Five Nights At Freddy's creator, Scott Cawthon, has retired from game development

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Seriously what's the most pathetic thing in this topic is the intolerant left. Because he voted trump he's an evil person by association of the republican party? My god people, and you wonder why so many people dislike the further-left democrats. You guys are the definition of intolerant.
The most pathetic thing I've seen is probably the hypocritical posts about how one group of people (Scott and other conservatives) are free to donate money to politicians, express conservative views, and even enact deplorable policies that, for example, hurt LGBT people, but another group of people can't express their views and decide how they want to spend their own money.

When a person gives money to someone as deplorable as the former president (see my previous posts in this thread for the deplorable actions and even atrocities committed by the former president), it should rightfully be criticized, and damn right people shouldn't feel compelled to give that guy money if they disagree with him and don't want their money used in that way.

You wonder why so many people think those who are mindlessly critical of "cancel culture" are out of touch.

The Republicans aren't gonna kill LGBTQ+ or strip them of their jobs if they win a presidential election (edit: Hell, they didn't really do that at all from all 4 years of Trump running the show!)
LGBT people lost basic job protections, as well as many other rights, as a result of the former administration being in power. You seem to forget, for example, that trans people were literally kicked out of the military by the former president, for example.

Violence against LGBT people abroad occurred in part because the former administration explicitly refused to condemn it, and violence against LGBT people in this country occurred in large part because the former administration refused to talk about it or do anything about it.

yet even before the Republicans were out of office you Democrats wanted to take away every Republican minded person's job in the world and half of you all seem to wish them dead!
This is made-up nonsense. I'm unaware of any serious Democratic politician or any significant number of Democratic voters (let alone half) who ever advocated for Republicans "having their jobs taken away" or "being killed." It's not a good sign when your response to my post is stuff that only exists in your imagination. In fact, I've never once heard these things from anybody.

You guys are freaking atrocious human beings, even in comparison to the very Republicans you hate.
In your imagination, maybe. Those things you listed above that are in your head are really awful.

I'm not really required to respond to your BS points if I don't want to.
No you're not, but here you are, so maybe you should not whine about doing so.

but this is just a forum thread on the internet on a small website and most people responding here are acting like babies.
I agree with you that there are people responding in this thread who are acting like babies, but I don't think they're the people you're thinking of. The people who are whining and acting like babies are the people hypocritically criticizing those who condemn Scott's actions (freedom of speech) and choose not to spend their money in ways they morally disagree with, but give Scott a pass.

There are figurative babies in this thread who act like the "cancellation" of Scott is anything other than people expressing their opinions about Scott's actions, which were morally reprehensible, and making their own decision about what ultimately happens to their money after they spend it. Some people have some growing up to do.

But you do act like you're all knowing. I've seen enough posts to see what a pompous person you are, acting like your way is the right way and all that.
I've never once said or suggested that I'm all-knowing or infallible. In fact, I've expressed on numerous occasions that I am quite fallible. Just because I think I'm right doesn't mean I think I'm always right. You might be interested to know that just about everybody thinks that what they post is correct. That's how things work.

I've had many debates with libs across the interwebs, and seen debates with them, and I gotta tell you, it'd be a better use of time talking to a brick wall than trying to converse with these people.
"Your points are BS."
"You're pompous."
"It's useless trying to debate with liberals, and you'd be better off talking to a brick wall."

Tell me again where the substantive points in your post were. It looked like a lot of huff and fluff to me. People who genuinely have substantive responses don't say things like that instead; they just provide the substantive response.

Hot take: I never cared for the FNAF games. Slideshows aren't great from a gameplay perspective. I'm gonna go ahead and say nothing of value was lost.
I don't think I've even thought of FNAF since around 2014 or 2015. I played the first one (I didn't buy it), and while it seemed a little cheap and basic as many indie games are, I didn't think it was bad, and I had students who talked about it around that time. If I had known about Scott's political donations back then, I probably would have shrugged and just not played it at all. The only reason I'm responding in this thread is because there are a lot of people criticizing the condemnations of Scott without realizing the hypocrisy of doing so. Doxxing and harassment are wrong, and I don't think anyone in this thread would disagree with that, but the criticisms of Scott are fair, whether or not one agrees with them.
 
