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Democrats fail to advance the For the People Act

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Failed to fetch tweet https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1407467228329615375

This is very good news as you know democrats wanted to mess up the elections by destroying all layers of security and pretty much have the federal government take elections from the states.
I'm for one not in favor of the federal take over of elections.

Dead people voting won't be legalized and you should show your ID to vote
 

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The For the People Act dramatically strengthened election security. It wouldn't have "destroyed" all or any layers of security. The For the People Act would not have caused "the federal government to take elections from the states." The bill would not have allowed dead people to vote, it would not have done anything to stop states from mitigating dead people voting, and it would not have banned the requirement of voter ID.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/policy-solutions/annotated-guide-people-act-2021#t1-top

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/three-false-claims-about-the-federal-voting-rights-bill/

The For the People Act was very popular. It had roughly 70% support from Americans, including majority support from Republicans. There aren't many arguments against the bill, which is why some people have to make up arguments against it.
 

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The For the People Act dramatically strengthened election security. It wouldn't have "destroyed" all or any layers of security. The For the People Act would not have caused "the federal government to take elections from the states." The bill would not have allowed dead people to vote, it would not have done anything to stop states from mitigating dead people voting, and it would not have banned the requirement of voter ID.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/policy-solutions/annotated-guide-people-act-2021#t1-top

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/three-false-claims-about-the-federal-voting-rights-bill/

The For the People Act was very popular. It had roughly 70% support from Americans, including majority support from Republicans. There aren't many arguments against the bill, which is why some people have to make up arguments against it.
Sorry Lacius Nobody wants the federal government to take over state elections
 

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Sorry Lacius Nobody wants the federal government to take over state elections

What if the elections that states were running were unfair? What if the state government was run by one party and deliberately reduced the number of polling places in opposing districts intentionally to keep their power? What if they made hundreds of thousands of people share the same polling place? What if those people had to wait for literally days in line in the snow and the cold for the right to vote at said limited polling places? What if many of those people had to take unpaid time off work and were already living paycheck to paycheck. What if this all happened during a deadly pandemic? What if alternatives to waiting in that line like early voting and absentee voting were restricted or removed? What if the votes didn't even matter because gerrymandered districts allow the politician to create districts they cannot lose?

This isn't hypothetical. Democracy isn't supposed to be like that. Ideally, this wouldn't be a partisan issue. There are ways to make elections both secure and accessible, but one party is intentionally not even trying to improve things, because the unfair system benefits them.
 
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"But did you read my propaganda on how federal regulations are not really federal regulations?"

“Democrats just voted to ban voter ID nationwide.”

When we asked for support for that claim, Lauren Fine, a spokeswoman for Scalise, told us: “The exceptions are so wide that it renders voter ID laws unenforceable and useless in the states that have it.”

Even though "H.R. 1 wouldn’t ban state laws that ask voters to show identification at the polls, as Scalise and others have said""..."there is an option for those who don’t have ID to offer a signed statement instead during federal elections." So it would just make ID laws unenforceable and useless like his office said when asked for supporting clarification. It's not a ban on the IDs themselves, but an effective ban on their enforcement. But we will ignore that and rate it as a false claim anyway.

"The second claim — also promoted by Republican lawmakers, such as Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York — isn’t true, either.

Stefanik took to Twitter to claim that the bill would: “Prevent removal of ineligible voters from registration rolls.”"

Just kidding. It's true.

"The bill would prohibit the use of one method for removing voters from the rolls -- which involves sending mass mailings to registered voters, then removing or challenging the registrations of voters for whom the mailings were returned as non-deliverable."

Oh, and allowing felons to vote? Who cares.

That's the gist of your post Lacius. Maybe you should give your politifact article a good read.
 
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If you need to show an ID for insignificant things such as buying tobacco or marijuana I think something as important as voting should require you to show an ID.

I also don't buy the Liberals "oh, black folks are too stupid to get an actual State ID or a State License card". Minorities are just as capable as the majority.
 
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I'm not saying Trump should've won, but the last voting was janked up beyond belief. No idea if shady things went on, but I'm sure they did. I voted Trump and I accept he didn't win. It happens in democracy.

That being said, we should have no mail in voting unless physically unable to vote. There should not be any early voting. I do think we should do a week long vote or something more than 1 day. ID's should absolutely be a must, and if you can't get a license, states should do exactly what GA does and give free state ID's. That way every adult has access to an ID. Absentee voting shouldn't change.

That's it. These simple changes can up the security tremendously and allow for everyone that is eligible to vote to vote. Mail in voting is too unsecure. there are too many hands that touch the ballots to get it to the right person and get it back to be counted. It really should be an honest last resort.

Also to those who think Democrats are prevalent in this US, look at the red vs blue map of the states. I really think something should be done because most of the blue states are only blue because of the major heavily populated cities. I don't think most of America's land should be dictated by small over populated areas. Now I have no idea how to make it fair and change it for the better but it needs to change really somehow. What's good for those over populated cities is not what's good for the 85% rest of the US, and vice versa.

