated but what I typed above shows that the hardest hit are still the unvaccinted. Death prevention is the most important part and the vaccines are working as intended on just the numbers the article mentions.

Heard the same characterization on ABC news this morning that it is vaccinated people spreading it, just because Lacius rolls in and throws his two cents in does not mean it is debunked.

Valwinz · Jul 31, 2021

SG854 said:
You're a little late @BitMasterPlus already posted the article and his impression and misinterpretation of the article was already debunked

The article BitMasterPlus also mentions that 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths were unvaccinated.

The article also says that people hit the hardest by the delta variant are unvaccinated.

They may carry as much virus in their nose as unvaccinated but what I typed above shows that the hardest hit are still the unvaccinted. Death prevention is the most important part and the vaccines are working as intended on just the numbers the article mentions.

Debunk wow who do I believe GBATEMP user or the scientist saying Vaccinated people are spreading it too

Lacius · Jul 31, 2021

There seems to be some misunderstandings in this thread about how the delta variant is affecting vaccinated people. A few quick points about the recently released study and the leaked CDC information:

The information shows that vaccines are approximately 88% effective against contracting the delta variant. Breakthrough infections are still unlikely. The single best way to stop the spread of the delta variant is still vaccination.
However, the study shows that when vaccinated people suffer breakthrough infections, their viral loads are comparable to the viral loads of unvaccinated people who are also infected. This means that a vaccinated person with the delta variant can spread the virus just as much as an unvaccinated person with the delta variant. This was one of the main reasons for the CDC's new guidance on masks.
The study does not show that vaccinated people are spreading the disease more than unvaccinated people. It shows a majority of people who were infected in this outbreak were vaccinated.
The study acknowledges that as the rate of vaccination rises, so too will the proportion of COVID-19 infections being breakthrough infections. We've already seen this in the UK, and it isn't surprising.
The study also shows that, among those who are vaccinated, hospitalizations and deaths from delta were near zero (deaths were literally zero). In fact, this study shows how effective vaccines are at keeping total hospitalizations and total deaths low when vaccination rates are high. In addition to being the best way to stop the spared of the delta variant, the vaccine is also the best way to protect yourself from serious effects of the disease.

TLDR, vaccines are still very effective, and it isn't surprising that in some instances, a majority of new cases will be among people who are vaccinated. The only really surprising and disappointing information is the comparable viral loads between breakthrough infections and unvaccinated infections.

Valwinz said:
Debunk wow who do I believe GBATEMP user or the scientist saying Vaccinated people are spreading it too

I don't think anybody said recently that vaccinated people weren't spreading the delta variant too.

DKB · Jul 31, 2021

I'm wondering if catching covid AND getting the vaccine would boost protection against the delta variant, like in my case. I got the vaccine finally about 2 days ago. (Not like I was paid to do it or anything..

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Lacius · Jul 31, 2021

DKB said:
I'm wondering if catching covid AND getting the vaccine would boost protection against the delta variant, like in my case. I got the vaccine finally about 2 days ago. (Not like I was paid to do it or anything..)

There is preliminary data that people get significantly longer-lasting protection if they previously had COVID-19 before getting one of the mRNA vaccines.

Edit: To be clear, this is not a reason to go out and catch COVID-19 before getting vaccinated. People should get vaccinated as soon as possible, regardless of whether or not they've had COVID-19 and gotten over it.

Valwinz · Jul 31, 2021

Would you use a Vaccine that was created in less than a year

Lacius · Jul 31, 2021

Valwinz said:
Would you use a Vaccine that was created in less than a year

Most vaccines are created in less than year, and both kinds of COVID-19 vaccines are using technology that is decades old. The difference is the COVID-19 vaccines were released under Emergency Use Authorization in the United States. Although the COVID-19 vaccines underwent rigorous safety and efficacy testing, it means the vaccines were not tested for as long a time.

The great news is, based on the numbers from both the safety and efficacy testing from before EUA and the numbers coming from real-world usage, the vaccines are pretty much guaranteed to receive full FDA approval. The safety and efficacy numbers couldn't be much better.

Alexander1970 · Jul 31, 2021

Valwinz said:
Would you use a Vaccine that was created in less than a year

Not even as paid "Versuchskaninchen" (Test Object.....)
Fortunately,Millions of People do it for free.....

Hmmm...or not ?

- Free Concerts/Cultural Events/Sportevents Entry as "Inoculation Candy"
- Free Entry for Museums as "Inoculation Candy"
- Free "Food/Snacks" for Sport Events as "Inoculation Candy"
- "Financial" Compensation up to 100 €
........

SG854 · Jul 31, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Heard the same characterization on ABC news this morning that it is vaccinated people spreading it, just because Lacius rolls in and throws his two cents in does not mean it is debunked.