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The most pathetic thing I've seen is probably the hypocritical posts about how one group of people (Scott and other conservatives) are free to donate money to politicians, express conservative views, and even enact deplorable policies that, for example, hurt LGBT people, but another group of people can't express their views and decide how they want to spend their own money.

When a person gives money to someone as deplorable as the former president (see my previous posts in this thread for the deplorable actions and even atrocities committed by the former president), it should rightfully be criticized, and damn right people shouldn't feel compelled to give that guy money if they disagree with him and don't want their money used in that way.

You wonder why so many people think those who are mindlessly critical of "cancel culture" are out of touch.


LGBT people lost basic job protections, as well as many other rights, as a result of the former administration being in power. You seem to forget, for example, that trans people were literally kicked out of the military by the former president, for example.

Violence against LGBT people abroad occurred in part because the former administration explicitly refused to condemn it, and violence against LGBT people in this country occurred in large part because the former administration refused to talk about it or do anything about it.


This is made-up nonsense. I'm unaware of any serious Democratic politician or any significant number of Democratic voters (let alone half) who ever advocated for Republicans "having their jobs taken away" or "being killed." It's not a good sign when your response to my post is stuff that only exists in your imagination. In fact, I've never once heard these things from anybody.


In your imagination, maybe. Those things you listed above that are in your head are really awful.


No you're not, but here you are, so maybe you should not whine about doing so.


I agree with you that there are people responding in this thread who are acting like babies, but I don't think they're the people you're thinking of. The people who are whining and acting like babies are the people hypocritically criticizing those who condemn Scott's actions (freedom of speech) and choose not to spend their money in ways they morally disagree with, but give Scott a pass.

There are figurative babies in this thread who act like the "cancellation" of Scott is anything other than people expressing their opinions about Scott's actions, which were morally reprehensible, and making their own decision about what ultimately happens to their money after they spend it. Some people have some growing up to do.


I've never once said or suggested that I'm all-knowing or infallible. In fact, I've expressed on numerous occasions that I am quite fallible. Just because I think I'm right doesn't mean I think I'm always right. You might be interested to know that just about everybody thinks that what they post is correct. That's how things work.


"Your points are BS."
"You're pompous."
"It's useless trying to debate with liberals, and you'd be better off talking to a brick wall."

Tell me again where the substantive points in your post were. It looked like a lot of huff and fluff to me. People who genuinely have substantive responses don't say things like that instead; they just provide the substantive response.


I don't think I've even thought of FNAF since around 2014 or 2015. I played the first one (I didn't buy it), and while it seemed a little cheap and basic as many indie games are, I didn't think it was bad, and I had students who talked about it around that time. If I had known about Scott's political donations back then, I probably would have shrugged and just not played it at all. The only reason I'm responding in this thread is because there are a lot of people criticizing the condemnations of Scott without realizing the hypocrisy of doing so. Doxxing and harassment are wrong, and I don't think anyone in this thread would disagree with that, but the criticisms of Scott are fair, whether or not one agrees with them.

You remind me of those people who just love to hear themselves talk, or in this case, love to read out your own long winded responses.
 

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You remind me of those people who just love to hear themselves talk, or in this case, love to read out your own long winded responses.
I do often like to hear myself talk and read my own posts, but that's irrelevant to the conversation, the topic, and this thread. Please make sure you respond directly to my posts or tag me by name if you end up having something substantive to say in response to my posts. I don't always see new posts directed at me when I'm rereading my own posts, and I depend on notifications. Thank you.

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1. People on both sides need to do their research.
I'm not sure what research someone needs to do after they've read what Scott has done, rightfully condemned his actions, and decided they didn't want Scott to get anymore of their money since they don't want it to be used to enable atrocities or take people's civil liberties away.
 

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The most pathetic thing I've seen is probably the hypocritical posts about how one group of people (Scott and other conservatives) are free to donate money to politicians, express conservative views, and even enact deplorable policies that, for example, hurt LGBT people, but another group of people can't express their views and decide how they want to spend their own money.