My two cents. and not worth anymore than that. haha
 
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Mail in voting is too unsecure.
It's proven itself more secure than in-person voting in states that had it available for years before COVID.

there are too many hands that touch the ballots to get it to the right person and get it back to be counted.
Like postal workers? Their jobs are shitty enough without being indicted on federal charges for tampering.

I really think something should be done because most of the blue states are only blue because of the major heavily populated cities. I don't think most of America's land should be dictated by small over populated areas.
This makes zero sense. Land doesn't vote, people do. Democracy is majority wins, that's how it works. That doesn't mean we have to continue locking ourselves into a two-party system by using first past the post, though.
 
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It's proven itself more secure than in-person voting in states that had it available for years before COVID.


Like postal workers? Their jobs are shitty enough without being indicted on federal charges for tampering.


This makes zero sense. Land doesn't vote, people do. Democracy is majority wins, that's how it works. That doesn't mean we have to continue locking ourselves into a two-party system by using first past the post, though.

It has been proven by media. Not actual studies. Which is the problem. Media, social and normal is too bias and people believe it for what the author sees it as. Most don't take an objective view of the topic and most don't research more than one news outlet. If they even read the whole story and not just the title.

And postal workers are human and have been caught doing things way worse imo. So yea people with shitty jobs have less to lose usually. And yes they were caught discarding ballots and such everywhere.

And it totally makes sense. I get that majority wins but what is good for those small land masses is not good for the other areas. and vice versa. so they shouldn't dictate the laws and rules and policies for the entire nation like it happens. Again I have no idea how to change it cause essentially if you did it would take away the whole majority rules but a state should not be blue and all electoral votes go to that person because 1 city is over populated and voted blue. The rest of state was red so some electoral votes should go red.

idk it's all above my pay grade. I just vote and go with what I learn. A lot needs to change, mainly all the old fogies in charge. Term limits and normal pay/retirement/benefits for those in congress for one. If you're a millionaire you shouldn't be in congress cause usually you aren't working for the people, you're working for your pocketbook. \

Not trying to argue but these are all problems that need to be fixed and our "leaders" are too rich and have old school ways of thinking and have their heads so far up their own asses to actually fix things. A covid relief package should not be thousands of pages and encompass anything but covid relief. No budget add-ons or new fbi/government buildings or funds for anything but Covid relief.
 
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It has been proven by media. Not actual studies. Which is the problem.
No, it's been proven by the official state and federal audits for voter fraud. Most elections see roughly twenty cases of it, this last election saw around ten, and most of those were double votes for Trump.

And postal workers are human and have been caught doing things way worse imo. So yea people with shitty jobs have less to lose usually. And yes they were caught discarding ballots and such everywhere.
I'm guessing you have one single anecdotal source for this, if you have any source for it at all.

And it totally makes sense. I get that majority wins but what is good for those small land masses is not good for the other areas. and vice versa. so they shouldn't dictate the laws and rules and policies for the entire nation like it happens.
That's frankly irrelevant, we have state and local governments for that very reason. The federal government has a virtually non-existent role on the individual level, and in many ways that's preferable, except in times of need.

Again I have no idea how to change it cause essentially if you did it would take away the whole majority rules but a state should not be blue and all electoral votes go to that person because 1 city is over populated and voted blue. The rest of state was red so some electoral votes should go red.
The beef you've got is with both the electoral college and first past the post voting. If we abolish the electoral college and establish nationwide ranked voting, one person would equal one vote (no more winner of a state takes all), more parties would have the opportunity to compete with the big two, and no one single party would be able to amass too much power without support from others.

A covid relief package should not be thousands of pages and encompass anything but covid relief. No budget add-ons or ne fbi buildings or funds for anything but Covid relief.
Just more compromises that had to be made in order to pass the bill. Another consequence of the two-party system.
 

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Lacius I'm sorry but you will need to still need your ID to vote
I mail in my ballot. Fuck a voter ID. Y'all are against places asking for vaccination ID, but you're all for voter ID. Hypocrites to the extreme...
 

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I mail in my ballot. Fuck a voter ID. Y'all are against places asking for vaccination ID, but you're all for voter ID. Hypocrites to the extreme...

I'm for both. I just don't think the requirements for voting IDs should be damn near impossible to get if you don't have literally all day and a lot of money to spend on the phone trying to track down a birth certificate, which sometimes you can't get without ID... Which you can't get without birth certificate. Voting IDs should be free *period* as well,. not close to 20 dollars, and getting to the one place in 45 miles to get a voter ID shouldn't be near impossible for people who can't drive.
 

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I mail in my ballot. Fuck a voter ID. Y'all are against places asking for vaccination ID, but you're all for voter ID. Hypocrites to the extreme...
O yes they are same thing what a big IQ post

Sorry i wont eat the bugs
 

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O yes they are same thing what a big IQ post

Sorry i wont eat the bugs
Proof of vaccination literally helps keep people alive. The voter ID movement is meant to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters and rile up the conservative base about fake election fraud. I agree with you; they aren't the same.
 

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