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Covid-19 vaccine

Will you get the vaccine?

  • Yes

    Votes: 500 67.1%
  • No

    Votes: 245 32.9%

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jimbo13

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The misinformation around vaccines and that it's safe to not get them. As well as trusting a lack of information about that comes from the anti-vax perspective. I am still going to ask, is there evidence to back up the anti-vax side and if so, why hasn't it been presented? Why aren't there any peer-reviewed research papers to back up any of the anti-vax beliefs?
There should be evidence to back up the anti-vax stance, considering how adamant people are about it, why hasn't anyone posted a single shred of creditable evidence?

"Safe" is subjective. What you deem "Safe" doesn't meet my threshold or concerns. It's as simple as having higher standards than you based on the same information.
 

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The perfect solution fallacy again, had not seen that in like, one page... Why do we even bother with those people, seriously :glare:
 

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The Delta variant. Also the vaccines are 95% effective. Not 100% effective. No vaccine is 100% effective.
According to Israel, Pfizer is 88% effective against hospitalization, 91% against severe illness, but only 39% effective in preventing infection from Delta, which we are now being told presents as the same viral load in vaxxed as unvaxxed, so the very large pool of vaxxed carriers would presumably still be spreading it like wildfire and harboring mutations if any of it anywhere is to be believed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/del...ective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html
 

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According to Israel, Pfizer is 88% effective against hospitalization, 91% against severe illness, but only 39% effective in preventing infection from Delta, which we are now being told presents as the same viral load in vaxxed as unvaxxed, so the very large pool of vaxxed carriers would presumably still be spreading it like wildfire and harboring mutations if any of it anywhere is to be believed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/del...ective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html
Yepp, that's why a new booster is coming this fall against the Delta. Both Moderna and Pfizer apparently have it fixed. For sure, that's why so many people as possible should be vaxxed. Since a virus will die out without a host.
 

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"Safe" is subjective. What you deem "Safe" doesn't meet my threshold or concerns. It's as simple as having higher standards than you based on the same information.
Then provide evidence to counter what I said. You seem to have ignored the part where I asked for evidence to be proven wrong. Why hasn’t anyone on the anti-vax side been able to prove evidence?
 
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Then provide evidence to counter what I said. You seem to have ignored the part where I asked for evidence to be proven wrong. Why hasn’t anyone on the anti-vax side been able to prove evidence?

Same reason someone in Beijing can't prove Taiwan is a country. I don't care if your claims are true or not, has nothing to do with my decision not to get vaxed.

The reasons I don't get vaxed are true.


1) I am not using a product or services claiming a privilege of blanket indemnity, simplest safety metric in the world is "Will they take responsibility for it?". No? Well I am not going to trust their product more than they do.

2) Me and the people I care about continued on working and going about life normally, unaffected by Covid and neither myself or anyone I have concern for has any reasonable metric of risk.

3) I have no faith or belief in the integrity of this government so anything they claim is presumed to be a lie.

4) If it involves messaging, promotion, selfie frames, virtue signaling, censorship or any manner of social engineering from Big tech I am doing the opposite.
 

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Because hundreds of unvaccinated Americans are dying from the virus daily. In addition, the fact that they're spreading the virus makes it more likely that there will be breakthrough infections among the vaccinated. Finally, spreading the disease makes it more likely new variants will appear that make the vaccines less effective.

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2) Me and the people I care about continued on working and going about life normally, unaffected by Covid and neither myself or anyone I have concern for has any reasonable metric of risk.
It's a demonstrable fact that a.) These are the people who are getting seriously sick and dying from the disease, b.) These are the people spreading disease to other people, and c.) These are the people increasing the odds of there being more contagious and/or more deadly variants.
 

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Because hundreds of unvaccinated Americans are dying from the virus daily. In addition, the fact that they're spreading the virus makes it more likely that there will be breakthrough infections among the vaccinated. Finally, spreading the disease makes it more likely new variants will appear that make the vaccines less effective.
And yet it appears the vaccinated people are spreading the disease more than the unvaccinated.
 
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The evidence shows the opposite.
You mean the totally legit evidence that was probably in no way manipulated at all in order to try to sway people with "truths" and not the "lies of the true numbers"? You're right, I've been wrong this whole time, stupid me.
 

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You mean the totally legit evidence that was probably in no way manipulated at all in order to try to sway people with "truths" and not the "lies of the true numbers"? You're right, I've been wrong this whole time, stupid me.
If you have evidence that vaccinated people are "spreading the disease more than unvaccinated people," or you have any evidence that the presently available scientific studies have been at all "manipulated," I'd be interested to see it.

If you don't have evidence of these things, you're just making stuff up, and nobody should pay attention to you.
 

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It's a demonstrable fact that a.) These are the people who are getting seriously sick and dying from the disease,

Amazing how you can come up with an "adjective fact" for people I gave not even the vaguest hint about their age, health or behaviors.

Imagining what's best for others...
 

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If you have evidence that vaccinated people are "spreading the disease more than unvaccinated people," or you have any evidence that the presently available scientific studies have been at all "manipulated," I'd be interested to see it.

If you don't have evidence of these things, you're just making stuff up, and nobody should pay attention to you.
Did you not see the video I posted or are you an "intellectual" who prefers to read, in which case, here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc...tts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html
 

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Amazing how you can come up with an "adjective fact" for people I gave not even the vaguest hint about their age, health or behaviors.

Imagining what's best for others...
  1. That doesn't matter with regard to my point.
  2. There were two other points.
Did you not see the video I posted or are you an "intellectual" who prefers to read, in which case, here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc...tts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html
  1. This is not evidence that that the vaccinated are "spreading the disease more than the unvaccinated."
  2. This study is an anecdote.
 

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  1. There were two other points.

Only a point if you care about other people, I don't concern myself with others peoples choices and consequences because it's not my business.

The uptick in home schooling and curtailing travel I consider a boon.
 

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  1. This is not evidence that that the vaccinated are "spreading the disease more than the unvaccinated."
  2. This study is an anecdote.
>provides source
>says it doesn't count
So that means I can disregard your and possible others "sources" if I don't agree with them huh? Gotcha.
 
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