Blue State coalition (CA) banning energy inefficient gaming PCs

r5xscn · Jul 29, 2021

Xzi said:
Interesting that they didn't ban consoles as well/instead, because those consumed more than twice the power of PCs in the same time frame.

I wonder what is your source on the power consumption of consoles being twice as much as PC.
PS5 power consumption:
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/how-much-electricity-power-does-a-ps5-use/
Idle 80W (a bit high but not double).
Games, 180W

2060 Super (similar processing power)
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super/30.html
GPU only,
Idle 8 W, (probably around 50~60W with the whole PC).
Games, 184 Watt (probably around 250w total).

I think the banned PC is based on I7 11900K and 3080 or higher. Those can consume 400w+ on average when gaming.
Now, let's see Switch, it consumes ~10W on handheld mode. Of course, the graphics are not comparable, but the power consumption is awesome.

Hopefully, future PC hardwares and consoles will be more power-efficient.

Xzi · Jul 29, 2021

r5xscn said:
I wonder what is your source on the power consumption of consoles being twice as much as PC.
PS5 power consumption:
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/how-much-electricity-power-does-a-ps5-use/
Idle 80W (a bit high but not double).
Games, 180W

2060 Super (similar processing power)
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super/30.html
GPU only,
Idle 8 W, (probably around 50~60W with the whole PC).
Games, 184 Watt (probably around 250w total).

I think the banned PC is based on I7 11900K and 3080 or higher. Those can consume 400w+ on average when gaming.
Now, let's see Switch, it consumes ~10W on handheld mode. Of course, the graphics are not comparable, but the power consumption is awesome.

Hopefully, future PC hardwares and consoles will be more power-efficient.

To be fair, there are way more consoles (combined) in any given state than gaming PCs, so it makes sense that they drew more energy in the same time frame. Source is in the post you quoted, which itself quoted a press release I believe.

Deleted User · Jul 29, 2021

r5xscn said:
I wonder what is your source on the power consumption of consoles being twice as much as PC.
PS5 power consumption:
https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/how-much-electricity-power-does-a-ps5-use/
Idle 80W (a bit high but not double).
Games, 180W

2060 Super (similar processing power)
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super/30.html
GPU only,
Idle 8 W, (probably around 50~60W with the whole PC).
Games, 184 Watt (probably around 250w total).

I think the banned PC is based on I7 11900K and 3080 or higher. Those can consume 400w+ on average when gaming.
Now, let's see Switch, it consumes ~10W on handheld mode. Of course, the graphics are not comparable, but the power consumption is awesome.

Hopefully, future PC hardwares and consoles will be more power-efficient.

That my friend.
Is a extremely gross comparison. It's not even the actual regulation afaik. The machine needs to be ERP ready. Which basically means that rather than having all things in shutdown still semi powered. So usb ports, ethernet port and so on. That those are actually off. And the system while shutdown doesn't use anymore than 0.5 wats.

r5xscn · Jul 29, 2021

Reual said:
That my friend.
Is a extremely gross comparison. It's not even the actual regulation afaik. The machine needs to be ERP ready. Which basically means that rather than having all things in shutdown still semi powered. So usb ports, ethernet port and so on. That those are actually off. And the system while shutdown doesn't use anymore than 0.5 wats.

I see. I am sorry that I did not check the regulation.

If it only checks the standby power, then it is definitely a flawed regulation. It should be just a BIOS option for the sleep states.

Deleted User · Jul 29, 2021

I say it's a gross comparison since your comparing a rtx 2060 super. Which is not the standard for power efficiency especially since the rtx 3060, same price MRSP. Draws at max 170 wats, with a higher performance ratio. I know your comparing performance but it's just not wise with the rtx 20 line.

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r5xscn said:
I see. I am sorry that I did not check the regulation.

If it only checks the standby power, then it is definitely a flawed regulation. It should be just a BIOS option for the sleep states.

I'm sure there's more than that regulation wise. I'm still looking into it.

Deleted User · Jul 29, 2021

r5xscn said:
I see. I am sorry that I did not check the regulation.

If it only checks the standby power, then it is definitely a flawed regulation. It should be just a BIOS option for the sleep states.

Well the thing is, this was enacted in 2016. So DELL knew for a quite a long while.So the fact they weren't compliant is silly.
https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/14669/no-california-is-not-banning-gaming-pcs
here's a less click baity article.

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And the regulations only apply to sleep or idle, so indeed, should just be bios options, but that also means the hardware needs to support it, which as to why dell didn't do that is kinda dumb.

