Covid-19 vaccine

jimbo13 · Jul 24, 2021

Lilith Valentine said:
Shame if they are, they are missing out on some occasional quality posts of mine, outside of calling out their dangerous ignorance. On that note

You most likely put a lot more “manmade” products into your body than you are willing to accept. Chances are high that each plant you are growing is made with a GMO seed, either from plants that were specifically bred to make better fruits, be more pest resistant, and so on. Most fruits and vegetables we eat are products of centuries of human intervention to make something better for humans to eat. There’s the added fact that unless you are buying all of your meat directly from farmers, you are most likely consuming manmade food coloring. I also have my doubts that you’ve never been vaccinated as chances are high that you did get vaccinated as a child. Most schools require some vaccinations. This also coupled with the likelihood that you are older than social media mass hysteria around vaccines. This isn’t to say it’s impossible but extremely unlikely that you haven’t received a single vaccination.

I intentionally buy heirloom seeds and know the source, I am a bee keeper, mycologist and hunt exotic culinary products such as truffles seasonally I am in the organic food business. I live in a National forest, the majority of my income is selling boutique products during the tourist season. The only proteins I ingest are Fish, Chicken, Elk & Bison which I hunt or harvest myself. I haven't even been inside a commercial grocery for about 3 years.

I am surrounded by medical professionals my Grandfather is a MD, my Grandmother my mother are NPs, my sisters a vet and my brother's a chiropractor and spent 12 years in Beijing studying traditional Chinese medicine and I am sure the only injections I have ever had was a B12 shot and saline when I had a bad weight cut when I was wrestling in college (I just double checked).

Do I get more man made shit in my system that I want? Sure I probably do but anyone would be hard pressed to find it, thanks for your concern.

The Catboy · Jul 24, 2021

BitMasterPlus said:
And I am sure they are equally glad you're ignoring them as well.

I’ve decided to come back and give a better answer here. I’ve only started ignoring people who have a history of posting malicious and dangerous content. I know that’s subjective, so honestly I won’t debate what constitutes those requirements because no one wins. I don’t just block people I disagree with, as that’s not a good means of learning. I also tend to keep a lot of people I have concerns about unblocked and even followed. There quite a few people in this thread that I have been considering reaching out to because I don’t think they are being very honest with themselves. I think a lot of them are most likely being disingenuous and I am interested in getting to know them. I do believe that a lot of issues are based on fear, ignorance, and getting swept up in social movement.

Lacius · Jul 24, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Bullshit. Just because there is a small fringe that believes this or memes it as a joke does not make it a wide spread belief.

It's more akin to someone photo bombing a protest with a unwelcome flag to make people look bad. "Magnetic" people has been a thing long before Covid. You commonly see this in Asia and South America and have for decades.

20% of Americans believe the vaccines "definitely or probably" contain microchips. Among Trump supporters, the number is 29%. Among Biden supporters, it's 8%. It is a widespread belief.

I recommend knowing what you're talking about instead of just posting what feels right. You'll look less foolish and make a lot fewer mistakes that way.

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jimbo13 said:
I intentionally buy heirloom seeds and know the source, I am a bee keeper, mycologist and hunt exotic culinary products such as truffles seasonally I am in the organic food business. I live in a National forest, the majority of my income is selling boutique products during the tourist season. The only proteins I ingest are Fish, Chicken, Elk & Bison which I hunt or harvest myself. I haven't even been inside a commercial grocery for about 3 years.

I am surrounded by medical professionals my Grandfather is a MD, my Grandmother my mother are NPs, my sisters a vet and my brother's a chiropractor and spent 12 years in Beijing studying traditional Chinese medicine and I am sure the only injections I have ever had was a B12 shot and saline when I had a bad weight cut when I was wrestling in college (I just double checked).

Do I get more man made shit in my system that I want? Sure I probably do but anyone would be hard pressed to find it, thanks for your concern.

It's literally a logical fallacy to say human-made = bad, but natural = good.

smf · Jul 24, 2021

Lacius said:
20% of Americans believe the vaccines "definitely or probably" contain microchips. Among Trump supporters, the number is 29%. Among Biden supporters, it's 8%. It is a widespread belief.

I'm surprised it's so low, that means there are people who aren't completely gullible but still support Trump.

I guess those are the racists.

