California Court SHUTS DOWN Transgender Pronoun Law

Deleted member 559230 · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
It's not any different than any other psychiatric dysphoria, and I reject politicized redefinition of words like gender.

If an adult who think's he is a parrot wants to cut his ears off or someone wants to remove their genitals whatever makes them happy but I draw the line at being compelled legally/civilly to acknowledge someone is a biological parrot.

What I find interesting about the latest DSM reclassification of gender dysphoria is that it was reclassified for political purposes with objections from the actual psychiatrists that were in charge of the entire transsexual criteria. The left basically used their political power to further divide the rest of us using the trans people as pawns. I'm going to stick with the prior DSM classification as that's what the psychiatrists who authored the section say is the best thing to do. It's funny that the psychiatrists who objected to the change were labeled as transphobic when they were simply objecting to the politicization of the topic.

ChronoTrig · Jul 30, 2021

JonhathonBaxster said:
What I find interesting about the latest DSM reclassification of gender dysphoria is that it was reclassified for political purposes with objections from the actual psychiatrists that were in charge of the entire transsexual criteria. The left basically used their political power to further divide the rest of us using the trans people as pawns. I'm going to stick with the prior DSM classification as that's what the psychiatrists who authored the section say is the best thing to do. It's funny that the psychiatrists who objected to the change were labeled as transphobic when they were simply objecting to the politicization of the topic.

Source for this? Always curious to learn more.

Seliph · Jul 30, 2021

JonhathonBaxster said:
What I find interesting about the latest DSM reclassification of gender dysphoria is that it was reclassified for political purposes with objections from the actual psychiatrists that were in charge of the entire transsexual criteria. The left basically used their political power to further divide the rest of us using the trans people as pawns. I'm going to stick with the prior DSM classification as that's what the psychiatrists who authored the section say is the best thing to do. It's funny that the psychiatrists who objected to the change were labeled as transphobic when they were simply objecting to the politicization of the topic.

Everything is political you dweeb, especially science and definitions. The previous definition of gender dysphoria was political as well.

Regardless, the exact opposite of what you said could be true as well. A significant amount of psychiatrists, both transgender and cisgender also pushed for the new definition, that's why it's the new definition.

You don't even need dysphoria to be trans anyways, you could just want to be a different gender than the one assigned to you at birth and that's totally fine. There's no need for it to be medicalized just as homosexuality shouldn't be medicalized either. Trans people have written abundant and well-sourced works about who they are, I think they can define themselves better than any transphobic psychiatrists could do. Simple as that.

Edit: whoopsies forgot you blocked me lol. Unblock me coward

jimbo13 · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Maybe you should take some of your own advice and stop dismissing peoples identity, if someone say's they are a parrot born in a human body it's just as valid as anyone else's claims of what's going on in their head.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/yvwknv/what-does-it-mean-to-be-trans-species

Seliph said:
Everything is political you dweeb, especially science and definitions. The previous definition of gender dysphoria was political as well.

Regardless, the exact opposite of what you said could be true as well. A significant amount of psychiatrists, both transgender and cisgender also pushed for the new definition, that's why it's the new definition.

You don't even need dysphoria to be trans anyways, you could just want to be a different gender than the one assigned to you at birth and that's totally fine. There's no need for it to be medicalized just as homosexuality shouldn't be medicalized either. Trans people have written abundant and well-sourced works about who they are, I think they can define themselves better than any transphobic psychiatrists could do. Simple as that.

Homosexuals aren't asking for tax payer funded surgeries and hormone treatments, we don't socialize the burden of cosmetic surgeries and hormones treatments are not authorized cause "I want to".

MikaDubbz · Jul 30, 2021

I'm all for calling people by whatever it is they prefer, but I do think it's silly to criminally go after anyone that uses the wrong words.

Just treat each other with respect, if we all just did that then such silly laws would never even have to be proposed to begin with.

jimbo13 · Jul 30, 2021

MikaDubbz said:
I'm all for calling people by whatever it is they prefer, but I do think it's silly to criminally go after anyone that uses the wrong words.

