Democrats fail to advance the For the People Act

Xzi · Jun 24, 2021

Valwinz said:
O yes they are same thing what a big IQ post

Sorry i wont eat the bugs

The only way they're different is in the groups they target, which is precisely why you're okay with one and not the other. And yes, that does make you a hypocrite.

Valwinz · Jun 24, 2021

Lacius said:
Proof of vaccination literally helps keep people alive. The voter ID movement is meant to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters and rile up the conservative base about fake election fraud. I agree with you; they aren't the same.

from the 99.8% survival virus

Lacius · Jun 24, 2021

Valwinz said:
from the 99.8% survival virus

First, before vaccination was commonplace, it was more like 99.0%. That's a high rate of survival, but given how contagious the virus is, that's millions of deaths if everyone gets it. Second, COVID-19 has killed 603,000 Americans so far, and that number continues to rise at a rate of approximately 300 people a day (almost all of whom are not vaccinated).

Jayro · Jun 24, 2021

Lacius said:
Proof of vaccination literally helps keep people alive. The voter ID movement is meant to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters and rile up the conservative base about fake election fraud. I agree with you; they aren't the same.

They also like to compare the BLM riots to the Jan 6th insurrection, but they don't even have a leg to stand on.

We're upset because we're tired of cops killing us in the streets.

They're upset because their presidential candidate lost in a fair election.

Not comparable in the slightest.

Sicklyboy · Jun 24, 2021

enigma85 said:
there are too many hands that touch the ballots to get it to the right person and get it back to be counted

Xzi said:
Like postal workers? Their jobs are shitty enough without being indicted on federal charges for tampering.

Not only that, but do you understand the scale that mail-in vote tampering would have to take place at to make literally ANY difference AT ALL?

KingVamp · Jun 24, 2021

Sicklyboy said:
Not only that, but do you understand the scale that mail-in vote tampering would have to take place at to make literally ANY difference AT ALL?

If tampering was that bad, people would be trying to shutdown mailing altogether.

Deleted member 559230 · Jul 1, 2021

Jayro said:
They also like to compare the BLM riots to the Jan 6th insurrection, but they don't even have a leg to stand on.

We're upset because we're tired of cops killing us in the streets.

They're upset because their presidential candidate lost in a fair election.

Not comparable in the slightest.

You may think one groups reason for protesting is valid while the others not, but from an outside Independent I see both reasons are completely valid regardless if I agree with them or not. For the record, I don't think rioting, looting, arson, murder and trespassing are justified regardless of the reasons surrounding both BLM and Trump losing the 2020 election. The 1000's of BLM & Antifa riots and the singular Trump riot were all uncalled for.

Seliph · Jul 1, 2021

Hey @Valwinz you may wanna check this article out on the subject because literally everything you've said in this post is wrong. I have no idea how you overlooked this.

djpannda · Jul 1, 2021

JonhathonBaxster said:
an outside Independent I see

You do know we all can see your post history?

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oh I see what you did there “impartial observer!”

Jayro · Jul 1, 2021

JonhathonBaxster said:
You may think one groups reason for protesting is valid while the others not, but from an outside Independent I see both reasons are completely valid regardless if I agree with them or not. For the record, I don't think rioting, looting, arson, murder and trespassing are justified regardless of the reasons surrounding both BLM and Trump losing the 2020 election. The 1000's of BLM & Antifa riots and the singular Trump riot were all uncalled for.

We're tired of "talking", as it falls on deaf ears, and nothing changes.

So until things change, we'll burn this planet to the fucking ground.

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Sicklyboy said:
Not only that, but do you understand the scale that mail-in vote tampering would have to take place at to make literally ANY difference AT ALL?

Exactly. Nobody had the time, money, or resources to commit suck fuckery in a timely manner. It's absurd what the right comes up with sometimes. And now that Dejoy has fucked the US postal system, I don't expect anything to improve for the 2024 election. I only expect #TeamRed to be mad again, accuse us of election fraud again, etc. Same old song and dance.

