Five Nights At Freddy's creator, Scott Cawthon, has retired from game development

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it sucks that this is our world today, but Scott had a good run. 'll always respect that guy. (Tbh I don't think he even NEEDED to retire, the situation wasn't that bad. I think he was probably wanting an excuse to retire, and twitter-babies getting upset over meaningless things, "cancelling" is usually a good reason)\

This is basically just another example of not going with society and the elites' narrative, and getting hated for it. I'm really proud of Scott for sticking to his beliefs, though. God bless him
 
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Are you suggesting we aren't allowed to judge a person for their words, actions, and the content of one's character? Hell yes I'm condemning a person for financially supporting deplorable candidates with deplorable policies, and rightfully so.

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Nobody is arguing he didn't have the legal freedom to donate to political candidates. That doesn't mean what he did isn't deserving of rightful condemnation.

Death threats and attempting to destroy someone's livelihood is somehow not worse than supporting a broad ideology. Do you think when he donated to the party he filled out a form specifically stating he wanted his donation to be put towards fighting lgbt rights? He probably supported the party that would give him a bigger tax break with his newly found wealth. The idea and generalization that all republicans are inherently evil is casting the same harmful and hatemongering stereotypes that the cancellers are fighting to stop.
 

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What's the point of bringing up controversies? It doesn't really seem fitting for a "this dev is retiring" thread.
 

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I think it's because those controversies were a reason, if not the main reason for his retiring. So, it's on topic.
Oh that's fair. Didn't really consider that. Guess I'll throw my two cents in even though they're not worth much. If we got rid of every artist who held beliefs we didn't like, there'd be no art. The gaming community seems to trend left leaving (I'd guess about a 60/40 split in my observations), so it makes sense that someone openly right winged would get flack, but it seems like a pretty intense game of word association
> Donation to republican politician.
> All right wing politicians hate LGBT people
> Must be a Homophobe
Seems like a lapse in logic to me but okay
 

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Oh that's fair. Didn't really consider that. Guess I'll throw my two cents in even though they're not worth much. If we got rid of every artist who held beliefs we didn't like, there'd be no art. The gaming community seems to trend left leaving (I'd guess about a 60/40 split in my observations), so it makes sense that someone openly right winged would get flack, but it seems like a pretty intense game of word association
> Donation to republican politician.
> All right wing politicians hate LGBT people
> Must be a Homophobe
Seems like a lapse in logic to me but okay
It's a HUGE lapse in logic. But people are quick to assume things like that nowadays, and they aren't much for listening to others either. So, Scott clearly knew this, and he didn't care to try and make the situation better. He simply stated what he honestly believed, and didn't apologize for it. Which is the right thing to do, if you ask me.
 

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It's a HUGE lapse in logic. But people are quick to assume things like that nowadays, and they aren't much for listening to others either. So, Scott clearly knew this, and he didn't care to try and make the situation better. He simply stated what he honestly believed, and didn't apologize for it. Which is the right thing to do, if you ask me.
I agree. It's the same reason why I avoid stating my politics in most situations. People begin to generalize and assume things about me instantly. Especially in an era of anonymity with the internet, you can rarely get to know the character of a person. It's not just one party or the other that does the generalizing-- it's everyone. It makes civilized discussion/debate impossible, so it's best to avoid it entirely. I guess it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.
 

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I agree. It's the same reason why I avoid stating my politics in most situations. People begin to generalize and assume things about me instantly. Especially in an era of anonymity with the internet, you can rarely get to know the character of a person. It's not just one party or the other that does the generalizing-- it's everyone. It makes civilized discussion/debate impossible, so it's best to avoid it entirely. I guess it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.
I completely agree. Well I still state my opinions if somebody asks me, and I let them make a fool of themselves by assuming things about me. Which is why I am careful to find out all the details about what someone believes before having those discussions, as I don't want to assume things like "liberal? must be a communist" or "conservative? must hate gay people"
 

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I completely agree. Well I still state my opinions if somebody asks me, and I let them make a fool of themselves by assuming things about me. Which is why I am careful to find out all the details about what someone believes before having those discussions, as I don't want to assume things like "liberal? must be a communist" or "conservative? must hate gay people"
I have a personal problem of letting what people assume about me make me angry, so I respect people who can remain level headed like you.

I do think the internet is 90% of the reason behind the political unrest these days. I've noticed that if you can shake a man's hand and look him in the eye, he will be much more reasonable despite your difference. The internet strips away everyone's humanity from the president of the united states, all the way down to your average joe schmoe like you and I.
 

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I have a personal problem of letting what people assume about me make me angry, so I respect people who can remain level headed like you.

I do think the internet is 90% of the reason behind the political unrest these days. I've noticed that if you can shake a man's hand and look him in the eye, he will be much more reasonable despite your difference. The internet strips away everyone's humanity from the president of the united states, all the way down to your average joe schmoe like you and I.
Very true. I can admit that sometimes, I have more balls saying things online than in person. I guess I am pretty shy irl, but also it's so easy to say anything online and not worry much about what people think.
 