Putting words in my mouth as you're wont to do Lucius? What people are not allowed to do is wish people to lose their livelihood/jobs over their political choices, that, (EDIT) their right to their political freedom,(/EDIT) is the VERY ESSENCE of "Freedom of Politics". If you wish them out of the way, do so by voting, and winning, over, and over, and over, until the political opinion of the opposition dies out and a new party arises, or accept that maybe YOUR opinion's the wrong one.

When a person gives money to someone as deplorable as the former president (see my previous posts in this thread for the deplorable actions and even atrocities committed by the former president), it should rightfully be criticized, and damn right people shouldn't feel compelled to give that guy money if they disagree with him and don't want their money used in that way.

Then make their investments dead weight. Speak with the words of the people, not the words of cancel. He's welcomed to his opinion as much as you are yours, it's when your opinion threatens another's livelihood that you're exiting 'political speech' and entering a realm I could only explain as "verbal lynching".

You wonder why so many people think those who are mindlessly critical of "cancel culture" are out of touch.

I know to cancel stuff too. I stopped following Coke after their anti-White campaign and haven't looked back, because ANY form of overt racist mentality is unwelcomed in my mind. (Edit!) The difference? I ain't doxing, threatening to lynch, so on and so forth until they drop out of business entirely, I simply stopped buying their products. MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LEFT'S GOAL WITH THE FNAF CREATOR???

LGBT people lost basic job protections, as well as many other rights, as a result of the former administration being in power. You seem to forget, for example, that trans people were literally kicked out of the military by the former president, for example.

Proof, and I don't mean stories, I mean documented proof not from MSM (I trust *none* of MSM mind you, so don't try to claim any media station better than another. I want FOIA requests). I am not saying you're wrong, but I heard absolutely nothing of this over the 4 years.

Violence against LGBT people abroad occurred in part because the former administration explicitly refused to condemn it, and violence against LGBT people in this country occurred in large part because the former administration refused to talk about it or do anything about it.

And this administration permits violence, arson, murder, etc, against whole cities and explicitly refuse to condemn it. Such as the vandalism committed in the wake of George Floyd's murder.

This is made-up nonsense. I'm unaware of any serious Democratic politician or any significant number of Democratic voters (let alone half) who ever advocated for Republicans "having their jobs taken away" or "being killed." It's not a good sign when your response to my post is stuff that only exists in your imagination. In fact, I've never once heard these things from anybody.

In your own words: "It's occuring in large part because the current administration refuses to talk about it or do anything about it". And trust me, it isn't hard to find democrats/left leaners crying for Republicans losing jobs or being killed. It's happening in this topic for love of Ra.

You are so narrow minded in your views it's hilarious, and I know you won't like me flipping your own words against you either. You're the exact sort of gaslighter I hate.
 
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Putting words in my mouth as you're wont to do Lucius? What people are not allowed to do is wish people to lose their livelihood/jobs over their political choices, that, (EDIT) their right to their political freedom,(/EDIT) is the VERY ESSENCE of "Freedom of Politics". If you wish them out of the way, do so by voting, and winning, over, and over, and over, until the political opinion of the opposition dies out and a new party arises, or accept that maybe YOUR opinion's the wrong one.
I don't condone anyone being forced to lose their job solely because of their political beliefs or political donations, but Scott accepted the consequences of his actions when he donated money to the former president. If people stop buying Scott's games because of Scott's actions, that's on Scott, not the people justifiably responding to his political donations.

You keep going on about political freedom, but you're continuing to hypocritically ignore the political freedom of those who wish to speak about against Scott's actions, which they legitimately disagree with, and boycott him. You might want to take an introspective look at why you're applying a double standard.

Then make their investments dead weight. Speak with the words of the people, not the words of cancel. He's welcomed to his opinion as much as you are yours, it's when your opinion threatens another's livelihood that you're exiting 'political speech' and entering a realm I could only explain as "verbal lynching".
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism, and you seem to be arguing that Scott is somehow entitled to the money that belongs to people who don't want to give him their money. You also seem to be ignoring the fact that the only person intentionally trying to hurt anybody's livelihood is the former president and those who donated to his campaign. You can see my post from earlier in this thread about how the former administration attacked the livelihoods of LGBT people, for example.

