Neat! But if it's free, why not just make it a Windows 10 upgrade?
A combination of corporate clients who are cautious about any kind of change that will require retraining/compatibility for line of business apps (but still want to receive security updates) & also a chance to cut off some older machines to save themselves some money in terms of development and testing.
The TPM 2.0 requirement is likely going to shut out a lot of PCs that don't have it at all, or don't have it enabled by default. The PC I have from 2014 doesn't support it, therefore it is stuck to Windows 10. It can be bypassed for now but who knows if that will still be possible in the future?
Frankly if you can't follow instructions on how to enable it, then you shouldn't be attempting to install an operating system upgrade in the first place.
Expect to see a lot of articles on how to enable or fit a TPM (and TPM availability, taking into account the silicon shortage) now that they've announced
Also there are some other "interesting" changes such as removing the possibility of moving the taskbar from the bottom.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
It reduces the amount of meeting, development and testing they have by 3/4. How many people move it? And is there any good reason for them to move it? "I like it when it annoys people who try to use my computer" is not something I think Microsoft should be paying for.
Rumor has it that Windows 11 is made out of Windows 10X and not Windows 10. Windows 10X was "made from the ground up" according to Microsoft (I believe many things they just reused from Windows 10 though) and it is not an upgrade from Windows 10.
Windows 10X was based on Windows Core, as is Windows 10.
Windows 11 has the UI from Windows 10X but it's not Windows 10X.
The distinction between Windows 10 and Windows 11 is mostly marketing.
Windows 10 was a trainwreck. I don't have high hopes for this one either.
I'll hold onto my win 7 and linux dual boot setup for the time being.
Windows 10 has been great for me, much better than Windows 7. But then I find Linux a train wreck that only survived due to hatred of Microsoft and I stopped hating them 20 years ago when I gave up using my Amiga as my main machine at home.
My understanding is the rebranding is pretty much in name only. Windows 10 users will be forced to update to Windows 11 automatically after enough time as passed, like with any other major Windows 10 update.
Supposedly nobody will be forced to update to Windows 11. You've got 4 years of updates and then it will be up to you, either you carry on without updates and risk being hacked or you figure a way to meet the requirements.
The ability of Windows 11 to support running Android apps "natively" is pretty neat though. That was my biggest takeaway.
It's going to be interesting on how that pans out, it doesn't seem to work like bluestacks etc as I think they said apps would need to opt in.
I'll probably keep using windows 10 at least until 2025. Especially because updates will cease to be pushed then, and automatic updates are the biggest problem in W10 IMO.
I don't know what it's like on Windows 10 Home, but Windows 10 Pro is pretty good with updates. At least now they fixed it so you could throttle the update download. In the beginning, when I only had 2mb/s, I'd be streaming something on TV and it would stop & I'd have to suspend my laptop.
Been using the leaked version my Razer Blade 14 since it leaked, seems pretty ok (even though the leak is basically just 10 kernel with 11 UI and not too many under the hood changes yet
).
Although the leak is an older build, that is basically what Windows 11 is.
Wasn't it communicated everywhere that windows 10 will only receive updates and that windows 11 will never appear?
When Windows 10 launched (six years ago) they planned on feature updates every 6 months rather than repeating the same mistake they had made previously where they would disappear and come back 5 years later with a new version of Windows.
They've slightly changed their mind as they had the work from Windows 10X that would otherwise be wasted as the hardware it was for is no longer coming. I don't think you can blame them for this.
I got the same error. You're probably right that it's related to TPM. The BitLocker requirements for TPM can already be disabled on Windows 10, so my guess is this will be bypassable one way or another.
TPM isn't a requirement for bitlocker, the default security level cannot be used without a TPM but you can lower it.
I don't doubt that a lot of people will be looking for ways to install Windows 11 without a TPM & they may well find one. I suspect more people will just get a TPM.
They make money from licencing and OEMs. They can't make any money by having it as Windows 10.
BUT they can make Samsung, Dell, HP etc. pay for 11 under a new dealio.
Dell etc pay per copy of Windows 10, they'll pay the same per copy of Windows 11.
I wonder how much that TPM requirement will be a problem for MS and customers? I just had to manually enable AMD fTPM in UEFI to pass the requirement check.
I would expect a lot of "can you help me upgrade my computer to windows 11 calls".
There will probably be a TPM shortage too
I'd presume so, IIRC XDA had an article on the leaked build where apparently it can accept W7/8 keys.
The leaked build is not a good indication of what they will accept in terms of hardware and licensing as they can make that decision right at the last minutes.
Yeah at the moment Windows 11 does require TPM 2.0 and Secure boot enabled. It's unclear if this is just a temporary thing with the "insider builds" and will vanish nearer the Fall 10 Release/upgrade path - A lot of motherboard support TPM but just lack the module
Actually it seems to be the other way round, the insider builds will not enforce the minimum requirements. At general availability you'll be forced to re-install windows 10 if your machine doesn't meet the minimum requirements. You can't even stay on windows 11 insider builds.
