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I rather people make up their own minds and foster communities they went to live in, The elderly legally discriminate against the young because they want to live in a community of shared experience. Nothing wrong with that choice, what is wrong is the government making it for you.
This reminds me of Williamsburg, NYC. There's 2 different sides to it and people of their own culture want to be with their own culture no matter how much people try to force cultures together.
 

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I see no difference in quality of life between socially engineered government mandated segregation and government mandated diversity.

I rather people make up their own minds and foster communities they went to live in, The elderly legally discriminate against the young because they want to live in a community of shared experience. Nothing wrong with that choice, what is wrong is the government making it for you.

No you need to correct your imagination and whatever voice in your head your arguing with.
 

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That's insulting and unfair to traditional Liberals, the under 30 progressive marxists on this site biggest motivation in life is state funding of genital removal and have little in common with liberals.

Their motto should be "Authoritarianism or someone's feelings might get hurt".

Real Liberals that used to believe in smaller Government and personal freedoms are long gone. Any remaining ones from the turn of the century are attacked and eaten by their own kind. I don't find the Liberals here on this site any different then ones on all of the other sites I visit. I mean, they all repeat the same nonsense over and over again. I just rather not deal with the amount of stupid that comes along with discussing topics with baby killing USA hating racist piles of shit. I'm fine with discussing topics with people that aren't part of some borderline cult.
 
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Real Liberals that used to believe in smaller Government and personal freedoms are long gone. Any remaining ones from the turn of the century are attacked and eaten by their own kind. I don't find the Liberals here on this site any different then ones on all of the other sites I visit. I mean, they all repeat the same nonsense over and over again. I just rather not deal with the amount of stupid that comes along with discussing topics with baby killing USA hating racist piles of shit. I'm fine with discussing topics with people that aren't part of some borderline cult.

IRONY INTENSIFIES! :wacko:
 

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Functional logic behind this sort of argument.
"I might have it bad in my life - but as long as there still is a group of people that has it worse - I can feel better."

"Young people educated in the US, should be deported - before they can finish their education, or before they can take jobs (which might produce more jobs, btw - usually thats the case with second generation migrants)".

Or alternatively, "but they are illegals, and I only want justice and truth" and therefore I support a judges decision.

OP didnt give us his reasoning, for the joy he is experiencing.

Problem with this: We did tell you prior, that probably one of the main legacies the Trump presidency produced was their Judicial Appointments:

JUDICIAL APPOINTMENTS
Trump wasn’t happy when judges he appointed ruled against his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results, but his reshaping of the judiciary in a conservative direction is still one of his biggest legacies.

During his four years in office, he appointed three Supreme Court justices, the first time that has been done since President Richard Nixon appointed four in his first term. The court now has a rock-solid 6-3 conservative majority.
Trump can thank Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who made judicial nominations a priority, for his ability to appoint not just Supreme Court justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett but also dozens of lower court judges.

Trump appointed 54 judges to the influential appeals courts, just one fewer than his Democratic predecessor Barack Obama managed in eight years and almost a third of the total number.

(For a graphic showing Trump’s impact on federal appeals courts, click tmsnrt.rs/2PPsGtM)
Trump also named 174 district court judges, the lowest rung on the federal judicial ladder, making up about a quarter of the total number of judges now serving on those courts.

src: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-legacy-policy-explainer-idUSKBN29O16C

Those people, are now going to work.

edit: In Concept, as Hannen was appointed by Bush, and looks like this: ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Hanen#:~:text=the nomination lapsed.-,District court service,who had assumed senior status.

edit: Partly good news, he stopped new applicants from getting into the program, but didnt rule to push back older ones:
In a 77-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Hanen found that DACA is unlawful and that the Department of Homeland Security can no longer approve new applicants into the program, which has granted work permits and protection from deportation to more than 600,000 young immigrants brought to the U.S. as children.

The court order does not “require DHS or the Department of Justice to take any immigration, deportation, or criminal action against any DACA recipient, applicant, or any other individual that it would not otherwise take,” Hanen wrote in the ruling.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/16/texas-federal-judge-daca-applicants-499896

Thats the - the US wont be shooting themselves in the foot immediately part - as educated migrant children usually produce more jobs.
 
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By definition, evolution by natural selection isn't design. I'd be curious to know how you reached the conclusion that anything about the human genome is designed.

It's really something to see how many people have done large amounts of DMT (100mg+ perfect hit) and are still devoid of any spirituality. Rather than explain why I came to these conclusions (in brief, holding a friends hand as he went cold after being take off life support, and spending a great deal of time working w/ biololigists in the mid-late 90s), here is why the man who is credited w/ the discovery of DNA went from agnostic to absolute believer.

https://www.everystudent.com/wires/is-god-real.html

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Functional logic behind this sort of argument.
"I might have it bad in my life - but as long as there still is a group of people that has it worse - I can feel better."