If Scott does something that makes people not want to patronize his video games anymore, that's Scott's fault, and it's Scott's problem. It's not the fault of anyone else, and nobody else has done anything wrong.

I know to cancel stuff too. I stopped following Coke after their anti-White campaign and haven't looked back, because ANY form of overt racist mentality is unwelcomed in my mind. (Edit!) The difference?
First, Coke doesn't seem to have been cancelled. Their stock prices were higher earlier this month than they ever have been in the history of the company. Second, I'm wholly unaware of any "anti-white" campaign of theirs, and I suspect you're misrepresentation whatever they did. My hunch is you're confusing a pro-Black campaign for an anti-white campaign, which says a lot more about you than it does about them. Third, if a company had actually done something deplorable (or even something you thought was deplorable), you are well within your right to condemn the company and boycott it. How is any of that different from what people are doing with FNAF? Once again, you seem to be acting hypocritically.

(Edit!) The difference? I ain't doxing, threatening to lynch, so on and so forth until they drop out of business entirely, I simply stopped buying their products. MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LEFT'S GOAL WITH THE FNAF CREATOR???
Nobody in this thread is condoning harassment, doxxing, etc. That's not what I'm addressing.

Proof, and I don't mean stories, I mean documented proof not from MSM (I trust *none* of MSM mind you, so don't try to claim any media station better than another. I want FOIA requests). I am not saying you're wrong, but I heard absolutely nothing of this over the 4 years.
Earlier in this thread, I posted a very long list of specific examples of what the former administration did to target and hurt LGBT people in this country. Each instance is easy to verify and aren't even refuted by the former administration. Go find the list.

And this administration permits violence, arson, murder, etc, against whole cities and explicitly refuse to condemn it. Such as the vandalism committed in the wake of George Floyd's murder.
I haven't seen the Biden administration condone or permit "violence, arson, murder, etc. against whole cities." Joe Biden has consistently condemned violence. Check out the remarks by President Biden on the verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial for the murder of George Floyd. It's not a good sign when you have to make things up to make a point.

In your own words: "It's occuring in large part because the current administration refuses to talk about it or do anything about it". And trust me, it isn't hard to find democrats/left leaners crying for Republicans losing jobs or being killed. It's happening in this topic for love of Ra.
You're going to have to be more specific if you want to be respond to this point, because I'm still unaware of any serious Democratic politician or any significant number of Democratic voters (let alone half) who ever advocated for Republicans "having their jobs taken away" or "being killed."

Nobody is saying Scott shouldn't be allowed to make games and attempt to sell them to those who still want them; people are condemning his deplorable actions and choosing to not spend their own money on a guy who is going to use that money to fund an administration that commits atrocities and strips people's rights away. A boycott is different from "a job being taken away" or "someone being killed." I suggest you learn the difference.

You are so narrow minded in your views it's hilarious, and I know you won't like me flipping your own words against you either. You're the exact sort of gaslighter I hate.
I haven't seen my words "flipped against me" in any real way. It's not a good sign when your rebuttals have to resort to happenings that only exist in your imagination and name-calling.
 

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You mean I won't get the same 'horror' experience recycled for the 10th time? But the lore was really working up to go on indefinitely with no major payoffs! What a titan of the gaming industry we have now lost out on. I will surely lose much sleep over this one, why couldn't it have been Miyamoto instead??!
 
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You keep going on about political freedom, but you're continuing to hypocritically ignore the political freedom of those who wish to speak about against Scott's actions, which they legitimately disagree with, and boycott him. You might want to take an introspective look at why you're applying a double standard.

I never once said someone wasn't free to condemn his choice. I said they were condemned to threatening his livelihood. Again, you are putting words in my mouth because you, as usual, are incapable of anything BUT putting words in people's mouths. It's the #1 habit with almost every post you've done on this forum since I joined. You're adding context that isn't there. You're adding concepts that are not expressed. Because that is all you can do. And here, AGAIN, we see you do it, AGAIN, with the same lines of text, AGAIN. Please, for love of god, stop.