Bladexdsl · Jul 24, 2021

Vaccines are pointless now chinas perfect manmade lab created virus just keeps mutating and gets more and more resistant. delta is already immune to the vaccine even the Pfizer one.

ut2k4master · Jul 24, 2021

Bladexdsl said:
Vaccines are pointless now chinas perfect manmade lab created virus just keeps mutating and gets more and more resistant. delta is already immune to the vaccine even the Pfizer one.

again nothing but idiotic conspiracy theories and lies from you.
the vaccines still work, even if less effective

Lacius · Jul 24, 2021

Bladexdsl said:
Vaccines are pointless now chinas perfect manmade lab created virus just keeps mutating and gets more and more resistant. delta is already immune to the vaccine even the Pfizer one.

A couple of things:

There is no evidence the virus was human-created. In fact, there is genetic evidence that it was naturally occurring.
The vaccines are still effective against the delta variant, albeit they are less effective against the delta variant vs. other forms of the virus. For Pfizer specifically, the vaccine is approximately 80% effective against the delta variant, vs. 90-95% effective against other forms of the virus.

Before posting easily debunked nonsense, please do some research first. Thank you.

MMX · Jul 24, 2021

jimbo13 said:
Skydiving is incredibly safe, not everyone wants to jump out of a plane.

I'm sorry I can't hear your partisan bullshit over the crickets of Cumo killing thousands of peoples grand parents then covering it up.

Trump did not get on television like Fauci did and lie about masking or spend 6 months shouting the battle cry "Debunked" when addressing a Wuhan lab origin.

jimbo there is no point talking to these people. it doesn't matter what the topic is, name whatever Globalist agenda - they'll do free advertising and promo for it.

my prediction is the governments of the world will shut down everything again and blame unvaccinated for it. the now 70% vaccinated will happily agree to new laws and they'll force vaccinate the rest. they basically let the leash on the population a little go so they can reel it tighter back in and say "this is the enemy".
eventually every 6-month vaccinations will be mandatory.

Lacius · Jul 24, 2021

MMX said:
my prediction is the governments of the world will shut down everything again and blame unvaccinated for it.

People would be right to blame the unvaccinated for this and anything else that happens as a direct consequence of people willfully forgoing the vaccine.

SG854 · Jul 24, 2021

jimbo13 said:
I intentionally buy heirloom seeds and know the source, I am a bee keeper, mycologist and hunt exotic culinary products such as truffles seasonally I am in the organic food business. I live in a National forest, the majority of my income is selling boutique products during the tourist season. The only proteins I ingest are Fish, Chicken, Elk & Bison which I hunt or harvest myself. I haven't even been inside a commercial grocery for about 3 years.

I am surrounded by medical professionals my Grandfather is a MD, my Grandmother my mother are NPs, my sisters a vet and my brother's a chiropractor and spent 12 years in Beijing studying traditional Chinese medicine and I am sure the only injections I have ever had was a B12 shot and saline when I had a bad weight cut when I was wrestling in college (I just double checked).

Do I get more man made shit in my system that I want? Sure I probably do but anyone would be hard pressed to find it, thanks for your concern.

Lilith isn't wrong your are putting in your body lots of man made fruits and vegetables that was domesticated for thousands of years to produce desirable edible results.

Lots of animals were domesticated by humans to grow up faster and produce more meat.

You are eating organic food that was selectively breed/man made by centuries of humans and by you.

Covid Vaccine is created from man made ingredients that was obtained from things that came from nature.

MMX · Jul 24, 2021

Lacius said:
People would be right to blame the unvaccinated for this and anything else that happens as a direct consequence of people willfully forgoing the vaccine.

I disagree and I'll decide for my own body.

Lacius · Jul 24, 2021

MMX said:
I disagree and I'll decide for my own body.

Nobody is saying it isn't your choice whether or not to get vaccinated, but don't pretend the continued spread of the virus in the United States, and the likelihood emerging variants, are anybody's fault other than the unvaccinated.

It's a demonstrable fact, not an opinion.

SG854 · Jul 25, 2021

Covid Vaccine vewy scary

You are a bunch of wimps

8BitWonder · Jul 25, 2021

MMX said:
I disagree and I'll decide for my own body.

How do you think the virus spread throughout 2020?

It spread through those that were susceptible and that could transmit it to others.
E.g. Everyone

Now vaccines are available and folks are immunizing themselves to prevent the spread and their own infection, while several others are keeping themselves susceptible despite the availability of a vaccine.

Saying the unvaccinated aren't largely the cause of the virus' continued spread is like saying it wasn't the fault of anyone in 2020.
People weren't immune to it in 2020, so it spread through them.
Now people are choosing not to be immune to it, and it is continuing to spreading through them in 2021.

MMX · Jul 25, 2021

Lacius said:
Nobody is saying it isn't your choice whether or not to get vaccinated, but don't pretend the continued spread of the virus in the United States, and the likelihood emerging variants, are anybody's fault other than the unvaccinated.

