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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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Donald Trump was the first U.S. President that *didn't* start a *new* international conflict since Jimmy Carter. He can't be held liable for conflicts he had inherited from previous administrations - his job as commander-in-chief was to oversee them. The long-term plan was always to withdraw soldiers, which may entail a brief increase in activity as a final sweep. In terms of withdrawal, the plan to remove close to half of the troops from Afghanistan and Iraq was announced in November 2020, in addition, he also announced a near-complete withdrawal from Somalia in December 2020:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54968200
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55196130

This is consistent with the coalition's strategy - NATO has already began transferring control over key military installations to Iraqi security forces. Coalition forces, including American troops, have been slowly withdrawing from the region throughout 2020.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, I see no reason why the embassy *shouldn't* be there. The fact that the international community refuses to acknowledge the city's status doesn't mean that it suddenly stops being the capital.
It's a little more complicated than that. The former president removed regulations in place to reduce the number of civilian deaths, and then he proceeded to increase air strikes and the number of civilian casualties. When Trump said he was withdrawing troops in October 2020, it blindsided the military who hadn't heard it before, and it was clearly an election stunt. He also said all Afghanistan troops would be home by the end of the year, but that clearly didn't happen.

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Well agree to disagree. There is no 100% proof that Russia interfered with the 2016 elections. If Trump would've won the 2020 everyone would say that Russia would have rigged it again

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3770232001

Trump never said that he would've withdraw the soldiers all together but made terms in parts to when soldiers would come back and he did follow that. Of course it didnt happen fast but soldiers did come home, you can find it on Dailymail.

Im not a fan, and as i said earlier i would've never voted for him. Trump did a lot of things that i will never agree with, but we didnt hear about world comflicts that much, media was too busy trying to find the most possible dirt to have him removed from the office, neither did we hear about middle east problems. After Trump got elected those thugs groups together with Putin got eradicated, now they are slowly regrouping, they need to stay eradicated.
There is 100% proof that Russia meddled in the 2016 and 2020 elections.

The former president promised to withdraw all Afghanistan troops by Christmas as an election stunt in October, and he lied.

There is no evidence the media was "too busy looking for dirt" to cover anything. They were covering the corruption, scandals, and criminal wrongdoings of the former president.
 
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It's a little more complicated than that. The former president removed regulations in place to reduce the number of civilian deaths, and then he proceeded to increase air strikes and the number of civilian casualties. When Trump said he was withdrawing troops in October 2020, it blindsided the military who hadn't heard it before, and it was clearly an election stunt. He also said all Afghanistan troops would be home by the end of the year, but that clearly didn't happen.

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There is 100% proof that Russia meddled in the 2016 and 2020 elections.

The former president promised to withdraw all Afghanistan troops by Christmas as an election stunt in October, and he lied.

There is no evidence the media was "too busy looking for dirt" to cover anything. They were covering the corruption, scandals, and criminal wrongdoings of the former president.

Can you point out were it shows that there is 100% proof that Russia had anything to do with it? Because i remember the moment Trump was elected many people were looking for a way to remove him from office, even before his term ended 2 weeks prior people were looking a way to get rid of him. From the moment that he became president to the moment that his term ended people were doing everything to have him removed.

If the elections were rigged pretty sure Russia would have done everything to keep him as the US president.

He won in 2016 because people didnt want to have Hillary Clinton as the US president. She lied about a lot of things, including that she was attacked and shot during a visit to Benghazi, were video's shows that nothing happened. Its simple, people didnt want her, it was either Hillary or Trump and people chose Trump. Its funny because there were other people who went for the US presidency and it was in the end a battle between Hillary and Trump, i guess all those votes who voted for Trump to battle Hillary in the end was rigged as well.

Thing is, when people dont get what they want they blame it on someone else. Russia gets blamed constantly when something bad happens, its tiresome.

Trump in many ways persuaded other countries to stay calm when things were about to get bad.

