California Court SHUTS DOWN Transgender Pronoun Law

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
You can save the nonsense feminist revisionist science, Gender roles evolved as they did out of necessity same with the what they chose to wear.

Same bullshit as making a movie of how black women were responsible for NASA.

It isn't "feminist revisionist science." It's just science. Ironically, by flatly denying science because the conclusions are inconvenient for your preconceived notions about sex and gender, you're the one being anti-science.

I suggest you read the article I linked to, because female big game hunters occurred "out of necessity."

There is very little I'm aware of in today's gendered clothing that arose out of necessity or from biology. Dresses are, and have been, worn by men in different cultures. Gendered long/short hairstyles vary by culture and time period. Gendered pink/blue colors vary by culture and time period. Make-up usage varies by culture and time period. There is very little, if anything, about what you consider typical gender roles that isn't a societal construct that varies by culture and time period. Even if there were something that was consistent across cultures and time periods, that wouldn't be a reason why it would be at all problematic for someone to defy that gender role.

As for your quip about the movie Hidden Figures (I haven't seen it), while there are some minor historical inaccuracies, it is true that there were women of color who were critical to NASA's early success, and there are women of color who continue to be critical. I'm sorry if you're somehow threatened by or opposed to these facts.

Foxi4 · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
The issue is nursing home residents often can't "remove themselves from the situation" very easily. At the very least, I think you'd agree that there needs to be a mandate that nursing homes take a position on whether or not misgendering will be allow in their facilities and make that information overtly public. That way, elderly trans patients can make an informed decision before it's too late.

A certain level of decorum should be guaranteed by an internal code of conduct, however the state should not mandate it. Are those public or private nursing homes? If they're privately ran, the owner can decide what is and is not acceptable.

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

Foxi4 said:
A certain level of decorum should be guaranteed by an internal code of conduct, however the state should not mandate it. Are those public or private nursing homes? If they're privately ran, the owner can decide what is and is not acceptable.

I'm not saying the the state should mandate the level of decorum. I'm saying the state should mandate front-facing information about what the code of conduct for that facility is so consumers can make an informed decision.

Foxi4 · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
I'm not saying the the state should mandate the level of decorum. I'm saying the state should mandate front-facing information about what the code of conduct for that facility is so consumers can make an informed decision.

I agree, the internal code of conduct should be transparent and available to the public - informed consent is important.

MikaDubbz · Jul 30, 2021

RocaBOT said:
And there we go with stupid transphobic peeps believing that spermatozoids and eggs have sexual preferences. Way to go, it's roughly on the same level as believing that fleas will magically pop out of existence from your cat's insides with no previous contact or anything at all.
Between that and the one who firmly believes that fashion has an actual biological function when it clearly does not, seeing as it goes on and off between gender attribution every few centuries in most cultures, this thread is great, I'll give you that. A great show of denial and stupidity from people who go every now and again "I'm not X but (...)", which in most cases indicate that you are, indeed, X (where X can be anything from transphobic or racist or whatever to antivax or flat-earther)

Lol I love how he tried to so hard to warp the definition of heterosexuality to be about sperm fertilizing an egg. And the fact that he couldn't wrap his head around the fact that that isn't what that word means by it's very definition is pretty hilarious. Definitely gives you an idea of the level of intelligence these kinds of people are working with.

jimbo13 · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
It isn't "feminist revisionist science." It's just science. Ironically, by flatly denying science because the conclusions are inconvenient for your preconceived notions about sex and gender, you're the one being anti-science.

I suggest you read the article I linked to, because female big game hunters occurred "out of necessity."

There is very little I'm aware of in today's gendered clothing that arose out of necessity or from biology. Dresses are, and have been, worn by men in different cultures. Gendered long/short hairstyles vary by culture and time period. Gendered pink/blue colors vary by culture and time period. Make-up usage varies by culture and time period. There is very little, if anything, about what you consider typical gender roles that isn't a societal construct that varies by culture and time period. Even if there were something that was consistent across cultures and time periods, that wouldn't be a reason why it would be at all problematic for someone to defy that gender role.

As for your quip about the movie Hidden Figures (I haven't seen it), while there are some minor historical inaccuracies, it is true that there were women of color who were critical to NASA's early success, and there are women of color who continue to be critical. I'm sorry if you're somehow threatened by or opposed to these facts.

"Societal construct" narratives are agenda driven bullshit to justify progressive social engineering. Men and women are biologically different, norms developed because what they did what was effective & functional. Not this "nefarious plot" by the "male opressor"

Takes a special kind of 1984-esque brainwashed stupidity to buy that shit. And a serious lack of common sense and life experience.

