Covid-19 vaccine

Deleted member 194275 · Jul 29, 2021

Lilith Valentine said:
The misinformation around vaccines and that it's safe to not get them. As well as trusting a lack of information about that comes from the anti-vax perspective. I am still going to ask, is there evidence to back up the anti-vax side and if so, why hasn't it been presented? Why aren't there any peer-reviewed research papers to back up any of the anti-vax beliefs?
There should be evidence to back up the anti-vax stance, considering how adamant people are about it, why hasn't anyone posted a single shred of creditable evidence?

from wikipedia:

Aichmophobia (/ˌeɪkməˈfoʊbiə/) is a kind of specific phobia, the morbid fear of sharp things,[1] such as pencils, needles, knives, darts, a pointing finger, or even the sharp end of an umbrella and different sorts of protruding corners or sharp edges in furnitures and building constructions/materials.

30% of my Country's adult population suffer from that, so I believe that an individual with such condition is more likely to grab on theories that back their fear saying that vaccines are not safe, or that the individual decision of not taking the shot will not hurt others.

I'm not saying that people with Aichmophobia are automatically an anti-vaxer, I am saying just that this group is large and probably is susceptible to that kind of theory.

PS.: I know there are also a large group of people who is just far right extremist, and anti vax is in their "package" of dogmas, but I am not talking about this very group right now.

The Catboy · Jul 29, 2021

lokomelo said:
from wikipedia:

Aichmophobia (/ˌeɪkməˈfoʊbiə/) is a kind of specific phobia, the morbid fear of sharp things,[1] such as pencils, needles, knives, darts, a pointing finger, or even the sharp end of an umbrella and different sorts of protruding corners or sharp edges in furnitures and building constructions/materials.

30% of my Country's adult population suffer from that, so I believe that an individual with such condition is more likely to grab on theories that back their fear saying that vaccines are not safe, or that the individual decision of not taking the shot will not hurt others.

I'm not saying that people with Aichmophobia are automatically an anti-vaxer, I am saying just that this group is large and probably is susceptible to that kind of theory.

PS.: I know there are also a large group of people who is just far right extremist, and anti vax is in their "package" of dogmas, but I am not talking about this very group right now.

I literally suffer from that, I can't get shots or have blood drawn without my wife there to comfort me and keep me distracted the entire time. She's literally seen me throw up from the panic from knowing that I was getting my blood drawn. I still got both my shots and still got my flu shot. The notion that this fear is reason enough to not get one's shot is a piss poor excuse at best. Fear of needles is not an excuse to believe vaccines are harmful, it's not an excuse to not get vaccinated if you aren't suffering from any condition to prevent you from doing so.
My request is still, I want to see some actual research and peer-reviewed papers to back up the anti-vax movements.

Deleted member 559230 · Jul 29, 2021

After reading the last few pages I'm left dumbfounded on why anyone would be entertaining the Liberals on this board with regards to whether or not they want to get vaccinated or not. It's my God damned body and I'll put what I want into it. You (the Liberal) have no right to dictate to me what I will or will not put in my body. Period.

Lacius · Jul 29, 2021

KingVamp said:
Forgot this.

Ironically, while I didn't look it, base on how they work, the mRNA one is probably safer.

While I understand this notion, if I had the choice (and I did), I would get the more effective one, if I'm going be jabbed anyway.

Don't get me wrong. The mRNA vaccines do appear to be both safer and more effective. However, the J&J vaccine is also safe and effective.

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JonhathonBaxster said:
After reading the last few pages I'm left dumbfounded on why anyone would be entertaining the Liberals on this board with regards to whether or not they want to get vaccinated or not. It's my God damned body and I'll put what I want into it. You (the Liberal) have no right to dictate to me what I will or will not put in my body. Period. Fuck all and fuck you.

Nobody here is forcing you to get vaccinated.

We are acknowledging the safety of the vaccines, the efficacy of the vaccines, the fact that it's in your best interest to get the vaccine if you don't want to contract COVID-19 and potentially suffer serious or long-term effects, and the moral imperative of getting vaccinated when your odds of spreading the disease are higher if you don't get vaccinated.

