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I have not stated ANYTHING that implies they went to war. I stated invasion, invasion, does not have to mean military.
I could say coach roaches are invading my house right now, and it would make sense. The CIA, right, invaded chille, which is by extension, the united states. The United States, DIRECTLY interfered, they effectively invaded.
Do I have to make myself anymore clear than that?
Oh, you made yourself very clear. You made it clear that you don't know what an invasion is, but you insist on using the term regardless.

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Viva Chile - skyrocketing into prosperity as soon as they removed the socialist regime and dissolved the junta, at an unprecedented trajectory not seen in the years before. Friedman was right, you're wrong.
 

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Microsoft is capitalism/democracy - with their goal of a computer on every desktop. Sun MicroSytem is communism/socialist where the users are only given a screen and a keyboard, the processing is done in the centralized mainframe computer. Now the world is moving to Sun MicroSystem way of computing - which is similar in concept to cloud computing where the processing is not local.

Democracy is giving power to the individuals, where every node matters - which is where Blockchain is heading, and this relies on having processing done locally. Cloud computing is the opposite, it's taking power away from the individuals and having a centralized processing system.
 
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Viva Chile - skyrocketing into prosperity as soon as they removed the socialist regime and dissolved the junta, at an unprecedented trajectory not seen in the years before. Friedman was right, you're wrong.
Holy shit you seriously can't read. If Nixon, alright. We already established this. Stated they want Chille's government to bleed, why the fuck do you think they weren't doing so well?



Are you seriously telling me, the richest most powerful nation at that time (USA), could not fuck with another country to such an extreme that it would make another economic model look bad (chille)
Are you that dense.
 

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Holy shit you seriously can't read. If Nixon, alright. We already established this. Stated they want Chille's government to bleed, why the fuck do you think they weren't doing so well?
Why would I accept a definition that is incorrect? Nixon said a lot of things, none of them authorised or otherwise ordered an invasion of Chile, which is explicitly a term that refers to a military incursion with armed forces.
Are you seriously telling me, the richest most powerful nation at that time (USA), could not fuck with another country to such an extreme that it would make another economic model look bad (chille)
Are you that dense.
The density of this thread is definitely increasing.
 
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Oh, you made yourself very clear. You made it clear that you don't know what an invasion is, but you insist on using the term regardless.
Cockroaches invaded my house. A burglar invaded my home.
These are correct, most people would agree. If your seriously going to continue to play the word game.And continue to ingnore that my usage of invade or invaded is correct, then I can say meddled. Does it change anything I stated? No.
You're being obtuse.


"Holy shit you seriously can't read. If Nixon, alright. We already established this. Stated they want Chille's government to bleed, why the fuck do you think they weren't doing so well?



Are you seriously telling me, the richest most powerful nation at that time (USA), could not fuck with another country to such an extreme that it would make another economic model look bad (chille)
Are you that dense."--Reual

Why would I accept a definition that is incorrect? Nixon said a lot of things, none of them authorised or otherwise ordered an invasion of Chile, which is explicitly a term that refers to a military incursion with armed forces.
The density of this thread is definitely increasing.
First off, that has nothing to respond against what I stated. I've put my message there for context. Second, your failing to address that United States is a economic super power, who can absolutely mess with another country to a degree that whatever economic system they have.

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And to make clear how your failing to address that, it's primarily by waging an entirely different argument about a single word. Despite the fact that my usage of the word, does make sense, and it does not always mean war. I find it really stupid if cockroaches started pointing guns in someones kitchen, it makes no sense.

If you want a closer definition to the modern usage of invasion. It generally follows a unwanted outside source (CIA cockroach, bugler ) , coming into another area, and messing with it. cockroaches are pests, they lay eggs and well, do other unwanted actions. A bugler steals shit. The CIA is known for overthrowing governments.

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In matter of fact, I am CORRECT
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I'm a little peveed that I had to waste this much energy over a single word choice you're bickering about.
 