By the way, nowhere, once, in here, have you condemned the people who doxxed him, and while you condemn the doxxing, you've yet to condemn the people because it got the result YOU agree with. That is the epitome of a crooked mentality. You are embodying my whole point.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism

Nobody said it gives freedom from criticism. but this isn't about the criticism. It's about the doxxing, the harassment (which is not necessarily criticism), so on and so forth. but again, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, you try to twist what I say AND imply to make it about YOUR narrative.

and you seem to be arguing that Scott is somehow entitled to the money that belongs to people who don't want to give him their money.


I will repeat what I said before:

I know to cancel stuff too. I stopped following Coke after their anti-White campaign and haven't looked back, because ANY form of overt racist mentality is unwelcomed in my mind. (Edit!) The difference? I ain't doxing, threatening to lynch, so on and so forth until they drop out of business entirely, I simply stopped buying their products. MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LEFT'S GOAL WITH THE FNAF CREATOR???

Yet again, you put words in my mouth, and I am honestly tired of you trying to gaslight people, to lie to them what I and others around you say, because the only way you naturally know how to argue is to put words in peoples mouths.

You also seem to be ignoring the fact that the only person intentionally trying to hurt anybody's livelihood is the former president and those who donated to his campaign.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/nybyo1/my_response_and_maybe_last_post/
"but there I was, trending on twitter for being a homophobe, getting doxed, with people threatening to come to my house"

I'm sorry, I don't see how slandering a person as a homophobe and getting doxxed DOESN'T harm their livelihood. Much less threatening to come to one's house because they share a different opinion. Maybe you've never heard of MENTAL TRAUMA/STRESS?

You can see my post from earlier in this thread about how the former administration attacked the livelihoods of LGBT people, for example.

I'm waiting for you to provide documents. I don't believe ANYTHING you say seeing as you've lied about what I've said at least TWICE now.

If Scott does something that makes people not want to patronize his video games anymore, that's Scott's fault, and it's Scott's problem. It's not the fault of anyone else, and nobody else has done anything wrong.

Never said it wasn't his fault. But hey, again, you're putting words in my mouth.

Second, I'm wholly unaware of any "anti-white" campaign of theirs, and I suspect you're misrepresentation whatever they did.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132

To quote:
"“To be less white is: to be less oppressive, to be less arrogant, to be less trusting, to be less defensive, to be less ignorant, to be more humble, to listen, to believe. , break with apathy and break with white solidarity ” ."

There's a link to the twitter post with the documents inside, which mind you, Coke has admitted existed and took them down.

My hunch is you're confusing a pro-Black campaign for an anti-white campaign, which says a lot more about you than it does about them.

Third, if a company had actually done something deplorable (or even something you thought was deplorable), you are well within your right to condemn the company and boycott it. How is any of that different from what people are doing with FNAF? Once again, you seem to be acting hypocritically.

I already answered this. Why is it so hard for you to read things as they are?

The difference? I ain't doxing, threatening to lynch, so on and so forth until they drop out of business entirely, I simply stopped buying their products. MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LEFT'S GOAL WITH THE FNAF CREATOR???

Earlier in this thread, I posted a very long list of specific examples of what the former administration did to target and hurt LGBT people in this country. Each instance is easy to verify and aren't even refuted by the former administration. Go find the list.

Sources. FOIA Requests, Court Documents, Investigative reports released by police agencies. I trust absolutely nothing out of you as a person.

I haven't seen the Biden administration condone or permit "violence, arson, murder, etc. against whole cities." Joe Biden has consistently condemned violence. Check out the remarks by President Biden on the verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial for the murder of George Floyd. It's not a good sign when you have to make things up to make a point.

Where's the federal charges for all the looters/arsonists/etc as their charges were dismissed by Portland and New York, following Biden taking office? Because considering the # of times a Federal Courthouse was hit in Portland alone, I'd expect a damn laundry list of arrests, but they aren't. This is domestic terrorism, the Federal Agencies and Courts have a right to arrest them, but they aren't doing so.

It's Biden's call, and he nor his administration are prosecuting.