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Death threats and attempting to destroy someone's livelihood is somehow not worse than supporting a broad ideology. Do you think when he donated to the party he filled out a form specifically stating he wanted his donation to be put towards fighting lgbt rights? He probably supported the party that would give him a bigger tax break with his newly found wealth. The idea and generalization that all republicans are inherently evil is casting the same harmful and hatemongering stereotypes that the cancellers are fighting to stop.
Be fair if you're going to debate this. I haven't seen a single person here defend death threats or threats of violence.
 
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Death threats and attempting to destroy someone's livelihood is somehow not worse than supporting a broad ideology. Do you think when he donated to the party he filled out a form specifically stating he wanted his donation to be put towards fighting lgbt rights? He probably supported the party that would give him a bigger tax break with his newly found wealth. The idea and generalization that all republicans are inherently evil is casting the same harmful and hatemongering stereotypes that the cancellers are fighting to stop.
I haven't seen anybody condone harassment or death threats, so please don't act like I have either.

A person has a right to free speech, a right to their beliefs, and a right to donate to political candidates (within the confines of election finance law). However, a person's political contributions are not free from condemnation and consequences.
  • If a person donates to a candidate who, for example, forcibly ripped families apart at the border for no reason other than to use fear to deter immigration, that rightfully warrants cancellation.
  • If a person donates to a candidate who, for example, did everything in their power to unnecessarily attack LGBT people (including dozens of executive actions and numerous judicial appointments), that rightfully warrants cancellation.
  • If a person donates to a candidate who, for example, regularly says racist things and promotes racist policies, that rightfully warrants cancellation.
  • If a person donates to a candidate who, for example, starts lying about imaginary election fraud before the election even takes place in order to undermine democracy and do anything else it takes to steal the election, that rightfully warrants cancellation.
I don't know why the political donation was made. It could be he just wanted bigger tax breaks, but that doesn't change any of the above, and it means he was willing to sell out immigrants, immigrant children, Black people, LGBT people, women, the environment, etc. for some tax breaks. That rightfully warrants cancellation. It could be he has sincere religious beliefs, as we've known throughout the years, and that's why he gave money to the former president. However, there's a difference between merely holding sincere religious beliefs and being a zealot who gives money to candidates who are going to impose their religious beliefs on the general public in ways that hurt LGBT people, women, etc. That rightfully warrants cancellation.

As I said, he was free to make donations to the candidates of his choosing (within the confines of election law), he has a right to his beliefs, and he had a right to free speech. Nobody is saying otherwise. However, those rights go both ways. If someone acts deplorably, which he has, his fan base has every legal right to condemn his deplorable behavior and not buy his games/merchandise. Scott isn't entitled to anybody's money, and people are free to withhold their money from him because he acted inappropriately.

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What am wondering is: Why did he even donate that money?
Don't them politicians already have waay too much, lol?
Just... keep those, or give them to the people that are struggling to have a decent life, dunno.
*shrug*
A person usually donates money to a candidate when they passionately care about one or more of the policies that candidate is promoting. That's part of what makes his donations so deplorable.

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Oh that's fair. Didn't really consider that. Guess I'll throw my two cents in even though they're not worth much. If we got rid of every artist who held beliefs we didn't like, there'd be no art. The gaming community seems to trend left leaving (I'd guess about a 60/40 split in my observations), so it makes sense that someone openly right winged would get flack, but it seems like a pretty intense game of word association
> Donation to republican politician.
> All right wing politicians hate LGBT people
> Must be a Homophobe
Seems like a lapse in logic to me but okay
  • If it walk likes a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
  • If it talks about instituting homophobic policies and it institutes homophobic policies, it's probably a homophobe.
  • If it talks about having specific religious beliefs that are often used as a defense for homophobic views and gives money to demonstrably homophobic politicians, it's probably a homophobe.
If Scott isn't homophobic, and didn't want to come off as homophobic, he probably shouldn't have behaved like he was homophobic.
 
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Just for giggles

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It's amazing how the hate of Twitter destroys lives.

I am not a fan of FNAF but it seems ridiculous to me that people want to cancel you simply because of your political position, what kind of democracy are we living in?
 
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It's amazing how the hate of Twitter destroys lives.

I am not a fan of FNAF but it seems ridiculous to me that people want to cancel you simply because of your political position, what kind of democracy are we living in?
When someone gives money to candidates who actually destroy lives, that's deplorable, and it's deserving of condemnation.

As I've already said, Scott was free to make donations to the candidates of his choosing (within the confines of election law), he has a right to his beliefs, and he had a right to free speech, but those rights go both ways. If Scott acted deplorably, which he did, his fan base has every right to condemn his deplorable behavior and not buy his games/merchandise. Scott isn't entitled to anybody's money, and people are free to withhold their money from him because he acted inappropriately.

TLDR: If anybody "destroyed" Scott's life, it was Scott.
 

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