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the source was not twitter it was just a trending hashtag
of course that is a ridiculous theory it has nothing to do with Trump h was as controlled as the rest of them ,
didn't accomplish anything he promised except what he promised for israel wow what a shocker
didn't "lock her up" didn't "build a wall" didn't "repeal Obama care" I could go on all day
COVD was for the "great reset" to help fulfil the "sustainable development goals" which are
just an excuse for a totalitarian technocratic society where every single resource is metered and rationed
world communism through AI just like Elon Musks common gutter snipe of a GF/wife baby momma?
eluded to in her tweet

I wasn't trying to discuss Trump, but to be fair no President keeps all of their campaign promises.

As for the virus. Even if it was some global scheme to gain more control that's not what happened. The world governments simply flexed their muscles and that shined a light on exactly how much control they already have.
 
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COVD was for the "great reset" to help fulfil the "sustainable development goals" which are
just an excuse for a totalitarian technocratic society where every single resource is metered and rationed[...]
Do you see to what oversimplification leads? :)

Yes "the great reset" indeed is an ad hoc program, how to get back to some form of "before crisis levels" economic activity. Yes, many people are attaching concepts like sustainability, because basically all the 'change ideology' out there wants to take part in the rebuilding efforts, and yes, partly because you cant rebuild the same as before.Yes, there are technocratic efforts for more metering, because thats always what technocrats would demand (think of any engineer, really.. ;) ) but in terms of "everything gets rationed" - no, just one very important resource. (Driving, flying - maybe, when you can wash your clothes.. ;) Depends... (On what trajectory people are operating on in terms of climate goals.))

So you are not wrong in the details, but probably in the overall meaning you are constructing from it. :)

Because you are leaving out other details, like - Covid being counterproductive from a "everything gets rationed" stance, because it produces pushback. People become sick and tired of being locked down. All of a sudden the aspects of social compatibility of measures are much more in the forefront, than even a year ago - people simply are afraid of cutting down too harshly, because they expect larger pushback. You could argue that it needed something like Covid for people to imagine changing routines at all, but thats not a very convincing argument at face value - and if you then propose, that everything was produced by some overarching all knowing entity, that wanted to manipulate word politics -- judging from whats come from it, its still a very bad plan. 4-8 Mio people are dead, the virus is anything but under control (wait for next winter.. ;) ), CO2 emissions werent reduced by that much, processes that lead to much larger disruption (automatisation, digitisation) were fasttracked, ...

And maybe - maybe, everyone became a little more rational in terms of demands - but even that lead more to a nationalistic trend, then to the opposite. (Not that countries would pivot to national economies again, but maybe make themselfs a little more resistent to supply chain shocks):

And now let me tell you another story. :) One where political and societal changes because of climate related issues were always coming. For the US indeed its a question of "now" or "in fifty years", but for most other countries it isnt. One where technocrats would always try to get things metered more, no matter what. And one where the most impactful result of Covid maybe was to increase spending limits (national debt), in national budgets all over the world. (If Biden gets his "investment trillion", still is far from certain and probably not very likely - but in general, he will be allowed to spend more.). All the other stuff mostly is jumpchange... At least after the first year, because again Covid is far from contained.

If you are worried, that liberalism is a thing of the past - yes currently in germany there is a discussion, if the supreme court was allowed to extend the concept of liberty to further generations, and demand restrictions in behavior, based on that behavior limiting the liberty of future generations. In germany it did.

Yet at the same time, its the (globalized elite - and thereby the) liberals, that are pushing that agenda most. Arguably, because they are afraid of the pushback they see from what they have created over time, without ever looking at what it produced in their 'national economies' - partly because they start to see climate change as a risk profile in itself, that they would have to address. And yes most of the stuff thats promoted there, are empty promises, to look good in front of people. Or the bare minimum, in terms of a global minimum tax, from which Amazon then is exempt again, because it promotes itself as a growth engine, that is always investing...

If you want to go into more detail - I can show you an entry point. I'm not sure If I'll be participating this year - I'm not even sure what a 'digital ticket' costs currently - but if you want to you can at least watch and participate in one of the conferences, where those topics and the actual action plans are discussed for yourself - see what people are doing. At least in europe.

