Nintendo responds to kid’s request for nonbinary Pokémon

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Still I label it as incorrect. Gender and Sex are fluid terms to be used in both settings. I think what Planned Parenthood is trying to say is Gender Role, which is how we should act in society. Not gender.
actually yeah the description of gender in that article is wrong looking back on it lol
still think sex is sex and gender is gender though

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You should probably give this a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
 

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actually yeah the description of gender in that article is wrong looking back on it lol
still think sex is sex and gender is gender though

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You should probably give this a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
"In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably."
I still think we should stick with Identity, and keep Gender and Sex as interchangeable terms. Like popular and famous (bad example).
 
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"In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably."
I still think we should stick with Identity, and keep Gender and Sex as interchangeable terms. Like popular and famous (bad example).
Lemme make it simple for ya so you can understand.
Gender is social, Sex is biological. That's it. I won't be replying to this conversation any further because this is more stressful than fun.
 

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This is the most stupid ask i seen Pokemon are animals find me a nonbinary dog

Also the kid did not write anything it was his dumb woke dad that did Keep that nonsense out of pokemon
 
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I want to quote whoever it was earlier. There are some Pokemon who don't even have genders or conformity because they can't. The Magnemite evolution path has 0 gender to it. Also, unless you're scrutinizing really hard, does the Pokemon's gender/sex/whatever-the-heck even matter? You are literally pitting actual animals in cage matches against each other, does it matter if your electric mouse has balls?
 

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I want to quote whoever it was earlier. There are some Pokemon who don't even have genders or conformity because they can't. The Magnemite evolution path has 0 gender to it. Also, unless you're scrutinizing really hard, does the Pokemon's gender/sex/whatever-the-heck even matter? You are literally pitting actual animals in cage matches against each other, does it matter if your electric mouse has balls?

That proves the kid or the father is full of poop and never had play the games them
 

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That proves the kid or the father is full of poop and never had play the games them
I'm sorry, I'm a diehard Pokemon fan. Would you like to keep insulting a kid? Does it make you feel better?

I want to remind you all again why it doesn't matter:
They are 898 cagefighting animals with magical powers and you're worried about the gender of a Pokemon? I would be more concerned about the Trainer than a bloodthirsty four armed pro wrestler turtle.
 

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That isn't the representation's fault though? That's the writers' fault for making a poorly written character?

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Kinda is when you see jackasses like that guy on twitter trying to force companies to force LGBT representation basically just for the heck of it. I'll use comic books as an example. Nobody complained when they made Ice Man from the Xmen gay, he was still the same person, but it just happens to be gay. Its there but its not *THE* biggest part pf his overall personality... Fast forward to literally Safe Place and Snowflake (Yeah actual comic book characters) who are literally there because Twitter didn't shut up about it.
 
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At what age does a child need to be told how to think about gender and sexuality? Just cut off everyones penis off and sew shut all the vaginas in the world. Problem solved
 
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Kinda is when you see jackasses like that guy on twitter trying to force companies to force LGBT representation basically just for the heck of it. I'll use comic books as an example. Nobody complained when they made Ice Man from the Xmen gay, he was still the same person, but it just happens to be gay. Its there but its not *THE* biggest part pf his overall personality... Fast forward to literally Safe Place and Snowflake (Yeah actual comic book characters) who are literally there because Twitter didn't shut up about it.
Again, it's the writer's fault for writing a character poorly.
 

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Kinda is when you see jackasses like that guy on twitter trying to force companies to force LGBT representation basically just for the heck of it. I'll use comic books as an example. Nobody complained when they made Ice Man from the Xmen gay, he was still the same person, but it just happens to be gay. Its there but its not *THE* biggest part pf his overall personality... Fast forward to literally Safe Place and Snowflake (Yeah actual comic book characters) who are literally there because Twitter didn't shut up about it.
Apart from that being a very extreme, odd, and from the sounds of it fucked up and a little bigoted example, there is nothing wrong with expressing the desire for representation. if a company or creator takes this in the wrong direction then that’s kind of on them. Because the thing is, it’s incredibly normal for characters to be created for fans. Like, that’s how bigger companies get by. But there’s a big difference between making some thing that ends up looking like it’s pandering versus making some thing that organically fits in with the story or the world.

Point is, there is zero reason that some bad eggs should stop the desire for wanting that diversity and people most certainly shouldn’t shut their mouth‘s about it, especially when in a lot of cases things aren’t even made for the sake of purely artistic vision and creativity in a lot of times are made to capture audiences and make money. I’m not really gonna cry over Disney executives getting complaints when they shut down and actually decent looking show with a non-binary protagonist but Green Light some thing like the live action Mulan.
 
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Not if they've been forced to write something they either don't want to write or don't know how to.
If they don't know how to write an LGBT character just do this: Don't write one. No one's forcing them to put LGBT representation in. It's just something people like to see in media and ask for sometimes
 

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to all the transphobes in the replies: non binary people are valid and them existing isn't a political issue, cry ;)
Sorry to tell you my face is dry and tearless and I'm laughing at half of these people.

actually yeah the description of gender in that article is wrong looking back on it lol
still think sex is sex and gender is gender though

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You should probably give this a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
Alright, let me put in a way my mother would say it to be so I can be clear: their ain't no motherfucking difference. All those people who say there is are fucking psychotic nutjobs who never had the physical and intimate touch of a human being so they push this dumb ass shit to try to make others confused and miserable. That's it, the end. That's all I'm gonna say on it.

