California Court SHUTS DOWN Transgender Pronoun Law

Seliph · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
You seem to not understand when I clearly stated I am not adopting the Newspeak definition of gender.

Jesus Christ dude language grows and evolves all the time. The term gender doesn't mean the same thing it did 5 years ago which didn't mean the same thing it meant 5 years before that which didn't mean the same thing it meant 50 years before that. Language is always growing and changing, adapting with the times. Newspeak was a term invented by some writer for his fictional book, it has no actual bearing on how language works. The term gender doesn't mean the same thing across contemporary cultures, it's all relative.

You have every right to misinterpret or ignore the current Oxford definition of gender but doing so while spouting terms from a book you've never read to justify sticking your head in the sand is silly. It's not newspeak, it's not propaganda, it's just one term that we use to better communicate our social identities, identities that always grow and change with the times and with culture, just like language.

Xzi · Jul 30, 2021

Valwinz and Jimbo should go start their own AM radio show for boomers. I'm sure it'd do well. They could have Tabzer on as a guest every now and then.

Seliph · Jul 30, 2021

Xzi said:
Valwinz and Jimbo should go start their own AM radio show for boomers. I'm sure it'd do well. They could have Tabzer on as a guest every now and then.

The Rush Limbaugh Show 2: Electric Boogaloo

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

Xzi said:
Valwinz and Jimbo should go start their own AM radio show for boomers. I'm sure it'd do well. They could have Tabzer on as a guest every now and then.

Seliph said:
The Rush Limbaugh Show 2: Electric Boogaloo

No, @tabzer is the muffled call-in listener with dogs barking in the background.

jimbo13 · Jul 30, 2021

Seliph said:
Jesus Christ dude language grows and evolves all the time. The term gender doesn't mean the same thing it did 5 years ago .

It does in this household and I am not going to be compelled to change my usage.

5 years or 50 years from now Water will still be wet as far as I am concerned.

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
It does in this household and I am not going to be compelled to change my usage.

5 years or 50 years from now Water will still be wet as far as I am concerned.

That's progressive of you to say demonstrably nonbiological traits like clothes and hairstyle are actually biological traits linked to biological sex.

jimbo13 · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
demonstrably nonbiological traits like clothes and hairstyle are actually biological traits linked to biological sex.

That's beneath your typical well thought out posts to continually attribute claims to me which I did not make, I'll just take it as victory that you didn't have a coherent point and had to muck in the gutter.

Sarugetchu · Jul 30, 2021

California is like Texas and Florida. they'll do a bunch of stupid shit but then will do something smart. I wouldn't say none of the states are listed as lost causes but are basically our Doctor Jecker and Mr. Hyde. I may have spelled that wrong but meh. Still, I stress people not misgendering someone to be a dick. Don't be an asshole as misgendering can be annoying. I am not even trans but it pisses me off people think I'm a girl because of my female avatars even though I got pictures of myself showing I'm a male.

stanleyopar2000 · Jul 30, 2021

The ruling basically says: deadname the fuck away. It's "free speech"

Making it a "law" to pronoun people correctly was a bit much

Nincompoopdo · Jul 30, 2021

Wouldn't it be easier to call everyone 'it' - like animals?

Lacius · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
That's beneath your typical well thought out posts to continually attribute claims to me which I did not make, I'll just take it as victory that you didn't have a coherent point and had to muck in the gutter.

Are you saying biological sex is or isn't the same as gender?

Seliph · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
5 years or 50 years from now Water will still be wet as far as I am concerned.

Actually um.

Water isn't wet Jimbo.

Wet is what happens when water (or any other liquid) gets on something.

Since water is already a liquid you can't actually just make it wet, you could freeze it into a solid like ice and pour water onto that ice to make it wet, but at that point, it isn't water anymore until it melts back into a liquid.

I'm sorry to inform you.

Of course, the whole water is/isn't wet debate is just that, a debate. You could realistically argue for either side. The term wet means different things to different people, there is no one way of defining it. The point is, again, everything is relative. Gender, like the wetness of water, is all relative. And it's up to you to decide whether you wanna be an asshole about it or if you wanna actually bother to learn something new. When you meet actual trans people in real life none of this stuff matters, just like whether water is or isn't wet. All that matters is that we communicate with each other, and gender (more specifically gender presentation) is just one of those methods used to communicate with other people, a social construct.

The Catboy · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Trans species & racial is entirely as valid as gender. Like I said it's all just different symptomatic expressions of dysphoria.

You have no idea what you are going on about it’s funny as fuck. Otherkins are not trans, aren’t part of the trans community, there’s no science neither medical, psychological, biological, nor any idea the sort behind otherkins. It was a trend that barely even exists these days and has never been consider part of the trans community. Quite honestly it’s obvious that you don’t know shit and just think you do. You are pathetic and predictable, you’ve been saying the same obviously garbage nonsense for years and it that doesn’t give it credence.

jimbo13 · Jul 30, 2021

Lilith Valentine said:
You have no idea what you are going on about it’s funny as fuck. Otherkins are not trans, aren’t part of the trans community, there’s no science neither medical, psychological, biological, nor any idea the sort behind otherkins. It was a trend that barely even exists these days and has never been consider part of the trans community. Quite honestly it’s obvious that you don’t know shit and just think you do. You are pathetic and predictable, you’ve been saying the same obviously garbage nonsense for years and it that doesn’t give it credence.

