ROM Hack Digimon Story Super Xros Wars English Translation Request

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This is a request for some team or even better digi-team who wants to translate DSSXWB/R in english.I tryed by myself but it's hell hard for someone noob like me.I can give any kind of support.
 

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I know this isn't helping, but Operation Decoded *might* pick this up after they're done with Lost Evolution

But would we really want that?
I know we should be thankful that they do it, but the progress on Lost Evolution was stopped for so long because they simply didn't want to give it to someone else to finish. Even tho the Main dude had his eye problems for so long. I wish him all the best of course. This project started almost 10 years ago. And I am pretty sure it could have been done at least 3 to 4 years ago if they just said "Here is what we have done so far, go finish it". I don't understand the need to hang on to it for so long, they do it in their "free time" but it seems that they almost have none.

If someone does Super Xros Wars I hope it's someone else. I'd like to play it before I die at least. We'd be better off learning japanese, we probably would get to play it before they finish it.
 
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That's an incredibly rude and insensitive response, honestly, with a touch of entitlement. Yes, there were health issues and stuff, but there was a team here that tried working on Lost Evolution before that team took over and it took a while. Translating a game, on free time, takes a very long time, not to mention 2 games at the same time. They weren't "hanging on to it" as you say, they were preoccupied with life. All the work that goes into these fan translations, any of them, is done entirely on spare time that folks don't necessarily have all the time. Especially not when there are health issues getting in the way. Not to mention LE is coming this year. If they take on Super Xros Wars that would likely be their sole focus now that Re: Digitize Decode is done and LE would be done too.
 

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That's an incredibly rude and insensitive response, honestly, with a touch of entitlement. Yes, there were health issues and stuff, but there was a team here that tried working on Lost Evolution before that team took over and it took a while. Translating a game, on free time, takes a very long time, not to mention 2 games at the same time. They weren't "hanging on to it" as you say, they were preoccupied with life. All the work that goes into these fan translations, any of them, is done entirely on spare time that folks don't necessarily have all the time. Especially not when there are health issues getting in the way. Not to mention LE is coming this year. If they take on Super Xros Wars that would likely be their sole focus now that Re: Digitize Decode is done and LE would be done too.

There was someone asking for their progress of the story so he can finish it and they didn't want give it out. That was years ago.
You can say what you want, it does not take 10 years to translates this. I know not everyone has a lot of free time to do these kind of projects, but they are not doing it for themself right? They are doing it for other people to enjoy, but they act like they are the only ones who can translate it. Which is wrong imo. You can see what I said as entitled, I see their behaviour as entitled as well. In my eyes they are not doing this for any kind of Community, but solely for the Achievement of having done it. Otherwise they would have given it out a long time ago.
Don't get me wrong, I am still thankful. I just think pragmatic would have been a better approach than an idealistic one. At least it would have been faster.
 

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10 years? Operation Decoded's only had LE for 4 years. And it's coming out this year. That's pretty good, especially considering that all their progress on it was done while also working on ReDigitize Decode.

They took it over from Yugix, who started it 2012. I was a Teenager when it started, now I am in my late twenties. Closing in on 30.
They had all his progress as far as I know. And as I said, if they would have given it to people that asked for it at some point, it would be finished already.
From a logical standpoint it's just nonsense what they are doing. Yes, they are doing it for free, yes they have a life, yadda yadda. I get that. But it's a project they started. And finishing it should at least take a bit of priority. I still firmly believe they are doing this only for themself, to get the Prestige off of doing it.
Don't get me wrong, I will still play it. If I am still alive by the time it's finished.
 

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Operation Decoded—or at least Romsstar—has no intention to take on Xros Wars. Not sure about our Lost Evolution translator, I guess that's up to the future.

That being said, my last information (from a year ago) was that at least KHeartz still considers it a project of his (although on hiatus).


As for the Lost Evolution stuff happening here... LE is and always has been a side project. The initial idea was that working on Decode was hindered by the lack of a working emulator. It didn't help LE that Citra progressed faster than expected, putting our focus on that instead (and heck, even that took a lot longer than I initially expected).

The thing you have to understand: we're not Bandai. We have high quality standards for our localizations. Just because someone else worked for years on the same game doesn't mean that we can just use what they did so far. It also means that we don't give our work to just anybody to "finish it" but only people we believe have the necessary skills to actually live up to that standard—and these people exist and are working on the game right now. ;)

Keep in mind: we're not getting paid for it, it isn't a fulltime job and we owe nobody. If it were about maximizing personal profit I can guarantee you we'd be working on something else.