Julie_Pilgrim · Jul 12, 2021

at this point im just reading valwinz's posts for comedic value

Viri · Jul 12, 2021

Don't worry though, they'll give us an extension of the Patriot Act, again. That's a bipartisan issue.

jurai · Jul 12, 2021

Extremely biased posts like this shouldn't be allowed lol who let this dumbass stay on the site

Deleted User · Jul 25, 2021

Lacius said:
Then it's a good thing that's not what the bill does. Did you read my post? It sounds as though you didn't.

Nobody cares what some partisan "fact checker" (nobody lied or trolled online before pre 2016 of course; that's totally why they are here).

Explain your view, and defend it yourself.

Dakitten · Jul 25, 2021

Jayro said:
We're tired of "talking", as it falls on deaf ears, and nothing changes.

So until things change, we'll burn this planet to the fucking ground.

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Exactly. Nobody had the time, money, or resources to commit suck fuckery in a timely manner. It's absurd what the right comes up with sometimes. And now that Dejoy has fucked the US postal system, I don't expect anything to improve for the 2024 election. I only expect #TeamRed to be mad again, accuse us of election fraud again, etc. Same old song and dance.

Nono, the powers that be are already burning this planet to the ground. Gotta encourage change to get them to stop. :cry:

But seriously though, when the means of protest are infringed upon, violence is sure to ensue. The right throws a riot because their minority couldn't usurp some fraction of democracy that is still being practiced in the USA. The left throws a riot because they're being murdered by cops and extremists from the other side, wealth disparity is increasing, housing is becoming exponentially more expensive, pollution and climate change are destroying lives/homes/communities, the ability for the rich to buy elections is entrenched while the ability to even vote is constantly under siege, etc. Sure the centrist af Dems might not be a true ally, but the other folks go out of their way to antagonize and kill. No comparison.

Deleted User · Jul 26, 2021

Dakitten said:
Nono, the powers that be are already burning this planet to the ground. Gotta encourage change to get them to stop.

But seriously though, when the means of protest are infringed upon, violence is sure to ensue. The right throws a riot because their minority couldn't usurp some fraction of democracy that is still being practiced in the USA. The left throws a riot because they're being murdered by cops and extremists from the other side, wealth disparity is increasing, housing is becoming exponentially more expensive, pollution and climate change are destroying lives/homes/communities, the ability for the rich to buy elections is entrenched while the ability to even vote is constantly under siege, etc. Sure the centrist af Dems might not be a true ally, but the other folks go out of their way to antagonize and kill. No comparison.

How many riots has the right thrown? Jan 6, where they attempted to 'take over the capital building' with no weapons? Compared to daily riots for years in cities across the USA, burning, looting, damage so extreme that 'iz ok cuz all biz owners are all sups rich 'n have insurance' usually couldn't even afford to reopen afterwards. Anything goes for your perceived 'social justice' and 'anti-racism' (racist) actions that have little grounding in reality.

The left is being murdered by cops and extremists from the other side? Post crime stats that support this. They don't exist. The biggest problem minorities have right now (coming from someone who worked / is friends with actual black people from Baltimore city, has held positions in local politics, not one who was told this in a high school / college class or from people brainwashed into their victimhood status) of physical violence is from their own race. 6% of the population - black males - commit roughly half of all shootings in the USA. 70 shootings in Chicago this past weekend. I didn't see BREAKING NEWS on CNN but I'm not surprised one bit by that. The left refuses to discuss cultural issues holding back the black community.

Housing costs are rising primarily because of inflation, material price increases, and pollution has zilch to do w/ that. Following up on that point.. If you think the planet is dying and needs action now: we have clean power and it's called nuclear. Read up on it and find out which party has prevented it from being used. The only incident in the US was 8 mi. island where radiation = to a chest xray was released, but it's off the table for something supposedly so urgent. Your own side is to blame.

Right to vote under siege? Huh? You're one of those white people who think black voters are stupid I take it. They have ID, and are fine w/ presenting it to ensure safe elections. ~80% approval rating in cities in a few polls, all others well over 50%.