This years EFA registration started yesterday.

This year we will be discussing with Severin Schwan, CEO of Roche, among others, how we can secure Europe as a location for the pharmaceutical industry and make it more attractive. Mairead McGuinness, the EU Commissioner for Financial Stability, and Axel Weber, Chairman of the Board of Directors of UBS, will explain how the Capital Markets Union can be used to finance European ideas for the future, but also to strengthen the innovative strength of European companies. Also in Alpbach, Tomas Pueyo, author and inventor of the “hammer and dance” concept, will discuss perspectives and opportunities post-Corona. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, Director General of the WTO, sees the energy transition as a great opportunity to make supply chains sustainable and fair. Mathias Cormann, the new OECD Secretary General, will not only discuss the political urgencies, but also the new conception of our economy. Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Vice President of the Club of Rome, will address the issue of how to use CO2 reduction as an opportunity for growth, innovation and diversity. Johan Rockström from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research will talk about the climate crisis as an opportunity in his keynote. The North Macedonian Prime Minister Zoran Zaev will meet at the EFA to discuss his country's EU accession process. The Belarusian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya speaks to Colombe Cahen-Salvador, activist and co-founder of NOW! and Forward on political influence and participation. For years, the interdisciplinary approach to the main topics of the EFA has been cultivated in Alpbach with art and culture. With Olga Neuwirth and Anna Artaker we were able to win two exceptional artists for this year who deal with EFA topics.

The applicable legal regulations as well as our safety and prevention concept allow us to welcome up to 1,000 participants per day in Alpbach. This number of visitors also includes the actors, scholarship holders and partner delegations and corresponds to around half of the guests usually present at the EFA. One consequence of this restriction is that this year participation on site will only be possible by invitation. This will go to regular guests who have visited the EFA several times, as well as to the international clientele of the forum. Unlimited access is now available for our greatly expanded digital formats.

Secure your ticket for the digital EFA conference now and discover the detailed program at: 2021.alpbach.org
Registration Link: https://2021.alpbach.org/

And yes, some of that is BS - I can tell you now, for certain, that to listen to the opinion of the Vice President of the Club of Rome is a waste of time, or that "using CO2 reduction as an opportunity for growth" is almost entirely BS - and even in the best case, leads to selling people virtual dreams, because they wont be able to afford real ones.

But at least you are not sticking at the 'they are taking liberalism away' and it was a masterplan all along level. Because most certainly, no it wasnt - its more of a sh*t happens, then noone has a plan, but everyone has their vision kind of thing. Promise.

And if you cant, or dont want to - here you can watch this:


Mazzucato is talking again.
 
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Do you see to what oversimplification leads? :)

Yes "the great reset" indeed is an ad hoc program, how to get back to some form of "before crisis levels" economic activity. Yes, many people are attaching concepts like sustainability, because basically all the 'change ideology' out there wants to take part in the rebuilding efforts, and yes, partly because you cant rebuild the same as before.Yes, there are technocratic efforts for more metering, because thats always what technocrats would demand (think of any engineer, really.. ;) ) but in terms of "everything gets rationed" - no, just one very important resource. (Driving, flying - maybe, when you can wash your clothes.. ;) Depends... (On what trajectory people are operating on in terms of climate goals.))

So you are not wrong in the details, but probably in the overall meaning you are constructing from it. :)

Because you are leaving out other details, like - Covid being counterproductive from a "everything gets rationed" stance, because it produces pushback. People become sick and tired of being locked down. All of a sudden the aspects of social compatibility of measures are much more in the forefront, than even a year ago - people simply are afraid of cutting down too harshly, because they expect larger pushback. You could argue that it needed something like Covid for people to imagine changing routines at all, but thats not a very convincing argument at face value - and if you then propose, that everything was produced by some overarching all knowing entity, that wanted to manipulate word politics -- judging from whats come from it, its still a very bad plan. 4-8 Mio people are dead, the virus is anything but under control (wait for next winter.. ;) ), CO2 emissions werent reduced by that much, processes that lead to much larger disruption (automatisation, digitisation) were fasttracked, ...