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Cockroaches invaded my house. A burglar invaded my home.
These are correct, most people would agree. If your seriously going to continue to play the word game.
Pretending to be unable to understand context is another trick. We're having a conversation about geopolitics. In geopolitics an invasion is a very specific thing. Espionage is not an invasion - it is *assumed* that foreign powers have their agents operating around the world, that's the whole point of an intelligence service. Next you'll be claiming that Russia invaded the U.S. in 2016 and nobody noticed.
First off, that has nothing to respond against what I stated. I've put my message there for context.
I doubt that you know what context *is*, see above.
Second, your failing to address that United States is a economic super power, who can absolutely mess with another country to a degree that whatever economic system they have.
I'm sure that they can outspend a country into oblivion (U.S.S.R.) or simply refuse to do business with another country (Cuba), but that has no bearing on whether Chile was invaded or not.
Third your being continuously obtuse.
I'm not obtuse. I understand what you're saying, it's just that what you're saying is stupid, and untrue. You're basing your analysis on a false premise, so I'm not surprised your conclusion is also false. Chile would've collapsed regardless, or turned into a communist black hole like Cuba - the U.S. government accelerated that process, that I'll freely admit, but they did not *cause* it. Chilean economy was middling long before the U.S. got involved, as seen on the attached graph which starts in the 40's.

Viva Chile.
 
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Pretending to be unable to understand context is another trick. We're having a conversation about geopolitics. In geopolitics an invasion is a very specific thing. Espionage is not an invasion - it is *assumed* that foreign powers have their agents operating around the world, that's the whole point of an intelligence service. Next you'll be claiming that Russia invaded the U.S. in 2016 and nobody noticed.
I doubt that you know what context is due to what I said above.
I'm sure that they can outspend a country into oblivion (U.S.S.R.) or simply refuse to do business with another country (Cuba), but that has no bearing on whether Chile was invaded or not.
I'm not obtuse. I understand what you're saying, it's just that what you're saying is stupid, and untrue. You're basing your analysis on a false premise, so I'm not surprised your conclusion is also false. Chile would've collapsed regardless, or turned into a communist black hole like Cuba - the U.S. government accelerated that process, that I'll freely admit, but they did not *cause* it. Chilean economy was middling long before the U.S. got involved, as seen on the attached graph which starts in the 40's.

Viva Chile.
Go reread what I stated.
We're done here.

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I'm sure that they can outspend a country into oblivion (U.S.S.R.) or simply refuse to do business with another country (Cuba), but that has no bearing on whether Chile was invaded or not.
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2. the incoming spread of something usually hurtful
If cia agents, who come from the united states, come into chille, and they destabilize their economy. that 100% matches with what I've been stating this entire time.
 

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Go reread what I stated.
We're done here.
Posting a broader definition isn't going to save you here - context matters, and the context is geopolitics. You know very well what an "invasion" is in the context of one country invading another - it's explicitly a military conflict. You're most definitely "done" here, since you're unwilling to admit error. If there was a 1973 invasion of Chile by the U.S., no doubt you will be able to provide us with a document, like a newspaper clipping, saying that it occurred. It shouldn't be a big deal - an invasion of a foreign country is a big news item. Can you provide one, or are you just clowning around?

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Posting a broader definition isn't going to save you here - context matters, and the context is geopolitics. You know very well what an "invasion" is in the context of one country invading another - it's explicitly a military conflict. You're most definitely "done" here, since you're unwilling to admit error. If there was a 1973 invasion of Chile by the U.S., no doubt you will be able to provide us with a document, like a newspaper clipping, saying that it occurred. It shouldn't be a big deal - an invasion of a foreign country is a big news item. Can you provide one, or are you just clowning around?

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hmm, that's odd. where's the other definitions foxi4. You wouldn't intentionally try misleading an argument...
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here's Oxford dictionary, you know, THE SAME ONE YOU JUST LINKED.