The Catboy · Jul 29, 2021

JonhathonBaxster said:
After reading the last few pages I'm left dumbfounded on why anyone would be entertaining the Liberals on this board with regards to whether or not they want to get vaccinated or not. It's my God damned body and I'll put what I want into it. You (the Liberal) have no right to dictate to me what I will or will not put in my body. Period. Fuck all and fuck you.

First, I am not a Liberal.
Second, being asked to provide evidence to back up anti-vax claims isn't forcing anyone to do anything. No one is trying to force you to get a vaccination. People are asking for anti-vaxxors to provide actual evidence to their claims and pointing out the flaws in their beliefs. There's plenty of evidence to show that vaccines are safe and to show the harmful nature of the anti-vax movement. It should be expected of those against vaccines to provide some solid reasons outside pushing paranoid beliefs.

Foxi4 · Jul 29, 2021

Dakitten said:
I'll take Foxi being a bit disingenuous and smug all day every day over this sort of madness.

The heck? What do I look like, a punching bag? I am a very sincere man and I'll have you know that I'm precisely as smart (and handsome, and correct) as I claim to be. On top of that, I am a paragon of humility. Ehh, kids these days...

Dakitten · Jul 29, 2021

alexander1970 said:
You said,you wear a Mask and you never got Covid.Very good,Really.
A very nice Example.

Are you now vaccinated ?
For the Example you brought and for the Pro Vaccination Side,the Fact,you can still get Covid (of course with not so hard Symptoms).

So one Point if you allow please (and it is nothing against you and your Post,my Friend.).

Would you be so nice and kind and can you please explain me the Logic of Vaccination ALL People with the Example from @SG854 please ?
(I am willing to understand the ONE View....)

I hope I made my Question really clear and with no Offending please.
Thank you.

alexander1970 said:
Yes,it was an "Accident,I want an Answer from our User @Dakitten

I corrected it,and.......no Answer until now.....

Dakitten said:
Sure, I'll take a jab at it (yay reusing jokes!) as best I can. The vaccination reduces the chance of catching the virus, with the side benefit of quicker recovery times with less side effects. The end result is more people being immune or at least resistant to the virus and its deviant strains. The fewer times the virus can incubate in people, the less it mutates and the lower the chance of a breakthrough infection, or worse, a variant that can bypass our present vaccination. This also helps to protect those who can't get the vaccine, like children and those with preexisting conditions, who might not die or suffer extreme complications very often, but more often than complications from healthy adults taking the vaccine.

It was edited a couple minutes after my first post, because you misquoted me and I hadn't seen it at first as a result. Hope that helps clear things up a bit! Though to help you with one of your later posts...

alexander1970 said:
If you get Covid and have the real hard Symptoms:
THAT is 100 Percent true.View attachment 271547

As is well known,long-term Consequences/Phenomena are not yet known.

Its true, there is a chance that taking the vaccine could turn us all into rampaging sexy chad/chadette megamonsters! Or octopi! But in all fairness, there really isn't any likelihood for long term complications based on the science, so there isn't really a good reason not to get it.

JonhathonBaxster said:
After reading the last few pages I'm left dumbfounded on why anyone would be entertaining the Liberals on this board with regards to whether or not they want to get vaccinated or not. It's my God damned body and I'll put what I want into it. You (the Liberal) have no right to dictate to me what I will or will not put in my body. Period.

Maybe not the liberals, but as the reincarnation of Stalitler the Commie Nazi, I am coming for your unvaccinated blood! Wooooo!

No but seriously, the point EVERYONE has been making is that you don't have to get it, but if you don't, you're being ignorant at best and a jerk at worst.

SG854 · Jul 29, 2021

tabzer said:
Herd immunity is stapled to popularity. The projection was you saying that I was twisting things, and then immediately saying a twisted statement--attributing my skepticism of the mrna vaccine to be based on popularity, which was as ironic as was a projection. If you can't understand that, then it's okay.