The Catboy · Jul 29, 2021

Seliph said:
Who is "harassing manufacturers"? No one is doing this (more people should, however). Why are you willingly defending one of the biggest tech companies in the world? This is goofy. Dell has more than enough to make slightly better Alienware computers that are compliant with regulations. They are a multi-billion dollar company, they have literally more money than the combined gdp of several countries. Blame Dell's greed. If they spent a tiny bit more on making better computers then this wouldn't be an issue. This is Dell's fault.

Jimbo just makes shit up only so he can be mad about something. Which seems to be a very common thing with a few other members.

ChrisMCNBVA · Jul 29, 2021

what's wrong with people

Deleted member 559230 · Jul 29, 2021

ChrisMCNBVA said:
what's wrong with people

Some how the lawmakers in California and other blue states think that gaming PC's consume too much electricity when there's literally thousands of other devices, rigs, setups that consume way more. I'm not sure what motivated these idiots to try to ban power hungry computers, but like most policies that come out of that fucked up state it makes no damned sense. Fuck the lawmakers and fuck the policy. Just build your own.

ZeroT21 · Jul 29, 2021

For lawmakers, being able to put a law they preach into effect is like some kinda badge of honor, regardless of consensus

Deleted member 668561 · Jul 31, 2021

Why you build your own desktop

SG854 · Jul 31, 2021

The way this is written you can easily find loopholes around this. And you can be sure companies will devote time to finding and exposing those loopholes.

Companies can add unnecessary things the system doesn't need like extra ram and sata ports or pci-e slots to take advantage of the expandability score, instead of re-engineering the power supply.

Taleweaver · Jul 31, 2021

It's an interesting discussion. I'm all fine with regulating power limitations on pc's. As mentioned : this isn't going to put anyone out of business. And unless I'm reading things wrong, it's not like someone's going to just in your home to confiscate your pc.

It's just a bit one sided. I see one camp arguing over how little it impacts, how it should have been related a long time, that tech companies can easily apply, and so on.
... And a single other camp who's only argument is 'I just don't like the regulators'.

Jayro · Jul 31, 2021

I'm sorry, but I will consume any and all electricity that I pay for on my power bill. Nobody else needs to nanny my power usage. (Usually $55-$65 USD /mo, which ain't bad at all.)

KingVamp · Aug 1, 2021

So they had time and yet still refuse to make better PCs? Just means companies with better PCs can fill that void instead.

Jayro said:
I'm sorry, but I will consume any and all electricity that I pay for on my power bill. Nobody else needs to nanny my power usage. (Usually $55-$65 USD /mo, which ain't bad at all.)

Except this isn't about regulating your individual power usage. If anything, this could even lead to a lower power bill without even changing your lifestyle. This is about getting more efficient and more environmental friendly technology from companies that refuse to move on.

jimbo13 · Aug 1, 2021

KingVamp said:
So they had time and yet still refuse to make better PCs? Just means companies with better PCs can fill that void instead.

Except this isn't about regulating your individual power usage. If anything, this could even lead to a lower power bill without even changing your lifestyle. This is about getting more efficient and more environmental friendly technology from companies that refuse to move on.

Real reach of opinion there considering some of the most efficient mini-atx systems don't meet the stupidity of the requirements.

chrisrlink · Aug 4, 2021

Viri said:
Okay, so are they going after the Bitcoin miners? lol

well that's one way to stop scalpers (at least for GPU's) indirectly

jimbo13 · Aug 4, 2021

chrisrlink said:
well that's one way to stop scalpers (at least for GPU's) indirectly

How would it do that? Considering it limits your options for buying a pre-built and will increase demand for self built since they aren't regulated the likely hood of needing a scalped card increases.

MikaDubbz · Aug 4, 2021

I blame the damn cryptocurrency miners spiking up all this wattage usage over the past few years with their dumb computers endlessly running code.

weatMod · Aug 4, 2021

Xzi said:
Yeah and also crypto miners. Can't crack down on them without potentially hurting gamers a bit, unfortunately.

Besides, all these pre-built sellers have to do is put better PSUs in their systems to become compliant, instead of cheap ones that explode or fail after a week despite being rated way over the necessary wattage for the other components.

pretty sure this was debunked
go to Elons twitter
the banking system, precious metal mining and many other things use a lot more energy than crypto

the real waste of energy is in the production of shitty Dell and alienware prebuilts in the first place

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