Centrists are far leftists these days. We've seen what "compromise" means to Socialists, and we (like you've been for a long time) are no longer interested.

I did database work for the Census bureau and have a more than enough muscle memory statistics to see right through what you are repeating from whoever misinformed you. I was brainwashed once, I meant well - I'm sure (I hope) you do too, but you are misinformed.

Dakitten · Jul 26, 2021

eastwald said:
How many riots has the right thrown? Jan 6, where they attempted to 'take over the capital building' with no weapons? Compared to daily riots for years in cities across the USA, burning, looting, damage so extreme that 'iz ok cuz all biz owners are all sups rich 'n have insurance' usually couldn't even afford to reopen afterwards. Anything goes for your perceived 'social justice' and 'anti-racism' (racist) actions that have little grounding in reality.

The left is being murdered by cops and extremists from the other side? Post crime stats that support this. They don't exist. The biggest problem minorities have right now (coming from someone who worked / is friends with actual black people from Baltimore city, has held positions in local politics, not one who was told this in a high school / college class or from people brainwashed into their victimhood status) of physical violence is from their own race. 6% of the population - black males - commit roughly half of all shootings in the USA. 70 shootings in Chicago this past weekend. I didn't see BREAKING NEWS on CNN but I'm not surprised one bit by that. The left refuses to discuss cultural issues holding back the black community.

Housing costs are rising primarily because of inflation, material price increases, and pollution has zilch to do w/ that. Following up on that point.. If you think the planet is dying and needs action now: we have clean power and it's called nuclear. Read up on it and find out which party has prevented it from being used. The only incident in the US was 8 mi. island where radiation = to a chest xray was released, but it's off the table for something supposedly so urgent. Your own side is to blame.

Right to vote under siege? Huh? You're one of those white people who think black voters are stupid I take it. They have ID, and are fine w/ presenting it to ensure safe elections. ~80% approval rating in cities in a few polls, all others well over 50%.

Centrists are far leftists these days. We've seen what "compromise" means to Socialists, and we (like you've been for a long time) are no longer interested.

I did database work for the Census bureau and have a more than enough muscle memory statistics to see right through what you are repeating from whoever misinformed you. I was brainwashed once, I meant well - I'm sure (I hope) you do too, but you are misinformed.

Wowwie fluffing zowwie, did you really pull "I'm not racist, I have friends who are blackies, but MAAAATH!"? Protip for the future, comrade: this is not a way to prove yourself as anything but biased. If your point rang true at all, you wouldn't have even needed to say it. Ironically, I think Critical Race Theory might have done you a service, since you seem to view things by convenient statistics rather than practical means and methods.

I'd heard all those statistics growing up, but it was obvious why things were the way they were because I grew up in the reality of it all. Poor neighborhoods and roots in exploitation leave desperate folks to eke out a living any way they can, and rich folk commonly try to remedy the situation with over-policing... which amps up oppression tactics and fear, which makes things more desperate, which makes things worse in perpetuity and HEYHEY, would you look at that, the attempted method to solve the problem has utterly failed to handle things and lead to riots! Who could have guessed? :teach:

Voter suppression tactics aren't simple klansmen putting on hoods and saying "No minorities 'cuz they aren't superior like us!", but "No id which costs money and requires a clear history and we don't care if we've done things to make that more difficult for you and oh yeah since many of you have to work multiple jobs to afford the bare minimum no early voting with your church groups and more scrutiny for ethnic sounding names on mail in voting when its even allowed!" Your work for the census bureau is cute, but I've spent time in the Registrar of Voters at every level of the process, and I can tell you that your viewpoint here is not only misinformed, but hurtful in the extreme and dead wrong.

As for riots and violent protests, leftists have been run over, minorities have been murdered in droves, politicians have been threatened, and our own law enforcement has been speaking out for ages that the alt right is a terror threat. Sure, minority on minority crime is a tragedy and is prevalent statistically, but looking at problems objectively and finding solutions is more important than just pointing out skin colour and proclaiming "Solved it, darn darkies but what can you do... but I'm not racist!"