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foxi4, engaging in dishonest discussion here aren't you?
 

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You're invading my privacy. Get your own room.
I'm very invasive - I come into threads and spread the giggles, like a chuckle-cancer.
Foxi4, engaging in dishonest discussion here aren't you?
Context matters
How seething are you, on a scale of 36 degrees Celsius to 100 degrees Celsius?

The U.S. did not invade Chile. The government had active intelligence agents in the country, as it most likely does in any other country of interest. That's not an "invasion". I don't know why you keep defending this like a point of honour. It makes you look extremely childish.
 
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The U.S. did not invade Chile.
CIA agents went to chille, with the direct intent of destabilizing their government, or using their government for the united States, against what the majority wanted.

That is definition number 2 of invasion.
Invasion is a very broad term. And as you stated, context matters, in my messages in the past, there is literately nothing implying a military conflict. So you should of understand that it is the second definition. ESPECIALLY since I had already stated, invasion doesn't have to mean military conflict.

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How seething are you, on a scale of 36 degrees Celsius to 100 degrees Celsius?
Seething wouldn't be accurate as I lack anger.
more like intensely annoyed/irritated. 60C is where I am.
 
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I especially liked the part about Chile escaping the iron grasp of socialism, with support of the U.S. - good for them. After the removal of Allende and the dissolution of the subsequent junta the country adopted the principles of free market capitalism and by 2017 it became the richest country in South America, according to World Bank:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_American_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Allende's government and the "Chilean path to Socialism" caused massive inflation and widespread poverty.

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Nicely done, Allende. This is what we call a "nosedive".

The "Miracle of Chile" shows that proper economic policy is a prerequisite to a functioning society - comparing average salaries in Chile and Venezuela is comical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Chile

Viva Chile! I hope its neighbours were taking notes.
Thank you Foxi4

You're stating the truth of our Country. Sadly chilean people were tricked into falling into socialism again. Thankfully our armed forces have been getting along better with citizens since Cuban G-2 guerrilla planned the communist coup that took place in Chile back 18th Oct. of 2019.
At first it'd look like the government wanted to oppose our militia against citizen, but we figured it out quickly, and instead decided to restore Chile's Faith in Christianity, as you may know, our armed forces strongly believe in family, God and citizenship resembling exactly Poland.

Well, turns out thousand of Cuban G-2 guerrillas attacked out churches, incinerated animals (baby cats), and of course are trying to cause war in Araucanía. They've killed a lot of chileans opposing their Communist regime (disguised as Mapuches, trying to revive an older cause Realists did back then in the seventies, of which eventually would lead up to the Military Coup, back then in 1973).

Our military is against Communism. And United Nations (through S N U Chile) is trying to frame the fake war in Araucanía, to bring in United Nations military. (Communists in disguise, self proclaimed globalists).



BTW, Cuba after 62 years said enough, this is it. That's exactly what socialism brings to a country.


Edit: Both Presidents killed in Africa and Haiti, are related to United Nations, since they've deployed their military and trained them here in Chile back in the 2010s (our military was against it of course).
 
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CIA agents went to chille, with the direct intent of destabilizing their government for the united States against what the majority wanted.

That is definition number 2 of invasion.
I don't think I can treat you seriously after this, just so you know. :lol:

No, that's not an invasion. You're misusing the word by applying a definition that is incorrect in context. It's hard for me to explain this any better to you, if you want to live in a reality in which the United States invaded Chile, that's fine, but you're the only one. There's a very good reason why you won't find any references to a "U.S. invasion of Chile" - it's because there wasn't one. The definition you're using is applicable in different contexts, but not this one.

With that being said, I am very amused by the metal image of cockroaches invading your house, sneaking out of U.S.S. Couch wearing little uniforms. That part I liked, it brightened up the evening.