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
"Societal construct" narratives are agenda driven bullshit to justify progressive social engineering. Men and women are biologically different, norms developed because what they did what was effective & functional. Not this "nefarious plot" by the "male opressor"

Takes a special kind of 1984-esque brainwashed stupidity to buy that shit. And a serious lack of common sense and life experience.

Nobody is saying there aren't biological differences between male, female, and intersex individuals. However, my points about most, if not all, gender norms being societal constructs apparently stands.

SG854 · Jul 30, 2021

I mean if women really were hunters throughtout history then they would've evolved bodies for these type of tasks like men did. Men are just faster and stronger. The evidence is in our visible biological differences. Society norms didn't create this. Survival for our species did.

But if women want to be hunters then I have nothing against that. Like Lacius said there was a need at certain points for women to hunt for human survival. Just not as often needed which is why evolution didn't give them the strength men has.

And I dont think just because women didn't evolve to do these types of tasks as efficiently as men, doesn't mean they should be restricted either. They should be free to pursue whatever they want.

ChrisMCNBVA · Jul 30, 2021

I don't understand the deal with pronouns in this way..that's all I'll say on the matter

Deleted member 194275 · Jul 30, 2021

I do not understand the law in question, language barriers and stuff. For me is difficult to deal with neutral pronouns, because there are not much neutral words here. (in Portuguese "car" is male, "ship" is male, "space ship" is female, "Nintendo" is female, "Sony" is female, "Brazil" is male, "France" is female)

So my opinion on that matter is that we should treat a person the way that very person choose, and if someone by mistake calls by the wrong name, it has to be space for an excuse. What is plain wrong is call a person with the disliked word even after knowing that, and, at least here, many people do that intentionally.

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

lokomelo said:
I do not understand the law in question, language barriers and stuff. For me is difficult to deal with neutral pronouns, because there are not much neutral words here. (in Portuguese "car" is male, "ship" is male, "space ship" is female, "Nintendo" is female, "Sony" is female, "Brazil" is male, "France" is female)

So my opinion on that matter is that we should treat a person the way that very person choose, and if someone by mistake calls by the wrong name, it has to be space for an excuse. What is plain wrong is call a person with the disliked word even after knowing that, and, at least here, many people do that intentionally.

The law in question isn't about mistakenly misgendering someone. It's about people choosing to misgender people.

mammastuffing · Jul 30, 2021

lokomelo said:
So my opinion on that matter is that we should treat a person the way that very person choose, and if someone by mistake calls by the wrong name, it has to be space for an excuse. What is plain wrong is call a person with the disliked word even after knowing that, and, at least here, many people do that intentionally.

I agree. I don't understand why people insist on being disrespectful. People be like "Oh, you're name is John? Well you look like a James so I'm going to be referring to you as James".

KingVamp · Jul 30, 2021

Goku1992A said:
There is an unwritten rule that people are missing. Being LGBTQ is considered as an endangered species if people think about it. Somewhere down the line you need to have a man and a woman to reproduce because if you don't then that group will be extinct.

I mean, in the same way as people in general that don't want to reproduce.

tabzer · Jul 30, 2021

MikaDubbz said:
heterosexuality to be about sperm fertilizing an egg

You are relying on the idea that heterosexuality and sexual reproduction are not connected, so that you can pretend that homosexuality would reproduce in vacuum.

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

tabzer said:
You are relying on the idea that heterosexuality and sexual reproduction are not connected, so that you can pretend that homosexuality would reproduce in vacuum.

Sexual reproduction can occur with or without heterosexual parents.

JuanMena · Jul 30, 2021

fallguy441 said:
Americans and their weird gender/pronounce problems...

US Laws aren't applicable anywhere else outside the country, so yeah, we foreigners might use it, or wathever the hell we want :rofl2:

MikaDubbz · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
Sexual reproduction can occur with or without heterosexual parents.

Dude, don't bother, they can not comprehend this idea.

tabzer · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
Sexual reproduction can occur with or without heterosexual parents.

The heterosexuality exists where the conception occurs, obviously or innately, regardless of how people identify themselves.

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

tabzer said:
The heterosexuality exists where the conception occurs, obviously or innately, regardless of how people identify themselves.

Heterosexuality describes a person's attraction to a member of the opposite sex. Sexual reproduction can occur with heterosexuality and heterosexuals being completely absent from the situation.

tabzer · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
Heterosexuality describes a person's attraction to a member of the opposite sex. Sexual reproduction can occur with heterosexuality and heterosexuals being completely absent from the situation.

If a part of a person is attracted to that of the other gender, then that person is at least, in that capacity, heterosexual. Even if their minds disagree with physiology--nobody is purely homosexual/heterosexual.

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