Deleted User · Jul 26, 2021

Dakitten said:
Wowwie fluffing zowwie, did you really pull "I'm not racist, I have friends who are blackies, but MAAAATH!"? Protip for the future, comrade: this is not a way to prove yourself as anything but biased. If your point rang true at all, you wouldn't have even needed to say it. Ironically, I think Critical Race Theory might have done you a service, since you seem to view things by convenient statistics rather than practical means and methods.

I'm not your comrade. I don't bend my views to try and please people who endorse CRT or find common ground anymore. You and I have no common ground based off your CRT endorsement alone. I don't care what you think - and I'm sure that goes both ways. Don't want 'protips' from you - don't give a shit.

Your work for the census bureau is cute, but I've spent time in the Registrar of Voters at every level of the process, and I can tell you that your viewpoint here is not only misinformed, but hurtful in the extreme and dead wrong.

If you are dealing w/ politics based off feelings, and post no statistics to back your claims, then you will convince nobody. But that's not why you're here. At every level huh? How old are you? I just retired, and don't need lectures about how the process works. You don't know anything about me but what I've told you. I've done work for the government - mostly in defense but completely - for more years than you've been alive, if I had to make a guess.

As for riots and violent protests, leftists have been run over, minorities have been murdered in droves, politicians have been threatened, and our own law enforcement has been speaking out for ages that the alt right is a terror threat. Sure, minority on minority crime is a tragedy and is prevalent statistically, but looking at problems objectively and finding solutions is more important than just pointing out skin colour and proclaiming "Solved it, darn darkies but what can you do... but I'm not racist!"

If you get in front of my car while a mob swarms me, I'll run you over too. And my state is fine w/ that. Self defense. The same law enforcement who let people into Congress on Jan 6? That you claim is rife w/ white supremes? Everyone is a white supreme who disagees w/ you. White supreme pizza.

No, you pulled that 'not racist' stuff out of your ass. I can make objective - young people love that word - I prefer factual - deductions about you based off what you posted . You are why anyone espousing white supremacy needs to really have a God moment and seriously rethink things. "dam darkies" ? That's your filthy mind speaking.

Want FBI/crime statistics with actual numbers of who commits crimes, where the guns they use to commit such crimes come from, what types of weapons are used ? Because they don't back up your party's claims about right wing extremism. Nothing does. I am not 'right wing' either. Not a fan.

I think independently. I voted for Obama twice. Democrat policy in action is what changed my mind. I vote Republican usually because I am a tournament / competitive marksman and your party knows very little about guns. I'm also one who cares about life in general - did you know roughly half of black pregnancies' were snuffed out in VA? The numbers are not wildly different across states, but they do differ. BLM right?

I grew up in a time when people saw each other as intelligent human beings and we judged each other off merit, not group identity. MLK had a dream similar to this but your line of thinking has nothing to do w/ him, a man of faith - w/ many moral shortcomings - but his vision remains solid and righteous.

Dakitten · Jul 27, 2021

eastwald said:
I'm not your comrade. I don't bend my views to try and please people who endorse CRT or find common ground anymore. You and I have no common ground based off your CRT endorsement alone. I don't care what you think - and I'm sure that goes both ways. Don't want 'protips' from you - don't give a shit.

If you are dealing w/ politics based off feelings, and post no statistics to back your claims, then you will convince nobody. But that's not why you're here. At every level huh? How old are you? I just retired, and don't need lectures about how the process works. You don't know anything about me but what I've told you. I've done work for the government - mostly in defense but completely - for more years than you've been alive, if I had to make a guess.

If you get in front of my car while a mob swarms me, I'll run you over too. And my state is fine w/ that. Self defense. The same law enforcement who let people into Congress on Jan 6? That you claim is rife w/ white supremes? Everyone is a white supreme who disagees w/ you. White supreme pizza.

No, you pulled that 'not racist' stuff out of your ass. I can make objective - young people love that word - I prefer factual - deductions about you based off what you posted . You are why anyone espousing white supremacy needs to really have a God moment and seriously rethink things. "dam darkies" ? That's your filthy mind speaking.