And maybe - maybe, everyone became a little more rational in terms of demands - but even that lead more to a nationalistic trend, then to the opposite. (Not that countries would pivot to national economies again, but maybe make themselfs a little more resistent to supply chain shocks):

And now let me tell you another story. :) One where political and societal changes because of climate related issues were always coming. For the US indeed its a question of "now" or "in fifty years", but for most other countries it isnt. One where technocrats would always try to get things metered more, no matter what. And one where the most impactful result of Covid maybe was to increase spending limits (national debt), in national budgets all over the world. (If Biden gets his "investment trillion", still is far from certain and probably not very likely - but in general, he will be allowed to spend more.). All the other stuff mostly is jumpchange... At least after the first year, because again Covid is far from contained.

If you are worried, that liberalism is a thing of the past - yes currently in germany there is a discussion, if the supreme court was allowed to extend the concept of liberty to further generations, and demand restrictions in behavior, based on that behavior limiting the liberty of future generations. In germany it did.

Yet at the same time, its the (globalized elite - and thereby the) liberals, that are pushing that agenda most. Arguably, because they are afraid of the pushback they see from what they have created over time, without ever looking at what it produced in their 'national economies' - partly because they start to see climate change as a risk profile in itself, that they would have to address. And yes most of the stuff thats promoted there, are empty promises, to look good in front of people. Or the bare minimum, in terms of a global minimum tax, from which Amazon then is exempt again, because it promotes itself as a growth engine, that is always investing...

If you want to go into more detail - I can show you an entry point. I'm not sure If I'll be participating this year - I'm not even sure what a 'digital ticket' costs currently - but if you want to you can at least watch and participate in one of the conferences, where those topics and the actual action plans are discussed for yourself - see what people are doing. At least in europe.

This years EFA registration started yesterday.


Registration Link: https://2021.alpbach.org/

And yes, some of that is BS - I can tell you now, for certain, that to listen to the opinion of the Vice President of the Club of Rome is a waste of time, or that "using CO2 reduction as an opportunity for growth" is almost entirely BS - and even in the best case, leads to selling people virtual dreams, because they wont be able to afford real ones.

But at least you are not sticking at the 'they are taking liberalism away' and it was a masterplan all along level. Because most certainly, no it wasnt - its more of a sh*t happens, then noone has a plan, but everyone has their vision kind of thing. Promise.

And if you cant, or dont want to - here you can watch this:


Mazzucato is talking again.


" its still a very bad plan. 4-8 Mio people are dead, the virus is anything but under control (wait for next winter.. ;) ), CO2 emissions werent reduced by that much, processes that lead to much larger disruption (automatisation, digitisation) were fasttracked, ..."

definitely not under control but what do these elites care when they have a clean vaccine or an antiviral therapeutic for themselves , most definitely a lab made biological weapon that was co-developed with a treatment or immunization
because you need that to prevent blowback or else what good is it
most likely they are still developing and releasing new strains and that accounts for most of the variants

" its still a very bad plan. 4-8 Mio people are dead,"

well going by event 201 they wanted more , about 60 -70 million , population reduction

I don't think they care about CO2 emissions being reduced I think they care about eliminating a good chunk of the global population and gaining total control over the rest and hoarding resources for themselves .

Climate change fear didn't work but fear of imminent death from a virus worked better

but I do not think they are done by any stretch , we will see more variants released and more contrived cyber attacks to slow thing down.

They make their plans pretty clear "You'll own nothing and have no privacy"
you will be a total peasant surf even more so than you are now
and someone will own things, and you will be paying them rent for those things indefinitely forever.
 

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definitely not under control but what do these elites care when they have a clean vaccine or an antiviral therapeutic for themselves , most definitely a lab made biological weapon
Most definetly nothing. :) Dont have the Interview at hand, but the position of the top virology researchers in Europe currently is, both manufactured and formed by "natural mutation" are possible, natural mutation far more likely. (Because there are no obvious pointers in the RNA that would indicate man made.)