Just treat each other with respect, if we all just did that then such silly laws would never even have to be proposed to begin with.

Most people are, the problem is passing laws to allow lawsuits and criminalize everyone from people intentionally being a prick to those who just made an honest mistake based on what was apparent to them.

If you want people think your a woman fine, easier solution than thought police is don't walk around the sauna with your pecker out.

Deleted member 559230 · Jul 30, 2021

ChronoTrig said:
Source for this? Always curious to learn more.

Here's what I could find right now. I had to dig up what I could because most of what I remember that happened has been long lost to the Internets. Basically, this psychologist who helped author the DSM-V section on transsexuals stated in a row of tweets that he objected to the reclassification and that it was done for political purposes. I came to find this out because Twitter banned him or what not (I don't have a Twitter account) because of his actual opinions on transgenderism. I admit I couldn't find his exact objections to the reclassification, but it all surrounded the events linked to below.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...ing-clinical-opinion-on-transgenderism-n65799

MikaDubbz · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Most people are, the problem is passing laws to allow lawsuits and criminalize everyone from people intentionally being a prick to those who just made an honest mistake based on what was apparent to them.

If you want people think your a woman fine, easier solution than thought police is don't walk around the sauna with your pecker out.

I mostly agree. I think it's dumb to prosecute bullies for being bullies (non physical ones that is), because these people already clearly live sad lives, no one just decides one day that they're specifically going to be an asshole toward one person or group of people without having some shitty thing happen in their upbringing. Having said that, it truly is super lame to take out your problems on another person or people. It probably is too much to ask such people to treat others with respect, for the most part they're never gonna change their ways. Normal people will distance themselves from such assholes, and they'll just be left with other like minded assholes feeling miserable. I'd say that should be punishment enough for being a bully in life, but it's still a shame that there has to be collateral damage for such self punishments to ever take hold.

Deleted member 559230 · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Most people are, the problem is passing laws to allow lawsuits and criminalize everyone from people intentionally being a prick to those who just made an honest mistake based on what was apparent to them.

If you want people think your a woman fine, easier solution than thought police is don't walk around the sauna with your pecker out.

What I find more alarming regarding this topic is the reaction from the person or persons being misgendered. They freak out, attack you, call for you to be censored or banned and then make it their purpose to harass you into submission. That's not the behavior of someone who is tolerant of others. The shit goes both ways.

tabzer · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
No, @tabzer is the muffled call-in listener with dogs barking in the background.

Since you asked fo my 2 cents: gender is a representation of biological sex. If your gender doesn't match your sex, then you are akin to catfishing, or directly misleading society. It's morally repugnant to mislead people. As a joke, or an art form--that is honest, it can be appreciated. If you want to conceal your sex, for whatever reason, that is at least more self-representing. But playing dressup in society and wanting everyone to respect your roleplay makes you a joke by definition.

SG854 · Jul 30, 2021

JonhathonBaxster said:
Here's what I could find right now. I had to dig up what I could because most of what I remember that happened has been long lost to the Internets. Basically, this psychologist who helped author the DSM-V section on transsexuals stated in a row of tweets that he objected to the reclassification and that it was done for political purposes. I came to find this out because Twitter banned him or what not (I don't have a Twitter account) because of his actual opinions on transgenderism. I admit I couldn't find his exact objections to the reclassification, but it all surrounded the events linked to below.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...ing-clinical-opinion-on-transgenderism-n65799

gender dysphoria which not all trans suffer from, from what I know

Ray Blanchard still supports transition surgery and trans

MikaDubbz · Jul 30, 2021

tabzer said:
Since you asked fo my 2 cents: gender is a representation of biological sex. If your gender doesn't match your sex, then you are akin to catfishing, or directly misleading society. It's morally repugnant to mislead people. As a joke, or an art form--that is honest, can be appreciated. If you want to conceal your sex, for whatever reason, that is at least more self-representing. But playing dressup in society and wanting everyone to respect your roleplay makes you a joke by definition.

Genuine question: why do you care? Like if people want to be perceived as a gender that they weren't born as, what difference does it make to you that that is their preference? That makes them a joke to you? That's cool, not saying you can't feel that way, but... why do you care?

