Windows 11 will be a free upgrade for Windows 10 users and will feature new gaming enhancements

Lacius · Jun 24, 2021

Jayro said:
Yeah, you can get a Pro license for just a few bucks on eBay.

Or you can update from Home to an unactivated version of Pro with the generic Pro license, and then use the Windows 7 free upgrade servers to activate your copy of Windows 10 Pro.

It looks like the TPM requirements (and UEFI requirements and Secure Boot requirements) are baked into the installer and not the OS itself. Swapping the install.wim of an older installer with the Windows 11 install.wim seems to be installing just fine on an older system.

D34DL1N3R · Jun 24, 2021

nightweb said:
The Bit that got me was Under System requirements it has "Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account to complete device setup on first use."

Nooooope

Was already figured out 5 days ago you can press Alt+F4 to use a local account. Helps to check things out before posting.

Jayro · Jun 24, 2021

Lacius said:
Or you can update from Home to an unactivated version of Pro with the generic Pro license, and then use the Windows 7 free upgrade servers to activate your copy of Windows 10 Pro.

It looks like the TPM requirements (and UEFI requirements and Secure Boot requirements) are baked into the installer and not the OS itself. Swapping the install.wim of an older installer with the Windows 11 install.wim seems to be installing just fine on an older system.

Yeah, I read that people were moving the install.wim to a windows 10 ISO, and everything worked just fine.

CeeDee · Jun 24, 2021

MorningBlunt said:
They make money from licencing and OEMs. They can't make any money by having it as Windows 10.
BUT they can make Samsung, Dell, HP etc. pay for 11 under a new dealio.

Ah yes, the true reason.

I just find it funny because I vaguely remember them making a big deal over Windows 10 being 'the last one' and all.

Lacius · Jun 24, 2021

Jayro said:
Yeah, I read that people were moving the install.wim to a windows 10 ISO, and everything worked just fine.

Issues I foresee:

Will the system requirements become backed into the OS itself in the future?
How will installing Windows 11 on a system that doesn't have a TPM chip, for example, affect the ability to get future updates. Cumulative updates will likely work fine, but largescale updates that happen once or twice a year might run through the aforementioned installer with the TPM requirements. It's hard to say.

WG481 · Jun 24, 2021

I can't wait for Windows 11... malware.
A new operating system means new exploits which means new unofficial hacks, customizations, and ultimately another Internet Pandemic. Remember WannaCry? Just wait until hackers start experimenting with Win11.

Dimensional · Jun 24, 2021

If it's geared towards gaming, does this mean it will be able to run Dos games and old Windows 9X games natively again? What about having RetroArch included?

WG481 · Jun 24, 2021

Dimensional said:
If it's geared towards gaming, does this mean it will be able to run Dos games and old Windows 9X games natively again? What about having RetroArch included?

Imagine it including Xbox's operating system within it to not only waste more space but to let people but Xbox games in their disc drive only to get an error message.

Jayro · Jun 24, 2021

Dimensional said:
If it's geared towards gaming, does this mean it will be able to run Dos games and old Windows 9X games natively again? What about having RetroArch included?

Being geared towards better gaming means better performance in modern games. They're not going to bring back 16-bit support, and honestly, they shouldn't even make 32-bit Windows anymore. I ditched 32-bit Windows mid-Windows 7 cycle and I've never looked back. Keeping legacy stuff around isn't helpful for most people. It clutters the OS and just makes a lot of UI inconsistencies. Hell, there's still some Windows XP, Vista, and 7 icons inside Windows 10. It's like the UI team can't get their shit together and do one big overhaul to convert them all at once. (They should hire me to do it, I love making icons)

pedro702 · Jun 24, 2021

well i dont have tpm 2.0 so yeah no windows 11 for me :S

PhantomFist · Jun 24, 2021

Michael MJD on Youtube installed the dev build on an old HP, proving you can bypass the TPM requirement. For now, anyway.

Jayro · Jun 24, 2021

pedro702 said:
well i dont have tpm 2.0 so yeah no windows 11 for me :S

I wouldn't even know how to check for it honestly.

Ishzark · Jun 24, 2021

sounds like the same trap they used to get me from 7 to 10

pedro702 · Jun 24, 2021

Jayro said:
I wouldn't even know how to check for it honestly.

followed some instructions online, my pc is preety old, like 10 years and it was custom made, and most custom made motherboards dont have the tpm chip in them so i have no tpm at all on my motherboard.

tech3475 · Jun 24, 2021

Lacius said:
Issues I foresee:

Will the system requirements become backed into the OS itself in the future?

How will installing Windows 11 on a system that doesn't have a TPM chip, for example, affect the ability to get future updates. Cumulative updates will likely work fine, but largescale updates that happen once or twice a year might run through the aforementioned installer with the TPM requirements. It's hard to say.

I can imagine the Windows/MS Store causing problems, especially where it uses EFS.

Lacius · Jun 24, 2021

WG481 said:
I can't wait for Windows 11... malware.
A new operating system means new exploits which means new unofficial hacks, customizations, and ultimately another Internet Pandemic. Remember WannaCry? Just wait until hackers start experimenting with Win11.

98% of the computers hit by WannaCry were running Windows 7, and it affected computers on operating systems older than that.

Maq47 · Jun 24, 2021

Welp, I need a new PC now more than ever. I have TPM 1.2 instead of TPM 2.0, so I'm locked out.

Lacius · Jun 24, 2021

Jayro said:
I wouldn't even know how to check for it honestly.

Run tpm.msc in a run dialog. You may have to enable TPM in your BIOS/UEFI.

pedro702 said:
well i dont have tpm 2.0 so yeah no windows 11 for me :S

Maq47 said:
Welp, I need a new PC now more than ever. I have TPM 1.2 instead of TPM 2.0, so I'm locked out.

It might be bypassable. It currently is with the leaked build.

Depending on your computer, you might also be able to swap out the TPM chip with one that's newer.

Urbanshadow · Jun 24, 2021

pustal said:
Rumor has it that Windows 11 is made out of Windows 10X and not Windows 10. Windows 10X was "made from the ground up" according to Microsoft (I believe many things they just reused from Windows 10 though) and it is not an upgrade from Windows 10.

The printing stack its still the same as we had in windows vista and it is not likely to dissapear as it would break many many many many applications including all adobe suite and the office package.

It´s not like Im calling bs on your claim but Win32 (as architectur) is such a burden in the windows kernel you just canot get rid of it.

Lacius · Jun 24, 2021

I'm reading that enabling fTPM or Intel PTT might meet the TPM 2.0 requirement without having a dedicated chip.

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