"Young people educated in the US, should be deported - before they can finish their education, or before they can take jobs (which might produce more jobs, btw - usually thats the case with second generation migrants)".

Or alternatively, "but they are illegals, and I only want justice and truth" and therefore I support a judges decision.

OP didnt give us his reasoning, for the joy he is experiencing.

Problem with this: We did tell you prior, that probably one of the main legacies the Trump presidency produced was their Judicial Appointments:


src: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-legacy-policy-explainer-idUSKBN29O16C

Those people, are now going to work.

edit: In Concept, as Hannen was appointed by Bush, and looks like this: ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Hanen#:~:text=the nomination lapsed.-,District court service,who had assumed senior status.

edit: Partly good news, he stopped new applicants from getting into the program, but didnt rule to push back older ones:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/16/texas-federal-judge-daca-applicants-499896

Thats the - the US wont be shooting themselves in the foot immediately part - as educated migrant children usually produce more jobs.

Judging people's looks, then claiming it's a good idea to let foreigners come here, get educated here, then stay here the rest of their lives and take jobs that citizens could have had. But w/ white people obsessing over identity all day, defending every opinion except that 'it's ok to be white and it doesn't mean you are racist' - I hope family lines like these - the wokes - die out sooner than later.

You also need to grow big enough balls to say "black people have a serious culture problem", which sure isn't happening outside of small circles of friends and places of worship.
 

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It's really something to see how many people have done large amounts of DMT (100mg+ perfect hit) and are still devoid of any spirituality.
Drugs provide different experiences for different people. With DMT you're just as likely to end up with temporary impostor syndrome or the feeling that we're living in a simulation. Though I suppose the latter is kind of a point where spirituality, science, and technology all intersect.

Judging people's looks, then claiming it's a good idea to let foreigners come here, get educated here, then stay here the rest of their lives and take jobs that citizens could have had.
Unless you're a Native American, we're all immigrants to this land, bud. Corporations that choose to hire undocumented workers at half of minimum wage were never gonna consider hiring anybody else for those positions. The only surefire solution to that is severe punishments for the capitalists on top of the pyramid, and a path to citizenship for the workers on bottom so that they can no longer be exploited.

You also need to grow big enough balls to say "black people have a serious culture problem", which sure isn't happening outside of small circles of friends and places of worship.
Oh yeah, it takes real balls to rant to your all-white church group about how black people are the cause of all your problems and all of America's problems. :rolleyes:

Sorry, but so long as the media and capitalist propaganda is so easily able to keep you divided against people of the same economic status, you're the culture problem. Just another useful idiot for the ruling class to keep attached to puppet strings.
 
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Judging people's looks, then claiming it's a good idea to let foreigners come here, get educated here, then stay here the rest of their lives and take jobs that citizens could have had.
Depends, but actually yes. Jobs are not a finite market. If you have more demand (i.e. growing society), more jobs will be created. If you get people educated, they will "finance" more jobs via income, taxes, economic action they are taking... (i.e. they will employ other people too).

In a working society, refugees or migrants actually dont take away from economic activity, they add to it. There are limitations, like what if they arent getting jobs, because they couldnt integrate, but in general they add to society - especially, if they are fleeing from warzones far away, because, then its usually the rich and educated folks that make their way into the US.

So its never as simple as "they be taking me jobs".

Also usually they dont. (In the UK before Brexit maybe --). But usually many of them get a foothold in different sectors (low entry barriers, auxiliary jobs) in the beginning that ist.

So from the view of a state, its a higher initial investment to get them job ready, but starting with the second generation (their kids), they actually add to the economy.

If your economy is working of course...

If you let them rot in border towns, with no options, and people start to get the usual poverty malaises ("sicknesses" but less medical term ;) ), then no wonder that people get worried and angry looking at a bunch of them.

But usually speaking, and especially in the US economy - more "benefits money" just gets printed, because it ads to economic activity in the longer term.

To make sure 'usually' works, you need planning.

To make sure they dont come at all, you need cooperations with the american south. (Presuming you are talking mostly about people crossing the mexican border). Mostly in economic development. (Costs less there then in the US - important if you dont plan to upskill them, because US border communities only need a finite amount of fruitvendors (low barrier of entry jobs - that allow them to build a life). So the "job education" hump might be too steep/expensive for your economy - depending on several economic factors. But once that is sorted, or financed, its mostly plain sailing.