I'll give you this one. Kinda hypocritical though that you say that I twist things when you were the first one that twisted what I originally said which led me to the response I made trying to figure you out.

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JonhathonBaxster said:
After reading the last few pages I'm left dumbfounded on why anyone would be entertaining the Liberals on this board with regards to whether or not they want to get vaccinated or not. It's my God damned body and I'll put what I want into it. You (the Liberal) have no right to dictate to me what I will or will not put in my body. Period.

Not a political issue. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue. I see many people the lean right that support vaccines.

Valwinz · Jul 29, 2021

So if the Vaccine works why are people that took it getting sick with Covid anyway?
a Mayor here that took it and got his 2 shots is right now at the hospital dying and he got vaccinated explain that one

SG854 · Jul 29, 2021

Valwinz said:
So if the Vaccine works why are people that took it getting sick with Covid anyway?
a Mayor here that took it and got his 2 shots is right now at the hospital dying and he got vaccinated explain that one

Because its not 100%. But % of survival is higher with the vaccine.

Dakitten · Jul 29, 2021

Valwinz said:
So if the Vaccine works why are people that took it getting sick with Covid anyway?
a Mayor here that took it and got his 2 shots is right now at the hospital dying and he got vaccinated explain that one

No problem! You see, no vaccine is 100% effective, as not every person has the same reaction to the vaccine and the virus itself can mutate. Even still, said mayor's survival rate goes up with the vaccination, as is his chance of avoiding long term complications. Furthermore, if more people in his orbit were vaccinated, his chance of having caught it in the first place would go down, too~

RocaBOT · Jul 29, 2021

Valwinz said:
So if the Vaccine works why are people that took it getting sick with Covid anyway?
a Mayor here that took it and got his 2 shots is right now at the hospital dying and he got vaccinated explain that one

Dakitten said:
Furthermore, if more people in his orbit were vaccinated, his chance of having caught it in the first place would go down, too~

That basically explains it. The vaccine is not to blame, but reluctant people in his circle potentially are, as they're the ones who likely transmitted it to him because they're not protected themselves. Vaccination is a game of numbers, only works if enough people follow it that the spread is slowed enough to protect those for whom it didn't work as intended and those who can't be vaccinated because of underlying health conditions.
Always has been the case, and will always be.

linuxares · Jul 29, 2021

Valwinz said:
So if the Vaccine works why are people that took it getting sick with Covid anyway?
a Mayor here that took it and got his 2 shots is right now at the hospital dying and he got vaccinated explain that one

The Delta variant. Also the vaccines are 95% effective. Not 100% effective. No vaccine is 100% effective.

Lacius · Jul 29, 2021

Valwinz said:
So if the Vaccine works why are people that took it getting sick with Covid anyway?
a Mayor here that took it and got his 2 shots is right now at the hospital dying and he got vaccinated explain that one

In the United States, approximately 99.5% of COVID-19 deaths are unvaccinated. The best possible defense against COVID-19, especially death by COVID-19, is the vaccine, despite the fact that it's not 100% effective.

BitMasterPlus · Jul 29, 2021

Kind of funny since even Biden said if you take the vaccine, you won't catch covid, and yet some vaccinated people get covid. "B-B-B-But that's because more people have to take the vaccine." OK, but from what most people who encourage you to take the vaccine, they sell it to you and make it seem like you won't get covid once you get it, like Biden for example. Yeah, no vaccine is 100% effective, but what some here don't get is that people like Biden are saying if you get the vaccine you're 100% immune, not less likely to get covid but you still can, that's one of the problems. the constant mixed messaging. You have the right to take the shot or not, but don't blame people for not doing so when all this shit isn't even consistent to begin with.

Dakitten · Jul 29, 2021

BitMasterPlus said:
Kind of funny since even Biden said if you take the vaccine, you won't catch covid, and yet some vaccinated people get covid. "B-B-B-But that's because more people have to take the vaccine." OK, but from what most people who encourage you to take the vaccine, they sell it to you and make it seem like you won't get covid once you get it, like Biden for example. Yeah, no vaccine is 100% effective, but what some here don't get is that people like Biden are saying if you get the vaccine you're 100% immune, not less likely to get covid but you still can, that's one of the problems. the constant mixed messaging. You have the right to take the shot or not, but don't blame people for not doing so when all this shit isn't even consistent to begin with.