Also, there is a fucking pandemic going on.
 
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Operation Decoded—or at least Romsstar—has no intention to take on Xros Wars. Not sure about our Lost Evolution translator, I guess that's up to the future.

That being said, my last information (from a year ago) was that at least KHeartz still considers it a project of his (although on hiatus).


As for the Lost Evolution stuff happening here... LE is and always has been a side project. The initial idea was that working on Decode was hindered by the lack of a working emulator. It didn't help LE that Citra progressed faster than expected, putting our focus on that instead (and heck, even that took a lot longer than I initially expected).

The thing you have to understand: we're not Bandai. We have high quality standards for our localizations. Just because someone else worked for years on the same game doesn't mean that we can just use what they did so far. It also means that we don't give our work to just anybody to "finish it" but only people we believe have the necessary skills to actually live up to that standard—and these people exist and are working on the game right now. ;)

Keep in mind: we're not getting paid for it, it isn't a fulltime job and we owe nobody. If it were about maximizing personal profit I can guarantee you we'd be working on something else.

Also, there is a fucking pandemic going on.
Exactly this. Also as someone who was ON Yugix's team helping out a bit we couldn't have even offered much even if they wanted to use it. We basically had to restart from scratch due to people using Google Translate on our spreadsheet and ruining the quality of the translations cause they were so impatient. After that we privated the spreadsheet and didn't really make much more progress until we handed it off to Decoded. As such, it's best to consider the project started when they took it initially and stop counting it as being started back in 2012. Counting progress on the translation since then is like saying Metroid Dread took 16 years because it was started back in 2005 when in reality the final version was likely only worked on for 2-3 years. It's disingenuous to count it since the start and discounts all the work done since the project restarted because you're putting it on an incorrect timeline with the express purpose of complaining about how long it's taking.

It's really not taking that long, Vanitas. Considering everything Syd outlined above, it's honestly progressing faster than it has any right to considering they're likely way further along in a few years with it on lower priority than we were in the 6 years before handing it off. It's coming, and soon. No need to make hyperbolic comments about "if i'm still alive" either.
 

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The fact that it had to be done from scratch factors into it of course, but it doesn't change anything on the time it is worked on. It's not disingenuous and doesn't discount anything. It's honestly just the net time worked on. The gross time still counts from 2012. And only because you don't like this fact it doesn't mean you can dismiss it.
I am also not complaining about that it takes so long, I just hate why it takes so long.

Of course noone working on this owes anybody. But saying things like "We don't get paid, we have a life" etc is just being an asshole about the whole deal imo. I also worked on many translation projects when I was younger and I always felt like I at least need to work on it exactly because I did not only for myself. It's a balance thing really. Some people just have higher priorities than "me me me" I guess. But that just goes hand in Hand with the way our society of social media and hyper egoism goes.

But yeah. There is a pandemic going on, so it's hard to sit at home, doing stuff that's not important, right?
 

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Saying "we don't get paid" isn't being an asshole about it, it's a reminder that given the economic reality of our capitalist society it is only possible to allocate spare time to a non-commercial volunteer project like this.

You shouldn't like it, but the solution isn't pissing off people on the Internet by displaying a heightened level of entitlement and lack of self-awareness. Especially since this is actively working against your interest by potentially delaying the release of what you want, because comments like yours create—just like a global pandemic—a not insignificant amount of mental stress.

Because based on your comments I can assure you: we certainly don't work on stuff for you. ;)
 

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The fact that it had to be done from scratch factors into it of course, but it doesn't change anything on the time it is worked on. It's not disingenuous and doesn't discount anything. It's honestly just the net time worked on. The gross time still counts from 2012. And only because you don't like this fact it doesn't mean you can dismiss it.
I am also not complaining about that it takes so long, I just hate why it takes so long.

Of course noone working on this owes anybody. But saying things like "We don't get paid, we have a life" etc is just being an asshole about the whole deal imo. I also worked on many translation projects when I was younger and I always felt like I at least need to work on it exactly because I did not only for myself. It's a balance thing really. Some people just have higher priorities than "me me me" I guess. But that just goes hand in Hand with the way our society of social media and hyper egoism goes.

But yeah. There is a pandemic going on, so it's hard to sit at home, doing stuff that's not important, right?
If being entitled was an Olympic sport, you'd be in the running for gold. Or not, since the whole thing might be cancelled.

Just because you have some arbitrary standard of what they should have achieved by when and how they should have reached said milestones, doesn't mean that they have to conform to it. Or be subject to your passive aggressiveness for that matter.
 

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