Maybe you should take some of your own advice and stop dismissing peoples identity, if someone say's they are a parrot born in a human body it's just as valid as anyone else's claims of what's going on in their head.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/yvwknv/what-does-it-mean-to-be-trans-species

Quit being transphobic.

Goku1992A · Jul 30, 2021

Lacius said:
Are you saying biological sex is or isn't the same as gender?

Let's spin this around are you saying it would be okay for an 18 year old man to date an 13 year old girl just because that girls "thinks" she is mature enough to date an 18 year old? Because it's kinda the same thing here.

It's like saying it's okay for a transgender woman to play on the all girls soccer team when it really isn't she needs to play with other transgender women.

This is what I'm trying to point out. Nothing wrong with being transgender and etc..etc.. but you have to place a limit.

If I dig deeper is like saying it's okay with a transgender woman to shower in the girls lockroom with girls there is some things you can't escape and this is one of them. I feel the goverment needs to give transgender equal rights and give them the appropriate sports, bathrooms, and etc..etc.. so they wont feel left out.

Seliph · Jul 30, 2021

Goku1992A said:
Let's spin this around are you saying it would be okay for an 18 year old man to date an 13 year old girl just because that girls "thinks" she is mature enough to date an 18 year old? Because it's kinda the same thing here.

Let's spin this around are you saying it would be okay for a thief to steal a car just because that thief "thinks" he owns the car? Because it's kinda the same thing here.

See I can make up unrelated hypotheticals too! Saying what you said is the same type of fake gotcha as saying "oh you like dogs? Well Hitler liked dogs too so you must be a Nazi!" It's just a weird thing to say. Gender and age are entirely different things, no one is "transage", millions of people are transgender and have been for as long as people have existed. Your comparison is just an attempt to demonize trans people by making a weird comparison between being transgender and participating in a pedophilic relationship. There is zero correlation and it's really weird that you're trying to make that type of correlation because you are on a website and in a community with several trans people in it who deserve the respect you clearly don't have for them. How would you feel if I said the same types of things about you? Probably not great. Grow up dude.

The Catboy · Jul 30, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Maybe you should take some of your own advice and stop dismissing peoples identity, if someone say's they are a parrot born in a human body it's just as valid as anyone else's claims of what's going on in their head.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/yvwknv/what-does-it-mean-to-be-trans-species

Quit being transphobic.

Lol, a fucking vice article, that’s your “gotcha?” You posted a vice article. Do you have any actual evidence for your bullshit or are you just hoping that saying “otherkins” is a good enough argument?

Goku1992A said:
Let's spin this around are you saying it would be okay for an 18 year old man to date an 13 year old girl just because that girls "thinks" she is mature enough to date an 18 year old? Because it's kinda the same thing here.

It's like saying it's okay for a transgender woman to play on the all girls soccer team when it really isn't she needs to play with other transgender women.

This is what I'm trying to point out. Nothing wrong with being transgender and etc..etc.. but you have to place a limit.

This is a strawman and complete garbage, thanks for playing.

SG854 · Jul 30, 2021

I would be against laws that forces people to do stuff. If you can't force laws to make people take the vaccine then you can't force people to say certain words. The vaccine thread has me thinking that force is maybe not the best method.

Goku1992A · Jul 30, 2021

Once again you guys are missing my point. I have no problem with LGBT and etc..etc.. what I'm saying is you can't expect other people to be comfortable with a transgender woman showring in the same lockeroom with girls or playing on the same sports team as girls....Boys shower with boys.... girls shower with girls... and transgender shower with transgender it's all about equality. It's all about boundaries and respect for one another that is what I'm trying to say...

That's why I brought up the 13 year old and the 18 year old because this happened recently where a 12 year old was pregnant by a 24 year old and the guy didn't see nothing wrong with it but the public did. That guy needs to be with people his own age not someone who is 12 years old....

The issue is the government hasn't fully address LGBT rights/laws which is why there is conflict and etc..etc. once the laws are addressed things would get better.

If I attempt to go into a women's restroom alleging I'm transgender I would be arrested.

The Catboy · Jul 30, 2021

Goku1992A said:
That's why I brought up the 13 year old and the 18 year old because this happened recently where a 12 year old was pregnant by a 24 year old and the guy didn't see nothing wrong with it but the public did. That guy needs to be with people his own age not someone who is 12 years old....

If I attempt to go into a women's restroom alleging I'm transgender I would be arrested.

So you are comparing pedophilia to being trans and using a series of strawman arguments. Gotcha.

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