Media was very obsessed with Trump, there was always an article to read about him. With Biden, i dont hear anything that often because the media isnt that interested in Biden, you see the difference there.
 
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But it does mean that the international community recognizes the need for nuance in this case, and failing to recognize that need has resulted in what we're seeing now. Whenever the situation called for a screwdriver, Trump would bring a jackhammer.


In other words, he was too busy causing problems and conflict at home for the media to cover all the problems and conflict he was creating abroad. That's not a positive thing, no matter how you try to spin it.
Palestine would be an internationally recognised and sovereign state by now if not for Yasser Arafat who was well-known for refusing to negotiate and rejecting any and all offers of statehood, including ones drafted by the UN. Bill Clinton has a pretty good recollection of what happened at Camp David - hate to link to The Guardian, but oh well:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

Trump didn't make Palestinians hate the Jews - they've hated the Jews since the state of Israel was conjured up into existence at the end of the British Mandate - a less-than-ideal solution, to be fair, but after WWII establishing an independent Jewish state seemed like a relevant priority. Trump didn't make them lob rockets and mortar shells over the border, they've been doing that consistently since the end of the Six-day war.

Palestinian leaders have been offered land to govern as their own independent state on at least 5 separate occasions since the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire:
  • in 1936 after the Arab Revolt, by the Peel Commission
  • in 1947, by the UN
  • in 1967 after the conclusion of the Six Day War, by the Israeli government
  • in 2000 at Camp David, by the Israeli government
  • in 2008, by the Israeli government
Israel accepted all offers made by third-parties, Palestinian leaders rejected all of them, and often answered with violence. As such, I have to conclude that the two-state solution is not viable and the argument is over a pile of rocks standing on a sand mound, and I can't sympathise with that too much.

With that being said, I also can't sympathise with Israel too much either - they are heavy-handed in their approach. It's the definition of a Jewish ethnostate, and it operates this way by design. The Jewish government is more than happy to use its military might against what amounts to insurgents with RPG's. The tragic part is that both sides are funded with the U.S. dollar and, if the last century is anything to go by, this conflict will continue for as long as the two sides have the means to continue it.

In short, both sides suck. Palestinians might be at a military disadvantage, however they've made it clear that they don't want peace, they want to win. If they keep refusing offers of a two-state solution, I see no reason why Palestine should be recognised as a state at all - technically it's all Israeli land. The Israeli government, in a pretty generous move, already bestowed autonomy to it and allowed Palestinians to govern it as they please in the Oslo Accords. That didn't stop the violence, so I'm under no delusion that a more passive response from Israel would when their citizens are regularly attacked with rockets, mortar fire and suicide bombers.
 

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Can you point out were it shows that there is 100% proof that Russia had anything to do with it?
If you won't take the word of every single US intelligence agency (most of which are fairly right-leaning), then there's nothing else that's gonna convince you.

Media was very obsessed with Trump, there was always an article to read about him. With Biden, i dont hear anything that often because the media isnt that interested in Biden, you see the difference there.
The difference is that Biden doesn't start a new scandal every day to distract from the previous day's scandal. Constantly saying or doing things that are divisive and damaging to democracy makes for good TV, but not for good governance.
 
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It's a little more complicated than that. The former president removed regulations in place to reduce the number of civilian deaths, and then he proceeded to increase air strikes and the number of civilian casualties. When Trump said he was withdrawing troops in October 2020, it blindsided the military who hadn't heard it before, and it was clearly an election stunt. He also said all Afghanistan troops would be home by the end of the year, but that clearly didn't happen.
By the end of the year the U.S. Military had to comply with a new NATO plan aiming at training the security forces, this includes American forces which are part of the coalition. What's not that simple is coming to terms with the fact that every single American president since Carter poked at least one ant hill to build a nice war legacy for themselves. The fact that Trump *didn't* do that makes him a notable exception that's worth some acknowledgement.
 