Most of the "proof" thats used to prep up the lab theory is actually conjecture ("the wuhan lab is close" and "three people got sick I heard") - thats not what I'd call "definite proof". ;) So at least take the definite out. :)

Why do elites care? Because they dont live in a vacuum, and they have business models going, that more often than not get disrupted, when you have to have lockdowns. Thats also part of Great Reset, rebuilding that in a way, so its less prone to fail, in such instances.

Also elites are diverse (forget the modern emotional charge of the term), so some are more connected to one kind of business models, some are more connected to others. ;) Some are more connected to the education sector or the 'intellectual approach', some are not. That you would learn, if you look at such a gathering more in depth, at least once.. :)

All in all, most are usually interested in keeping a status quo, and changing remarkably little, because it benefits their bottom line. They do push societal change, when they see no way out of it, and dont want to be the only ones that are presented a bill for past actions.. ;)

Thats also a simple way to explain, why inflation should not be skyrocketing - even though vast sums of money are printed currently. People with money have little interest to see the system collapse - yet they have done very little for innovation abroad (they have mostly helped other countries to 'catch up' and reaped the benefits of the process) and domestically - so now, when the system has almost no growth perspectives left, they are happy to let the state pay - and will not bet against the state, in that process. So preassures on the state to pay back what it owes are lessened. And the investments accumulate at the top, or go into innovation building anyhow (where they might fizzle into lost spending anyhow - but no one cares, because first its state expenditure, and the ones that are working, are needed currently). So its not that everyone gets more money, because their services are in more demand, or they have better growth markets -- therefore likely no hyper inflation - even if national debt gets expanded.

If anything, we currently are in "please dont rebell!" mode, with people not having that great of an outlook going, but stuff like Climate investing stil having to be sold - because somewhere down the line, they are necessary.

Read this:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/med...roup-note-on-political-economy-of-reforms.pdf

This is how the EU wants their PR to be designed for the next 5 years... ;) Hate it for them doing so, but you also get an understanding for why they think they need to.

This is backed by the business sector currently btw. :)
 
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implicitly calling yourself clueless in one hand, refusing to take an l in the pettiest fashion possible in the other
yup, i'm done here

Are you drunk? You are not making sense.

" its still a very bad plan. 4-8 Mio people are dead, the virus is anything but under control (wait for next winter.. ;) ), CO2 emissions werent reduced by that much, processes that lead to much larger disruption (automatisation, digitisation) were fasttracked, ..."

It's way more likely to have been planned by Trump and his cronies than anyone else (I think it's more likely that the moon landing was faked and Buzz will punch you if you accuse him of faking it https://www.cntraveller.in/story/buzz-aldrin-punched-moon-landing-denier/)
 
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SO it turns out the reason scientist dint say anything about the Lab thing was because they didn't want to help Trump

So pretty much Fuck people but I'm not helping Trump
 
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SO it turns out the reason scientist dint say anything about the Lab thing was because they didn't want to help Trump

So pretty much Fuck people but I'm not helping Trump
Orange man bad! Must take him down even if we have to kill all of humanity to do it! Cause that clearly makes sense. Save the world from Trump by having others destroy it first!
 

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Are you drunk? You are not making sense.



It's way more likely to have been planned by Trump and his cronies than anyone else (I think it's more likely that the moon landing was faked and Buzz will punch you if you accuse him of faking it https://www.cntraveller.in/story/buzz-aldrin-punched-moon-landing-denier/)
yes I have seen that video

could this POS really have landed on the moon? I am not so sure


to think it was any one leader or nation who released COVID is very small minded thinking

RIP Ned Beaty

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As much it proves not deadly, its certainly had an impact in the amount of deaths caused

Before the vaccine was released the survival rate was hovering around 99.8%. I'm not sure what it is now with the vaccines being released.

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SO it turns out the reason scientist dint say anything about the Lab thing was because they didn't want to help Trump

So pretty much Fuck people but I'm not helping Trump

The same thing happened when Trump called the virus the "Chinese virus". The entire media complex stopped calling it just that and then called Trump racist for using a term that they had been using for months. The main stream media can go fuck itself.
 