You're going to have to be more specific if you want to be respond to this point, because I'm still unaware of any serious Democratic politician or any significant number of Democratic voters (let alone half) who ever advocated for Republicans "having their jobs taken away" or "being killed."

As you said, by not condemning those who are doing such actions, they themselves are condoning the actions. Isn't that how it works? Because IN YOUR OWN WORDS:

Violence against LGBT people abroad occurred in part because the former administration explicitly refused to condemn it, and violence against LGBT people in this country occurred in large part because the former administration refused to talk about it or do anything about it.

Lemme reword this for you:

Violence, murder, looting, arson against people abroad occurred in part because the current administration explicitly refused to condemn it, and such against people in this country occurred in large part because the current administration refuses to talk about it or do anything about it.

Same difference. They like Trump can pass off a light 'plz don't do this', like how Trump gave his half-assed request for the Proud Boys to 'stand down'. But until Biden begins pushing for Federal cases against the Arsonists and the sort, he's spewing platitudes.

I haven't seen my words "flipped against me" in any real way. It's not a good sign when your rebuttals have to resort to happenings that only exist in your imagination and name-calling.

Wow, you really are incapable of realizing just how narrow your entire worldview is. You don't realize that everything you've said about the Republicans ALSO applies to the Democrats.
 
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I don't know why Republicans need any donations at all. All they have to do is just let "Internet Democrats" talk, preferably unrestrained and uncensored, and televise that 24/7.
Conversely, hearing Republicans talk, IRL or online, is also the best recruiting tool that the Democratic party could ask for. Sadly all they can seem to do when in power is step on their own toes, but that's also by design. The few actual left-leaning individuals (progressives) in Congress are drowned out by right-wing Dems and far-right Republicans.
 

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The few actual left-leaning individuals (progressives) in Congress are drowned out by right-wing Dems and far-right Republicans.
Of course they are, for the reason I mentioned above. On the bright side, it keeps the uniparty going - no reason to rock the boat, let the peons argue about stuff that doesn't matter while we all balloon the budget, inflate the currency and rob future generations, since robbing the current generation isn't quite enough to fund legislative escapades. All priced in, no worries.
 
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Of course they are, for the reason I mentioned above. On the bright side, it keeps the uniparty going - no reason to rock the boat, let the peons argue about stuff that doesn't matter while we all balloon the budget, inflate the currency and rob future generations, since robbing the current generation isn't quite enough to fund legislative escapades. All priced in, no worries.
It's corporations and their lobbyists successfully robbing current and future generations of the "American dream" and everything else. Not coincidentally they also benefit most from the way the right-wing uniparty operates. Let's see how long they hold out on the infrastructure bill when crumbling roads and bridges start hitting their bottom lines hardest of all.
 

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It's corporations and their lobbyists successfully robbing current and future generations of the "American dream" and everything else. Not coincidentally they also benefit most from the way the right-wing uniparty operates. Let's see how long they hold out on the infrastructure bill when crumbling roads and bridges start hitting their bottom lines hardest of all.
Nonsense. It's entirely the fault of the government and central banking.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...ours-to-buy-one-unit-of-the-sp-500-2020-01-02

You have to work in excess of 120 hours in order to purchase one share of the S&P500 index, the de facto investment into your own future. In the 80's your parents had to work 20 for the same share, and they had ostensibly "lower" wages. If you're concerned about anything else, you're being distracted from your future being sold for boondogles in the present... but that's not really a subject for a thread about a developer retiring.
 
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Thread isn't really holding my interest by this point, but a timely meme came up, so here you go:

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(R.I.P. Jessica Walter :sad:)
 
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Thread isn't really holding my interest by this point, but a timely meme came up, so here you go:

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(R.I.P. Jessica Walter :sad:)
Listen. To. Me.

There's always money *in the banana stand*. :p1ng:

(Also great as Archer's mother, Malory. Drinking at the pearly gates now, no doubt.)
 

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I am very amused that if you are from this or that "community" you should vote yes or yes for a specific candidate.


If you are Gay it does not make you part of the LGBT community.
If you are a Woman, it does not make you part of the Feminist community.

Each person is different, do not try to group the thought by gender, sexuality or race.
 

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