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Can you point out were it shows that there is 100% proof that Russia had anything to do with it? Because i remember the moment Trump was elected many people were looking for a way to remove him from office, even before his term ended 2 weeks prior people were looking a way to get rid of him. From the moment that he became president to the moment that his term ended people were doing everything to have him removed.

If the elections were rigged pretty sure Russia would have done everything to keep him as the US president.

He won in 2016 because people didnt want to have Hillary Clinton as the US president. She lied about a lot of things, including that she was attacked and shot during a visit to Benghazi, were video's shows that nothing happened. Its simple, people didnt want her, it was either Hillary or Trump and people chose Trump. Its funny because there were other people who went for the US presidency and it was in the end a battle between Hillary and Trump, i guess all those votes who voted for Trump to battle Hillary in the end was rigged as well.

Thing is, when people dont get what they want they blame it on someone else. Russia gets blamed constantly when something bad happens, its tiresome.

Trump in many ways persuaded other countries to stay calm when things were about to get bad.

Media was very obsessed with Trump, there was always an article to read about him. With Biden, i dont hear anything that often because the media isnt that interested in Biden, you see the difference there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2020_United_States_elections
 

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That's rich coming from a member of cult 45. News flash: any Jewish person with an ounce of sense hates the actions of Israel and Netanyahu just as much as I do.


No, I never said or implied that.


Uhh what? We were still in Iraq and Afghanistan, he didn't get us out of either war. And he was perilously close to starting a new one in Iran.
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What's not that simple is coming to terms with the fact that every single American president since Carter poked at least one ant hill to build a nice war legacy for themselves. The fact that Trump *didn't* do that makes him a notable exception that's worth some acknowledgement.
Trump poked the shit out of Iran's ant hill, to the point where he was asking about authorization to go to war AFTER he had already lost the election to Biden. There's no question what would've happened if he had won a second term.
 
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Wikipedia was not accepted as a source in al the schools I was
Wikipedia is the greatest compendium of information on this planet. It wasn't accepted as a source because it is, as I said, a compendium, not a primary source. In other words, your English class rightfully didn't accept it, but it wasn't because it wasn't factually correct. If you want to cite the information on Wikipedia, read what's in the sources at the bottom of the page, and cite that.

If you have a problem with anything on Wikipedia, change it and cite your sources.

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It's not anti-semetic to rightfully condemn bad policies and bad politicians. Israel is not immune to criticism.
 
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Trump poked the shit out of Iran's ant hill, to the point where he was asking about authorization to go to war AFTER he had already lost the election to Biden. There's no question what would've happened if he had won a second term.
Was there no question about it? Trump was well-known for moves like this in order to spook the other side - his treatment of North Korea wasn't dissimilar. "Play along or I will rain trouble on you like you've never seen" is a part of his play book, and since neither one of us has a crystal ball, neither one of us can speculate on any potential coulda shoulda woulda. As for poking Iran, I'm not too opposed to it as long as we're blowing up terrorists and war criminals. Soleimani had it coming, I won't shed a tear over a general that presided over literal massacres of civilians.
 
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If you won't take the word of every single US intelligence agency (most of which are fairly right-leaning), then there's nothing else that's gonna convince you.


The difference is that Biden doesn't start a new scandal every day to distract from the previous day's scandal. Constantly saying or doing things that are divisive and damaging to democracy makes for good TV, but not for good governance.


Did you follow the 2016 elections well? Because i've seen so many people commenting that in no hell way they would have chosen Hillary Clinton, most of the people were convinced that Trump was a more better option than to go for Hillary Clinton.

As of your last part of the message, that is not true at all, didnt matter what Trump said, even if it was good the media was always there trying to mock him off make fun of him. Why? Because it made them money that is why, people are not that interested to see that wit Biden, most of the comments that i see even on Dailymail they are calling him an old senile man. I have nothing against Biden, but there is a huge difference between his presidency and that of Trump.

Trump did many things that other presidents are not even interested to do because they rather keep the enemies as their frenemies when it suits them.