It's a demonstrable fact, not an opinion.

didn't they say most people in the hospital are now unvaccinated and dying? then the problem will sort itself out.

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8BitWonder said:
How do you think the virus spread throughout 2020?

It spread through those that were susceptible and that could transmit it to others.
E.g. Everyone

Now vaccines are available and folks are immunizing themselves to prevent the spread and their own infection, while several others are keeping themselves susceptible despite the availability of a vaccine.

Saying the unvaccinated aren't largely the cause of the virus' continued spread is like saying it wasn't the fault of anyone in 2020.
People weren't immune to it in 2020, so it spread through them.
Now people are choosing not to be immune to it, and it is continuing to spreading through them in 2021.

fact check: you're not immune after the vaccinations. it's even unclear if vaccinated people stop transmission of the virus.

the most grave error is vaccinated people that break all rules of social distancing, wearing masks, restricting travel, restricting social contacts.. from what I see in my daily life they are the most irresponsible. Obviously I can't speak for everyone. but the rules are here to stay permanently.

smf · Jul 25, 2021

MMX said:
didn't they say most people in the hospital are now unvaccinated and dying? then the problem will sort itself out.

But some of them are bound to survive.

Lacius · Jul 25, 2021

MMX said:
didn't they say most people in the hospital are now unvaccinated and dying? then the problem will sort itself out.

While this is true (99.5% of COVID-19 deaths in the USA are unvaccinated), this isn't the problem "sorting itself out." With the disease continuing to spread unchecked because of the unvaccinated, breakthrough infections among the vaccinated are more common. In addition, with the disease continuing the spread among the unvaccinated, that increases the odds that it will mutate and/or hybridize with other coronaviruses and become more infectious and/or deadly. New variants are likely to make the currently available vaccines less effective.

This is the problem, not the problem sorting itself out.

MMX said:
fact check: you're not immune after the vaccinations. it's even unclear if vaccinated people stop transmission of the virus.

The vaccines have been demonstrated to offer resistance to contracting and spreading the disease. And if a vaccinated person suffers a breakthrough infection (which is rare but more likely if the disease is spreading unchecked due to the large number of people choosing not to be vaccinated), vaccinated people are still less likely to spread the disease due to their lower viral loads.

MMX said:
the most grave error is vaccinated people that break all rules of social distancing, wearing masks, restricting travel, restricting social contacts.. from what I see in my daily life they are the most irresponsible. Obviously I can't speak for everyone. but the rules are here to stay permanently.

Vaccinated people generally shouldn't have to social distance, wear masks, etc., both in public and especially when only around other vaccinated people. The reason that's starting to change is because so many people are unvaccinated. In other words, vaccinated people aren't breaking the rules when those rules don't apply to them.

WiiCurious · Jul 25, 2021

Lacius said:
20% of Americans believe the vaccines "definitely or probably" contain microchips. Among Trump supporters, the number is 29%. Among Biden supporters, it's 8%. It is a widespread belief.

I don't think the vaccines contain microchips.

If I am given a survey asking me if I think vaccines contain microchips, I am 100% answering yes.

I would also say I believe in Jewish Space Lasers, Reptilian overlords, and that vaccines cause autism.

Seriously, the only reason to take a survey is to completely invalidate the data being collected. Why would anybody honestly answer a survey when they have no reason to answer truthfully?

If somebody wants me to take their survey, I'm going to have fun with it.

Lacius · Jul 25, 2021

WiiCurious said:
I don't think the vaccines contain microchips.

If I am given a survey asking me if I think vaccines contain microchips, I am 100% answering yes.

I would also say I believe in Jewish Space Lasers, Reptilian overlords, and that vaccines cause autism.

Seriously, the only reason to take a survey is to completely invalidate the data being collected. Why would anybody honestly answer a survey when they have no reason to answer truthfully?

If somebody wants me to take their survey, I'm going to have fun with it.

There's no evidence that's what happened, and your post says a lot more about you than it does about the survey results.

WiiCurious · Jul 25, 2021

Lacius said:
There's no evidence that's what happened, and your post says a lot more about you than it does about the survey results.

I know exactly what it says about me and I'm totally okay with it. I have no responsibility to make data collection easy.

How do you control for people lying on surveys? The burden of proof is on the people reporting the data.
I say that the data is invalid and all respondents lied. There's literally no way to refute my claim.
What is this 'evidence' that nobody lied on the survey?

Or is this another example of the fact that you lack the ability to think scientifically?

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