(edit: Maybe, not culturally - but economically. Old town gets new people > more people positive about the future of the town > investments flow > money flows into developments... People work for cheap, right? So its cheaper to build up stuff. (Higher profit margins, once you have it built. Then people may ask for more money, but lets say not above "union prices", so still cheap to build the stuff up, as an entrepreneur.)) If the economy is working.

If you want to read more about that, here: https://www.oecd.org/migration/OECD Migration Policy Debates Numero 2.pdf

Of course at every intersection something can go wrong, and problems may arise - Corporations f.e. might push for a higher influx of migrants, to get jobs in certain sectors fulfilled for less pay. If that is short term its usually a boost to that company (higher growth), if it is long term (money doesnt get invested back into their business), it becomes a problem, and the state needs to regulate. If most of your companies are in a "post growth" phase, (so already have invested and arent planning new investments anytime soon (lets say, because they are producing for export), and automation makes sure that you need higher job education to get your foot into the door, it might be easier to opt for a harsher migration policy - for a while) But in general more people wanting to be productive (work), usually (if there arent constraints that are hard to overcome) means economy will grow..)

The "they took me job" saying in general never held true. Statistically. In certain individual cases, of course it might.
 
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It's really something to see how many people have done large amounts of DMT (100mg+ perfect hit) and are still devoid of any spirituality.
One's experiences while their brain is drug-impaired isn't a good reason to think that a god, fairies, unicorns, UFO abductions, etc. exist.

Rather than explain why I came to these conclusions (in brief, holding a friends hand as he went cold after being take off life support
I'm sorry for your loss, but I am not sure how this is any reason to think a god or anything else supernatural exists. It is difficult to discern your exact point here, but it looks like you may be attempting an appeal to emotion, which is a logical fallacy.

and spending a great deal of time working w/ biololigists in the mid-late 90s
What about "working with biologists in the 90s" is rational justification for a god belief?

here is why the man who is credited w/ the discovery of DNA went from agnostic to absolute believer.

https://www.everystudent.com/wires/is-god-real.html
The argument appears to be that DNA is like a code, and therefore God exists, which isn't particularly convincing.

First, if DNA were a literal code, with an author and intelligent design, that wouldn't be evidence that a god exists. For all you know, for example, there is a species out there in the universe that arose through completely naturalistic processes who work similarly or differently to us, and then they made the code.

Second, DNA isn't literally a code. When we say it is like a code, that's an analogy to help people understand it better. There is nothing about DNA being analogous to a code or being complex that is evidence of intelligent design.

If DNA were an intelligently written code, it would probably be the shittiest and most inefficient code on this planet. There is ample evidence that the DNA of different species was "written" (that's another analogy) blindly over billions of years. It's filled with mistakes, inefficiencies, etc.

Judging people's looks, then claiming it's a good idea to let foreigners come here, get educated here, then stay here the rest of their lives and take jobs that citizens could have had.
First, and getting back on topic, DACA isn't about immigrants coming here; it's about immigrants who are already here and have been here effectively their whole lives after being brought here as kids.

Second, not counting Native Americans, the United States is broadly a country if immigrants, and welcoming immigrants has always been one of our guiding principles (with exceptions, of course).

Third, there's apparently a labor shortage here, particularly for menial jobs. However, there is also a demand for skilled labor too. There's very little downside, if any, to immigration broadly. Your nationalistic views betray what the United States stands for, and they betray your immigrant ancestors.

You also need to grow big enough balls to say "black people have a serious culture problem", which sure isn't happening outside of small circles of friends and places of worship.
That's an overgeneralized, unsubstantiated, and overtly racist statement. It sounds like you're perhaps demeaning a marginalized group of people and blaming them for your problems. There's a long history of that in the United States.

But w/ white people obsessing over identity all day, defending every opinion except that 'it's ok to be white and it doesn't mean you are racist' - I hope family lines like these - the wokes - die out sooner than later.
I don't think anybody is saying it isn't okay to be white. What isn't okay though is ignoring one's privilege being white, particularly when it comes to how white people built their wealth largely off the backs of people of color and by keeping them down with oppressive policies.
 

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What isn't okay though is ignoring one's privilege being white, particularly when it comes to how white people built their wealth largely off the backs of people of color and by keeping them down with oppressive policies
That's an overgeneralized, unsubstantiated, and overtly racist statement. It sounds like you're perhaps demeaning a marginalized group of people and blaming them for your problems.
 

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  1. It isn't racist, nor is it overgeneralized or unsubstantiated, to acknowledge slavery and racial oppression in US history and how they directly contributed to the racial inequalities that exist today.
  2. It is not demeaning to white people to acknowledge how the broad income inequalities in this country occurred.
It was an interesting try at a gotcha, but it wasn't a particularly good one.
 