Buddy guy, are you feeling okay? Got a fever? Dizziness? Disorientation? Because Biden has made several statements talking about herd immunity, but I can't recall hearing him say anything implying invincibility to the disease. Even if he had, it doesn't take away from the point folks are making again, and again, and again, and again. You've never got anything to add but the diarrhea spewing from your agape mouth-hole, so please... shut all the fluff up. Got a source? Don't even share it, it doesn't matter. Biden isn't Fauci. Just do everyone a favor and go away.

Lacius · Jul 29, 2021

BitMasterPlus said:
Kind of funny since even Biden said if you take the vaccine, you won't catch covid, and yet some vaccinated people get covid. "B-B-B-But that's because more people have to take the vaccine." OK, but from what most people who encourage you to take the vaccine, they sell it to you and make it seem like you won't get covid once you get it, like Biden for example. Yeah, no vaccine is 100% effective, but what some here don't get is that people like Biden are saying if you get the vaccine you're 100% immune, not less likely to get covid but you still can, that's one of the problems. the constant mixed messaging. You have the right to take the shot or not, but don't blame people for not doing so when all this shit isn't even consistent to begin with.

It's generally true that a vaccinated person is very unlikely to contract COVID-19, although the presence of the willfully unvaccinated is increasing that likelihood.

I don't disagree with your nitpick of what Biden said (if he said it), but it's wrong to suggest it's somehow an egregious error.

BitMasterPlus · Jul 29, 2021

Dakitten said:
Buddy guy, are you feeling okay? Got a fever? Dizziness? Disorientation? Because Biden has made several statements talking about herd immunity, but I can't recall hearing him say anything implying invincibility to the disease. Even if he had, it doesn't take away from the point folks are making again, and again, and again, and again. You've never got anything to add but the diarrhea spewing from your agape mouth-hole, so please... shut all the fluff up. Got a source? Don't even share it, it doesn't matter. Biden isn't Fauci. Just do everyone a favor and go away.

So either some are in denial, or that is a very good Joe Biden video edit. And don't even get me stated on Fauci. He is a dangerous man.

Xzi · Jul 29, 2021

BitMasterPlus said:
You have the right to take the shot or not, but don't blame people for not doing so when all this shit isn't even consistent to begin with.

I will blame them for choosing not to get it, just as the doctors and nurses who treat them understand that nobody else is to blame. In a lot of places, whole hospital staffs are walking off the job with the realization that 98% of new infections come from the unvaccinated, and an even higher percentage of severe cases that require hospitalization. If you wanna commit suicide that's one thing, but committing it slowly by using coronavirus causes a whole lot of problems for a whole lot of people, many of whom you've never met before.

Full authorization and mandates can't come soon enough. You can't save everyone from themselves, and I'm sure it'll trigger more attacks from Vanilla ISIS in "protest," but it's the only way we're gonna get anywhere close to herd immunity.

SG854 · Jul 29, 2021

BitMasterPlus said:
Kind of funny since even Biden said if you take the vaccine, you won't catch covid, and yet some vaccinated people get covid. "B-B-B-But that's because more people have to take the vaccine." OK, but from what most people who encourage you to take the vaccine, they sell it to you and make it seem like you won't get covid once you get it, like Biden for example. Yeah, no vaccine is 100% effective, but what some here don't get is that people like Biden are saying if you get the vaccine you're 100% immune, not less likely to get covid but you still can, that's one of the problems. the constant mixed messaging. You have the right to take the shot or not, but don't blame people for not doing so when all this shit isn't even consistent to begin with.

The science has been consistent. Immunity is not 100%. And they been saying that since the beginning. People wrongly interpreting the science does not mean the science itself was never consistent. So what you do is correct people on the actually numbers.

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