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could this POS really have landed on the moon? I am not so sure

I think it's pretty guaranteed that they sent all that garbage to the moon, because you can see it.

https://skyandtelescope.org/observing/how-to-see-all-six-apollo-moon-landing-sites/

And if you think they faked those, then eventually they'll get found out when someone else sends

So the question is whether they sent the rocket and landed the lunar lander and all the space junk, but still faked the landing with the astronauts. It would be cheaper and easier to send the astronauts for real though.

Before the vaccine was released the survival rate was hovering around 99.8%. I'm not sure what it is now with the vaccines being released.

99.8% is certainly way off. There are 7.9 billion people in the world, assuming everyone has caught covid (which they haven't) then that would give a death total of 1.58 million. But there have been more than 3.5 million deaths. We don't know how many people have actually been infected and you'll probably come back arguing that the death figures have been inflated. At which point you're just picking 99.8% because its sounds like an insignificant number.

But that is because people don't understand risk. For example covid with a 99% mortality rate kills more people than ebola with a 55-60% mortality rate, because you get sick quickly and die with ebola while covid allows you to keep infecting people without knowing it for weeks.

Anecdotal early evidence is the vaccine seems to have cut the deaths by 75% after one dose, with the second dose around 80-90% depending on which vaccine. So maybe we'll get covid deaths below 1 million a year.

Which might actually get it down to the same level as flu.

The same thing happened when Trump called the virus the "Chinese virus". The entire media complex stopped calling it just that and then called Trump racist for using a term that they had been using for months. The main stream media can go fuck itself.

Trump and his supporters can go fuck themselves. I don't believe the media did stop at that point, but if they did then it's because they realized it was racist. You are arguing that it should be ok for Trump to keep using a racist term even though everyone else has stopped after realizing it's racist.

If Trump was a stable genius like he claims, then he should have figured out it was racist and stopped using it before the media stopped anyway. However the WTO asked people to use the name covid 19 in february.

It's like saying that men should still be allowed to sexually harass women at work because the media has only just started saying it's wrong after Harvey Weinstein was called out on it.

Death en mass = future sustainability

Not really, too many unintended consequences.
 
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I wasn't trying to discuss Trump, but to be fair no President keeps all of their campaign promises.

As for the virus. Even if it was some global scheme to gain more control that's not what happened. The world governments simply flexed their muscles and that shined a light on exactly how much control they already have.
COVID was deliberate and an attempt to implement the "great reset"
all governments signed on, this is why the World Economic Forum propaganda phrase "Build Back Better" is on the lips of every leader globally, they don not just tell them what they are going to say they tell them what they are going to do
of course the WEF is not the final boss just another sort of think tank collective middle management organization for international finance capital
Trump knew about it and allowed it's release as well as shilled for the vax and many unscrupulous treatments such as Remdesivir and Regeneron

Remember that everyone was already immunized with a clean immunization including Trump before COVID was even released ALL of the CONgress aaand ALL of senate ,the president ,and the WH press core and probably lots of elite business and media people too such as those who took part in event 201

"everybody here has already been vaccinated anyways"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Joking-Foxs-John-Roberts-Weve-Vaccinated.html

Apparently their damage control of "apparently joking" didn't go go over so well judging by the comments on the article.

Remember that this happened in late April of 2020 and at that time there were no prospects or any hint that a vaccine was even coming .
but miraculously not even one year later they are rolling out a SARS-COV 2 vaccine even though allegedly nobody had ever been able to come up with any vaccine for a corona virus before and when even development of other vaccines takes closer to one decade than one year.

They got something before the release but I can guarantee you it is not what they are pushing on the rest of us now


https://lmgtfy.app/?q=h1n1+german+politicians+given+clean+vaccine

inb4 it was H1N1 , this is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure)
this is just one instance where they got caught.


Trump is just another fraud and con artist just like all the rest of them ,he lied and said he and Barron had COVID and then he miraculously recovered like 3 days later after taking all the big pharma crap he had been shilling form prior, wow what a miracle!

people are so fucking gullible all you have to do is tell them there are two sides and to pick one
because that are their only options,
heads I win tails you lose
they fall for it every single time
 

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