Spreading but not spreading it more then unvaccinated

Valwinz said:
Debunk wow who do I believe GBATEMP user or the scientist saying Vaccinated people are spreading it too

In my response to BitMasterPlus I typed that the vaccines weren't 100% effective. I just didn't want to retype or copy and paste that part again since I already said it not that many posts behind yours.

But also numbers shows most hit hard are unvaccinated

Hanafuda · Jul 31, 2021

Interesting revelation about that 'massive outbreak in Massachusetts" that the CDC is using to justify their demands for new mandates. It was precipitated by an annual gay fest (orgy of thousands). Which, hey fine, but CDC don't pretend this is average weekend behavior for the 99% of wage slaves across the US.

twitter. com/ peterstaley/status/1421215604481142785

Lacius · Jul 31, 2021

For anyone who might be freaking out about the Massachusetts numbers, please remember:

The total number of breakthrough infections in the United States represents approximately 0.08% of fully vaccinated individuals (the percent is probably somewhat higher since vaccinated individuals are more likely to be asymptomatic when suffering a breakthrough infection, and those people are less likely to be tested).
The total number of breakthrough infections in the United States makes up about 0.35% of total infections in the United States (the percent is likely to be somewhat higher for the same reason as above).

You can see this post of mine for more details about the new data regarding breakthrough infections:

Lacius said:
There seems to be some misunderstandings in this thread about how the delta variant is affecting vaccinated people. A few quick points about the recently released study and the leaked CDC information:

The information shows that vaccines are approximately 88% effective against contracting the delta variant. Breakthrough infections are still unlikely. The single best way to stop the spread of the delta variant is still vaccination.

However, the study shows that when vaccinated people suffer breakthrough infections, their viral loads are comparable to the viral loads of unvaccinated people who are also infected. This means that a vaccinated person with the delta variant can spread the virus just as much as an unvaccinated person with the delta variant. This was one of the main reasons for the CDC's new guidance on masks.

The study does not show that vaccinated people are spreading the disease more than unvaccinated people. It shows a majority of people who were infected in this outbreak were vaccinated.

The study acknowledges that as the rate of vaccination rises, so too will the proportion of COVID-19 infections being breakthrough infections. We've already seen this in the UK, and it isn't surprising.

The study also shows that, among those who are vaccinated, hospitalizations and deaths from delta were near zero (deaths were literally zero). In fact, this study shows how effective vaccines are at keeping total hospitalizations and total deaths low when vaccination rates are high. In addition to being the best way to stop the spared of the delta variant, the vaccine is also the best way to protect yourself from serious effects of the disease.

TLDR, vaccines are still very effective, and it isn't surprising that in some instances, a majority of new cases will be among people who are vaccinated. The only really surprising and disappointing information is the comparable viral loads between breakthrough infections and unvaccinated infections.

The best way to prevent COVID-19 infections (and severe symptoms) is still vaccination. Anyone who hasn't been vaccinated yet, but can medically do so, should do so as soon as possible.

Valwinz · Aug 1, 2021

Say no to vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations.
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Xzi · Aug 1, 2021

Valwinz said:
Say no to vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1421462935717781514

Say "fuck you, get back in your mom's basement" to anti-vaxxers.

Valwinz · Aug 1, 2021

Xzi said:
Say "fuck you, get back in your mom's basement" to anti-vaxxers.

So you want people to be force to take something kinda Fascist of you

Xzi · Aug 1, 2021

Valwinz said:
So you want people to be force to take something kinda Fascist of you

I want anti-vaxxers to have to deal with the consequences of their actions. If they choose to try to keep this pandemic going perpetually, then that carries with it the consequence of limiting your options for interacting with the outside world.

Valwinz · Aug 1, 2021

Xzi said:
I want anti-vaxxers to have to deal with the consequences of their actions. If they choose to try to keep this pandemic going perpetually, then that carries with it the consequence of limiting your options for interacting with the outside world.

is not anti vaxx to be mad about the government forcing you to take something lol

Xzi · Aug 1, 2021

Valwinz said:
is not anti vaxx to be mad about the government forcing you to take something lol

It is anti-vaxx to use that as an excuse for why you aren't willing to do your part in ending this pandemic and helping return things to some semblance of normalcy.

DKB · Aug 1, 2021

tfw when anti vaxxers are just fucking massive pussies and won't admit of being scared of* the vax lol

Lacius · Aug 1, 2021

Valwinz said:
is not anti vaxx to be mad about the government forcing you to take something lol

Most people probably aren't being forced by the government to get vaccinated in the United States. If they were, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation about the importance of vaccines.

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