Again, it's the writer's fault for writing a character poorly.
They write them shitty because they put too much focus on their one quality trait of sex/color/etc instead of writing a character.

If they don't know how to write an LGBT character just do this: Don't write one. No one's forcing them to put LGBT representation in. It's just something people like to see in media and ask for sometimes
Sometimes people are forced to to keep their job, but that's not worth keeping a job over. You say they have the write to not write a LGBT character, but then on the flipside you'll have people complain that "there's no representation! where is it!?" so, what do you want, for people to write shitty diversity or let them write what they want? Because let's face it, at this point it's almost impossible to write a character based solely on representation because 9 times out of 10, or 10 out of 10, it sucks and no one buys the product because of it.
 
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Yeah... no.
That bullshit killed Doctor Who and Star Trek, made a mockery of portions of the MCU, didn't help with Disney's initial plan for Star Wars, and has made everything attached to anything produced by the BBC in recent years laughable nonsense that panders to a minor subsection that was never the original target audience - while simultaneously losing their original target audience.

In terms of the actual percentage of the various non-cis minorities in the world, they are massively OVER represented in present day media.
 

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In terms of the actual percentage of the various non-cis minorities in the world, they are massively OVER represented in present day media.
… yeah this is incredibly yikes.

You’re saying…you’re actually trying to say that any minority is over represented in media. Like, think about that sentence for a few seconds. That any minority could ever be over represented in media.

You realize there’s like, not some sort of balancing game going on here. That it’s perfectly fine that some thing gets a lot of representation because in all likelihood they don’t have that much to begin with. Because they don’t. If something gets a lot of it, cool, that’s a good thing. If it’s genuinely hurting the quality of anything that you consume then I honestly have to wonder how good of writers they are to begin with, But the whole reason that pride month even exists in the first place is because of discrimination, underrepresentation, and isolation. That’s the entire point.

Also I want to point out, crazy enough, sometimes people just want to make a character there is a certain way. Just because they’re not cis and they’re not white and they’re not male doesn’t make it the result of some big movement or complaints. Sometimes a character just happens to be gay or non-binary or asexual or whatever and sometimes that’s a big part of their life, which is actually true in real life too for a lot of people. but if you think you’re seeing way too much of it then you have literally decades, a whole century worth of media and far more in terms of books that genuinely doesn’t give a shit about underrepresented parties. Go him, the library is always there
 

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… yeah this is incredibly yikes.

You’re saying…you’re actually trying to say that any minority is over represented in media. Like, think about that sentence for a few seconds. That any minority could ever be over represented in media.

You realize there’s like, not some sort of balancing game going on here. That it’s perfectly fine that some thing gets a lot of representation because in all likelihood they don’t have that much to begin with. Because they don’t. If something gets a lot of it, cool, that’s a good thing. If it’s genuinely hurting the quality of anything that you consume then I honestly have to wonder how good of writers they are to begin with, But the whole reason that pride month even exists in the first place is because of discrimination, underrepresentation, and isolation. That’s the entire point.

Also I want to point out, crazy enough, sometimes people just want to make a character there is a certain way. Just because they’re not cis and they’re not white and they’re not male doesn’t make it the result of some big movement or complaints. Sometimes a character just happens to be gay or non-binary or asexual or whatever and sometimes that’s a big part of their life, which is actually true in real life too for a lot of people. but if you think you’re seeing way too much of it then you have literally decades, a whole century worth of media and far more in terms of books that genuinely doesn’t give a shit about underrepresented parties. Go him, the library is always there

When representation serves the story, I'm all for it... but for the most part, it rarely does, and it's something that's shoehorned in to appease an extremely vocal minority and serves to undermine good story telling.
And, yes - shoehorning representation into everything IS over representation.
 
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to all the transphobes in the replies: non binary people are valid and them existing isn't a political issue, cry ;)

Just because some people choose to not fall in line with the same line of thinking, does not make them transphobes. But here we go again, the LGBTQ community or whatever you want to call it... bashing people who don't bow down. Hypocrite. Isn't that going against your cause?
 

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You’re saying…you’re actually trying to say that any minority is over represented in media. Like, think about that sentence for a few seconds. That any minority could ever be over represented in media.

Looking at USA statistics, from wiki at least, it's saying a little less than 4% of the population are gay.
I don't have any numbers for this part, but I strongly feel they are represented much more in media than just 4% of people in the media. I'm not saying it's bad, not saying it's good, I'm just saying I believe that is what over representation is.
I don't think many people will argue that it is not in fashion today to represent gay people. So many companies seem to be doing it.
Hence Nintendo making this letter public.

Something I believe is UNDER represented is the USA's native/indigenous population... less than 2% of the population sadly, and I hardly come across any in mainstream media.

What this has to do with pokemon... nothing!
GF could create a pokemon that switches genders depending on the day of the week I guess, if they really want to please people.
But for 'nonbinary', as in not 0 or 1, not male or female... as others have mentioned, we already have genderless pokemon.
Metagross is nonbinary, not male, not female, not part of a binary gender system.
Young children probably don't really understand the mechanics of pokemon/genders/ivs/evs etc, no surprise this letter was written in the current climate.
 
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