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It isn't racist, nor is it overgeneralized or unsubstantiated, to acknowledge slavery and racial oppression in US history and how they directly contributed to the racial inequalities that exist today.
But that's not what you said. You personalized it. "one's privilege." The entire point of the privilege narrative is to place generalized blame on individuals in a group, despite the absence of individual fault (or even action). It is wrong for the same reason and in precisely the same way the modern, diluted meaning of "racism": you [individual person] are bad because [other people like you - not you - did/are something].

It was a lot better when leftists in this country were liberal.
 

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But that's not what you said. You personalized it. "one's privilege." The entire point of the privilege narrative is to place generalized blame on individuals in a group, despite the absence of individual fault (or even action). It is wrong for the same reason and in precisely the same way the modern, diluted meaning of "racism": you [individual person] are bad because [other people like you - not you - did/are something].

It was a lot better when leftists in this country were liberal.
Acknowledging one's privilege isn't to say you're "to blame" or "bad." That isn't what that means, so it isn't analogous with racism.
 
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Acknowledging one's privilege isn't to say you're "to blame" or "bad." That isn't what that means, so it isn't analogous with racism.
Anything you have to (or are being made to) apologize for is bad.

The net effect on society is identical. You [member of a group] are responsible for/defined by [actions attributed to the group].

"what it means" to the people pushing it is contrived. What it does, and how it functions, is the relevant measure.
 

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Anything you have to (or are being made to) apologize for is bad.

The net effect on society is identical. You [member of a group] are responsible for/defined by [actions attributed to the group].

"what it means" to the people pushing it is contrived. What it does, and how it functions, is the relevant measure.
There's a difference between checking one's privilege and apologizing for it. I suggest you do some reading on the topic, because you seem confused.
 

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There's a difference between checking one's privilege and apologizing for it. I suggest you do some reading on the topic, because you seem confused.
Do you deny people are being told/asked to apologize for their privilege in "antiracism training"?
 

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Real conservatives that used to believe in smaller Government, weren't full blown fascists and believed in actual states rights (not just as an excuse for subjugating minorities) and personal freedoms are long gone. Any remaining ones from the turn of the century like Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney are attacked and eaten by their own kind for not goose-stepping in line. Most of the time, I don't find the conservatives here on this site any different then ones on all of the other sites I visit. I mean, they all repeat the same nonsense from OAN and Fox News over and over again. I just rather not deal with the amount of stupid that comes along with discussing topics with racist, facist alt-right embracing seditious piles of shit. I'm fine with discussing topics with people that aren't part of some borderline cult of Trump.

oh man you're so, so close.... so I just spelled the fucking thing out for you.
 
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I have nothing to do with "antiracism training," good or bad, and it's irrelevant to anything I've said.
Mhm, you aren't responsible for your fellow travelers, you just endorse, support, and repeat exactly what they say. I await your condemnation of such "antiracism training" tactics as insisting people apologize if you care to contest the point.

But I'll humor you too, let's look at the actual thing you said here:

What isn't okay though is ignoring one's privilege being white
The only privilege that can come from "being white" is expressly based on racial group.

how white people built their wealth
Which white people, which wealth? Surely, not the body of all white people and which you expressly referred to in the preceding statement?

largely off the backs of people of color and by keeping them down with oppressive policies
So, still "all white people" then?

I apologize for implying that your statement was the equivalent of the modern, diluted meaning of racism. It's actually classic, old school racism: individuals are expressly responsible for the actions or accused failings of the group in which they are identified. You visit the sins of the father on the child, but more than that, you visit your prejudices against the race on the member.
 

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Mhm, you aren't responsible for your fellow travelers, you just endorse, support, and repeat exactly what they say. I await your condemnation of such "antiracism training" tactics as insisting people apologize if you care to contest the point.

But I'll humor you too, let's look at the actual thing you said here:


The only privilege that can come from "being white" is expressly based on racial group.


Which white people, which wealth? Surely, not the body of all white people and which you expressly referred to in the preceding statement?


So, still "all white people" then?

I apologize for implying that your statement was the equivalent of the modern, diluted meaning of racism. It's actually classic, old school racism: individuals are expressly responsible for the actions or accused failings of the group in which they are identified. You visit the sins of the father on the child, but more than that, you visit your prejudices against the race on the member.
Racial privilege exists, and it's only racist to deny that fact. I've already addressed if the child is responsible for the sins of the father (they aren't). However, people need to check their privilege and work towards a more just and equitable society.
 

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