I'll say this one more time for posterity and leave you be, as funny as this exchange is. If you ever go on a camping trip with a friend, spend the night together in a tent and then have a little photoshoot in the wilderness, I ask you to do one thing. When you recount that story to your other friends, please don't tell them that you took your friend into the woods, slept with them and then shot them. If you do, they're going to call the police and you'll immediately get arrested under suspicion of kidnapping, rape and murder.

I fully understand that words have multiple definitions - I'm a linguist, it is my trade. What I'm telling you, and what you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge, is that the *choice* of definition isn't up to you - it's context-dependent. You explaining what you originally meant doesn't make the statement any less silly - the right course of action was to correct yourself, which would've been accepted and it would've ended the exchange there. You instead chose to double down, which I consider clowning around. You're free to do so, just be aware of how that looks. The U.S. still didn't invade Chile, that is a historical fact, but we're all a little bit dumber after going through this exercise.
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You're stating the truth of our Country. Sadly chilean people were tricked into falling into socialism again. Thankfully our armed forces have been getting along better with citizens since Cuban G-2 guerrilla planned the communist coup that took place in Chile back 18th Oct. of 2019.
At first it'd look like the government wanted to oppose our militia against citizen, but we figured it out quickly, and instead decided to restore Chile's Faith in Christianity, as you may know, our armed forces strongly believe in family, God and citizenship resembling exactly Poland.

Well, turns out thousand of Cuban G-2 guerrillas attacked out churches, incinerated animals (baby cats), and of course are trying to cause war in Araucanía. They've killed a lot of chileans opposing their Communist regime (disguised as Mapuches, trying to revive an older cause Realists did back then in the seventies, of which eventually would lead up to the Military Coup, back then in 1973).

Our military is against Communism. And United Nations (through S N U Chile) is trying to frame the fake war in Araucanía, to bring in United Nations military. (Communists in disguise, self proclaimed globalists).



BTW, Cuba after 62 years said enough, this is it. That's exactly is what socialism brings to a country.


Edit: Both Presidents killed in Africa and Haiti, are related to United Nations, since they've deployed their military and trained them here in Chile back in the 2010s (our military was against it of course).
Viva Chile!
 
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I'm very invasive - I come into threads and spread the giggles, like a chuckle-cancer.


How seething are you, on a scale of 36 degrees Celsius to 100 degrees Celsius?

The U.S. did not invade Chile. The government had active intelligence agents in the country, as it most likely does in any other country of interest. That's not an "invasion". I don't know why you keep defending this like a point of honour. It makes you look extremely childish.


The carrot is a raid-tier troll or on "the spectrum" whose entire world philosophy is U.S. Bad, Marxism good lacking any context or historical knowledge.

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I don't think I can treat you seriously after this, just so you know. :lol:

No, that's not an invasion. You're misusing the word by applying a definition that is incorrect in context. It's hard for me to explain this any better to you, if you want to live in a reality in which the United States invaded Chile, that's fine, but you're the only one. There's a very good reason why you won't find any references to a U.S. invasion of Chile - it's because there wasn't one. The definition you're using is applicable in different contexts, but not this one.

With that being said, I am very amused by the metal image of cockroaches invading your house, sneaking out of U.S.S. Couch, wearing little uniforms.

I'll say this one more time for posterity and leave you be, as funny as this exchange is. If you ever go on a camping trip with a friend, spend the night together in a tent and then have a little photoshoot in the wilderness, I ask you to do one thing. When you recount that story to your other friends, please don't tell them that you took your friend into the woods, slept with them and then shot them. If you do, they're ggoing to call the police and you'll immediately get arrested under suspicion of kidnapping, rape and murder.

I fully understand that words have multiple definitions - I'm a linguist, it is my trade. What I'm telling you, and what you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge, is that the *choice* of definition isn't up to you - it's context-dependent. You explaining what you originally meant doesn't make the statement any less silly - the right course of action was to correct yourself, which would've been accepted and it would've ended the exchange there. You instead chose to double down, which I consider clowning around. You're free to do so, just be aware of how that looks. The U.S. Still didn't invade Chile, which is a historical fact, but we're all a little bit dumber after going through this exercise.
Viva Chile!