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

tabzer said:
Since you asked fo my 2 cents: gender is a representation of biological sex. If your gender doesn't match your sex, then you are akin to catfishing, or directly misleading society. It's morally repugnant to mislead people. As a joke, or an art form--that is honest, it can be appreciated. If you want to conceal your sex, for whatever reason, that is at least more self-representing. But playing dressup in society and wanting everyone to respect your roleplay makes you a joke by definition.

Why do you care, for example, if someone born biologically male wears a dress?

tabzer · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
Why do you care, for example, if someone born biologically male wears a dress?

I don't really care that much but I have thoughts about it. I do have concerns for future generations. The only reason I'm here is because you tagged me, suggesting you wanted my perspective.

If I'm seeking a mate, and male tries to seduce me via dressing for their own kicks, I would be disgusted with them.

I also don't care much for the Kardashians or S. Korean plastic surgery culture for similar kinds of reasons.

MikaDubbz said:
That makes them a joke to you?

It is a joke, by definition.

The Catboy · Jul 30, 2021

RocaBOT said:
Oh good, a thread to assemble all the transphobic peeps of this place in one spot so I can ignore them all at the same time, so sweet

That’s the worst best part of these threads. Transphobic assholes expose themselves, which only helps to know who to ignore. Sure, it’s exposure to transphobia but it’s also a means of preventing yourself from dealing with it in the future

MikaDubbz · Jul 30, 2021

tabzer said:
It is a joke, by definition.

Sorry, that was a rhetorical, "That makes them a joke to you?" Note how I immediately follow that up with: "That's cool, not saying you can't feel that way, but... why do you care?" I was really just acknowledging that's how you feel, not actually asking if that actually does make them a joke to you.

Deleted member 559230 · Jul 30, 2021

SG854 said:
gender dysphoria which not all trans suffer from, from what I know

Ray Blanchard still supports transition surgery and trans

I never said that he doesn't support trans. I mean, he was one of the main authors of the DSM-V criteria for trans. I would have never run across his opinions if Twitter didn't ban him for saying that performing sex change surgery on kids is wrong. His comments started a firestorm for a few weeks and during that time I read more of his comments and that's when I discovered he wasn't alright with the reclassification. I feel stupid now that I can't find his exact tweet or tweets.

SG854 · Jul 30, 2021

tabzer said:
I don't really care that much but I have thoughts about it. I do have concerns for future generations. The only reason I'm here is because you tagged me, suggesting you wanted my perspective.

If I'm seeking a mate, and male tries to seduce me via dressing for their own kicks, I would be disgusted with them.

I also don't care much for the Kardashians or S. Korean plastic surgery culture for similar kinds of reasons.

It is a joke, by definition.

Lacius likes you. He enjoys your company and your insights

ChronoTrig · Jul 30, 2021

I guess with everything being said, is there an acceptable age to let a child have a sex change so they can better identify with what they identify as?
I was reading last year there's been a lot of children who have had the surgery and regretted it. I apologize for not having a source for this information.

SG854 · Jul 30, 2021

JonhathonBaxster said:
I never said that he doesn't support trans. I mean, he was one of the main authors of the DSM-V criteria for trans. I would have never run across his opinions if Twitter didn't ban him for saying that performing sex change surgery on kids is wrong. His comments started a firestorm for a few weeks and during that time I read more of his comments and that's when I discovered he wasn't alright with the reclassification. I feel stupid now that I can't find his exact tweet or tweets.

I felt I had to say it more for me, so that people reading knows that I'm interpreting what he says correctly.

But I agree that the activists got a little crazy which got him banned on Twitter. He is one of the main guys behind DSM and the trans task force. People needs to go through testing to see if there's any mental problems, or other health issues that people may mistake for gender dysphoria before they can consider transitioning.

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ChronoTrig said:
I guess with everything being said, is there an acceptable age to let a child have a sex change so they can better identify with what they identify as?
I was reading last year there's been a lot of children who have had the surgery and regretted it. I apologize for not having a source for this information.

The opinion of some psychiatrists is around 21ish

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