Or you can update from Home to an unactivated version of Pro with the generic Pro license, and then use the Windows 7 free upgrade servers to activate your copy of Windows 10 Pro.
How?
It looks like the TPM requirements (and UEFI requirements and Secure Boot requirements) are baked into the installer and not the OS itself. Swapping the install.wim of an older installer with the Windows 11 install.wim seems to be installing just fine on an older system.
That doesn't surprise me, but don't expect that to work forever. If they are serious about enforcing TPM then they are perfectly capable of doing so. As they are also enforcing Secure Boot then patching out the check will be impossible, you'd have to break Secure Boot...
Was already figured out 5 days ago you can press Alt+F4 to use a local account. Helps to check things out before posting.
As the minimum system requirements aren't going to be enforced until general availability (maybe November this year???) then it would be premature to say that you can work round them as you don't have that version. But then it helps to check things out before posting.
well i dont have tpm 2.0 so yeah no windows 11 for me :S
If you have a desktop then adding a TPM might be easy (and pretty cheap), laptops without TPM or a new enough chipset to support firmware TPM might be out of luck. I do wonder if a USB/PCIE TPM is possible.
Michael MJD on Youtube installed the dev build on an old HP, proving you can bypass the TPM requirement. For now, anyway.
It proves that they don't enforce the announced general availability minimum system requirements, like they say don't.
https://blogs.windows.com/windows-i...ing-for-insider-preview-builds-of-windows-11/
I just realized that TPM is disabled in my BIOS (my rig has no UEFI capabilities), but it is only 1.1, with some 1.2 compatibility settings only.
If you have a desktop with a TPM it's probably removable & you can fit a 2.0 module.
How old is your computer? UEFI came out in 2006. Secure Boot was added in UEFI 2.3.1, which was around 2012.
On one side they give away free licenses and make a PR stunt out of it but on the other it's still paid for new PC's with it pre-installed. You are not even getting any advantage for the paid one.
You buy it once and get free upgrades, what is the problem with that?
Everything I found about my laptop says that it doesn't have it. Ran the windows checker thing and lo and behold it does in fact have a TPM 2.0
It's probably got what is referred to as a firmware TPM.
https://www.onlogic.com/company/io-hub/intel-platform-trust-technology-ptt-tpm-for-the-masses/
I have a laptop from 2015 with no TPM chip, and I have a desktop I built in 2019 that has no TPM chip ("Why does my desktop need BitLocker?" I said). If I can't bypass the requirement, I won't be happy.
My SO's laptop is also from 2015 with no TPM chip.
I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to use bitlocker, but you should be able to get a TPM for the Desktop.
Laptops are harder, even if there is a TPM header then dismantling it could be a PITA. I've
I just did that and now have that turned on but still does not help this problem
MY PC's specs are
AMD Ryzen 1600 six-core processor 3.20
32GB of ddr4
Zotac rtx 2070 OC
500gb SSD
telling you I'm gonna need a new cpu and motherboard for this os.
Have you enabled secure boot? I suspect that will be a bit of a sticking point for people who dual boot, you can do it but a lot of people seem to rage at secure boot and instantly turn it off.
I'll stick to Windows 10, thank you. 11 looks like another unmitigated disaster.
11 looks great, it basically is windows 10.
Windows XP, good. Windows Vista, bad. Windows 7, good. Windows 8 and 8.1, bad. Windows 10, good. Windows 11... bad?
It's actually people not liking change.
I remember a huge backlash against Microsoft for adding the Start Menu to Windows 95, because they liked Program Manager in Windows 3.1.
Then when they removed it from Windows 7 there was a huge backlash.
I have run WIndows 95/98/NT4/2k/XP/Vista/7/8.1/10 and once I'd spent a week with each then I wouldn't go back.
Earlier chipsets tend to have a tpm header, but getting one that is compatible with old boards and making it work, seems to be a minefield.
I'd expect that to change now that there is a compelling reason to have one.
Needing an online account was shown to be able to be bypassed 5 days ago, and now it's been shown that Win11 also does not require TMP 2.0. Only 1.2. The health check app is just giving incorrect information.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/#hardware-requirements
Or maybe that link is giving incorrect information.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11
Minimum system requirements
TPM
Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0
It's not being enforced in any of the beta builds yet, so we can't tell.
I activated the intel TPM things in my bios but the health app still say My PC is not compatible with W11, any ideas ?
Does it show up in device manager? It might need a driver.
Did you enable secure boot?
Do you meet all the other requirements?
You know that Windows 12 is now practically guaranteed, since they've just broken their "last version" promise...
There was never a promise to break.
and Microsoft previously liked to keep a bunch of antiquated features in their OSes to allow for as much backwards-compatibility as possible (examples: A and B drives, which are floppy disk drives;
A: & B: aren't floppy disk drives, I could set my 2nd hard drive to be A: or B: if I wanted. Drive letters aren't going away.
how you can't name folders "CON" and stuff because they were used in DOS as overrides, to target printers and stuff), so them actually removing 32-bit support would be surprising.
CON is part of Windows and even if they did drop 32 bit app support, then CON it would remain.