It means a lot to me! Poland was always right rejecting Communism.

Viva Poland!
 
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It means a lot to me! Poland was always right rejecting Communism.

Viva Poland!
The only sad part about the transformation of Chile was how long the junta lasted. Pinochet was a right bastard, a bastard Chile needed for one or two afternoons to "clean up shop", not for years of repression and murder of civilians. I'm glad that it all ended in a peaceful transition of power, much like it has in my own country. Chile's on the up and up, has been ever since, which cannot be said about some its neighbours. Hold on to that - freedom can be easily taken away, but very hard to regain.
 

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The only sad part about the transformation of Chile was how long the junta lasted. Pinochet was a right bastard, a bastard Chile needed for one or two afternoons to "clean up shop", not for years of repression and murder of civilians. I'm glad that it all ended in a peaceful transition of power, much like it has in my own country. Chile's on the up and up, has been ever since, which cannot be said about some its neighbours. Hold on to that - freedom can be easily taken away, but very hard to regain.

I respect Pinochet, but he's by no means an assassin or the likes. Instead, he took every communist terrorist popping up and killed them one by one. He was even acknowledged as "Futa Lonco", the highest rank by chilean ancestors, the Araucanos. Something never achieved before by anybody outside chilean ancestors. And that was because they were being raped and killed by communists, and Pinochet as promised gave them back their lands, belongings, and such.

Here's a picture of one of them:

el ultimo Futa Lonco de la Araucanìa | Patagonia Rebelde es "Orgulloso de ser Magallánico"


Trivia:
"unnamed.jpg" shows Pinochet and Elisa Loncon (Communist, acting now in the fake new constitution as a leader of chilean ancestors, trying to refund Chile's flag, History, and of course, militia). What you see here is Pinochet giving her a scholarship so she could improve her studies overseas.

And that lady now claims Pinochet was a terrorist.
 

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I respect Pinochet, but he's by no means an assassin or the likes. Instead, he took every communist terrorist popping up and killed them one by one. He was even acknowledged as "Futa Lonco", the highest rank by chilean ancestors, the Araucanos. Something never achieved before by anybody outside chilean ancestors. And that was because they were being raped and killed by communists, and Pinochet as promised gave them back the lands, animals, and such.

Here's a picture of one of them:

el ultimo Futa Lonco de la Araucanìa | Patagonia Rebelde es "Orgulloso de ser Magallánico"


Trivia:
"unnamed.jpg" shows Pinochet and Elisa Loncon (Communist, acting now in the fake new constitution as a leader of chilean ancestors, trying to refund Chile's flag, History, and of course, militia). What you see here is Pinochet giving her a scholarship so she could improve her studies overseas.

And that lady now claims Pinochet was a terrorist.
I'm certain that the initial goals were noble, or as noble as they can be in a temporary military dictatorship, but ultimate power ultimately corrupts. A lot of innocent people got caught up in that mess, so it's not entirely black and white like that. Pinochet's methods were very extreme, I don't think the country would be where it is now, socially or economically, if the junta continued to operate. Pinochet was a result of the pendulum swinging back from one extreme to the other, and while he played a crucial role in transforming Chile, it's the restoration of democracy and the free market that propelled it ahead of the rest of South America. This is why I characterise him as "a right bastard that was needed at the time" - he prevented a lot of turmoil and saved Chile from total collapse, but he introduced a lot of turmoil of his own into the equation. We should all be happy that the days of the Cold War are over and such shadow plays are left in the past, at least in the majority of the civilised world. Hopefully we won't have to revisit them in our lifetimes. I can say similar things about Polish anti-communist heroes - Lech Wałęsa did negotiate the dissolution of the People's Republic in '89, but he *was* an informant himself, and who knows what damage he's done while simultaneously "freeing" Poland. People have many faces, even if they only show you one at a time.
 
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