Want FBI/crime statistics with actual numbers of who commits crimes, where the guns they use to commit such crimes come from, what types of weapons are used ? Because they don't back up your party's claims about right wing extremism. Nothing does. I am not 'right wing' either. Not a fan.

I think independently. I voted for Obama twice. Democrat policy in action is what changed my mind. I vote Republican usually because I am a tournament / competitive marksman and your party knows very little about guns. I'm also one who cares about life in general - did you know roughly half of black pregnancies' were snuffed out in VA? The numbers are not wildly different across states, but they do differ. BLM right?

I grew up in a time when people saw each other as intelligent human beings and we judged each other off merit, not group identity. MLK had a dream similar to this but your line of thinking has nothing to do w/ him, a man of faith - w/ many moral shortcomings - but his vision remains solid and righteous.

Anyone has the potential to turn into a comrade at any time, you just have to look past yourself long enough to embrace it! Also, you really should take that tip, because wow... you really are pushing the "that guy" narrative here! But thanks for freeing up your white guilt points by voting for Obama... who was a centrist... that didn't do much for minority rights... oh, and for acknowledging MLK as a great man with a lot of issues and a sliver of a vision convenient to your narrative! Also, "stupid black folk, they have abortions because of skin colour and not economic and social issues!" #notracist

I'm guessing you haven't looked at other threads you've joined in any detail, I'm happy to provide sources whenever there's something needed. In cases like crazed right wing shootings, I'd make my fingers bleed posting all the murder so I'd rather not travel down the list one gunshot at a time. You're welcome to check the wiki for a sampling of the fun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_attacks

You've disclosed many statements about yourself across several threads where you poke in with your nonsense, but you're often lacking in sources and high in vitamin crazy. You obviously are a religious fellow of privilege who enjoys right wing activities and expensive toys (guns at the very least) who votes more to the right than the left, but because you've done it at least a couple times you consider yourself an independent free thinker as you stare down your 50s with fear for the future. Congratulations, you're desperately lacking in self awareness.

kevin corms · Jul 27, 2021

This bill would have completely screwed Biden over, I guess he doesn't care since he wont run again. Still so upset we didnt get Bernie. Ill have to look at the bill myself a bit closer, wikipedia has become corporate propaganda in many cases. Some of it is ridiculous, you cant have voting without proving who you are... why would Democrats want this? No other country would leave themselves so vulnerable to fraud, unless the people in power were in control of the fraud.

Im also curious what these vague "ethics" rules will be, just a loophole allowing the democrats to use big tech and their media connections to get rid officials that don't play along?

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Dakitten said:
Anyone has the potential to turn into a comrade at any time, you just have to look past yourself long enough to embrace it! Also, you really should take that tip, because wow... you really are pushing the "that guy" narrative here! But thanks for freeing up your white guilt points by voting for Obama... who was a centrist... that didn't do much for minority rights... oh, and for acknowledging MLK as a great man with a lot of issues and a sliver of a vision convenient to your narrative! Also, "stupid black folk, they have abortions because of skin colour and not economic and social issues!" #notracist

I'm guessing you haven't looked at other threads you've joined in any detail, I'm happy to provide sources whenever there's something needed. In cases like crazed right wing shootings, I'd make my fingers bleed posting all the murder so I'd rather not travel down the list one gunshot at a time. You're welcome to check the wiki for a sampling of the fun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_terrorist_attacks

You've disclosed many statements about yourself across several threads where you poke in with your nonsense, but you're often lacking in sources and high in vitamin crazy. You obviously are a religious fellow of privilege who enjoys right wing activities and expensive toys (guns at the very least) who votes more to the right than the left, but because you've done it at least a couple times you consider yourself an independent free thinker as you stare down your 50s with fear for the future. Congratulations, you're desperately lacking in self awareness.

You don't go outside much do you? Every post I ever read from you is just a bunch of talking points where you don't actually make any point, just fallacy arguments. If you really want to support left wing politics just be quiet, you are the kind of person right wingers would point to in an ad hominem attack.

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