Every move that Trump did you saw everywhere tabloids about it, while if Biden says something its news but not that big, again it doesnt sell, it doesnt benefits the media outlets.

If the 2016 elections were rigged, then why did many Americans choose Trump as one final candidate? As i said before people didnt want Hillary as the US president then.
 
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Was there no question about it? Trump was well-known for moves like this in order to spook the other side - his treatment of North Korea wasn't dissimilar. "Play along or I will rain trouble on you like you've never seen" is a part of his play book
None at all. He was obsessed with being a "war time president" and cosplaying in military uniforms, and the Soleimani assassination showed his willingness to escalate. His treatment of North Korea was not at all similar, he gave Un everything he could've possibly wanted and the US received nothing in return. There was no show of force involved, only a show of Trump's weakness and willingness to roll over for the "right kind" of dictator.
 
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That is my point. If he had used the @, and had the courage to tag me, the mistake probably wouldn't have happened.
He was talking about you and not to you. I didn't read an attempt to tag you. Maybe he was talking to people like me?
 

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I have nothing against Biden, but there is a huge difference between his presidency and that of Trump.
Yes, there is. Biden brings experience and stability to the table, even if he is a neolib. Trump brought nothing but chaos, division, and idiocy to the federal government, his only prior experience being in reality TV (and even then the production crew had to treat him like he was brain dead).

Every move that Trump did you saw everywhere tabloids about it, while if Biden says something its news but not that big, again it doesnt sell, it doesnt benefits the media outlets.
It's not the president's responsibility to keep profits high for sensationalist media outlets. This just furthers the point I already made: what makes for good reality TV makes for piss-poor governance, and vice-versa. I don't want to give the Republican party any bright ideas, but for all the difference it would've made they might as well have nominated Ryan Seacrest instead.
 
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None at all. He was obsessed with being a "war time president" and cosplaying in military uniforms, and the Soleimani assassination showed his willingness to escalate. His treatment of North Korea was not at all similar, he gave Un everything he could've possibly wanted and the US received nothing in return. There was no show of force involved, only a show of Trump's weakness and willingness to roll over for the "right kind" of dictator.
He was the first U.S. President to ever set foot in North Korea, period - it was an enormous diplomatic success. US-NK relations have greatly warmed since his visit. For years North Korean leaders have repeatedly stated that they will never agree to denuclearization, now this prospect seems far more achievable with Kim Jong-un pledging not to use or proliferate nuclear arms in his 2019 New Year's Address, in stark contrast to his previous statements. Say what you will about Trump, but he did ease tensions in the region. We'll see where that goes going forward, I don't expect little North Korea to cause anyone much grief, they're not a relevant player on the world stage.
 

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He was the first U.S. President to ever set foot in North Korea, period - it was an enormous diplomatic success.
It's the opposite, legitimizing a ruthless dictator and receiving nothing in return is an unequivocal failure of diplomacy.

Say what you will about Trump, but he did ease tensions in the region.
He really didn't, the relationship between Trump and Un had completely soured by the time the election rolled around. For that matter, we can't even be sure Un is still alive, which would mean all that effort to butter him up was a total waste.

We'll see where that goes going forward, I don't expect little North Korea to cause anyone much grief, they're not a relevant player on the world stage.
They'll keep doing the same thing they've always done, puff up their chest and fire a 'test' missile every six months to a year. I agree that it's meaningless and NK is just a bit player, but that's all the more reason Trump never should've bent over backwards for them.
 
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Yes, there is. Biden brings experience and stability to the table, even if he is a neolib. Trump brought nothing but chaos, division, and idiocy to the federal government, his only prior experience being in reality TV (and even then the production crew had to treat him like he was brain dead).


It's not the president's responsibility to keep profits high for sensationalist media outlets. This just furthers the point I already made: what makes for good reality TV makes for piss-poor governance, and vice-versa. I don't want to give the Republican party any bright ideas, but for all the difference it would've made they might as well have nominated Ryan Seacrest instead.

Looks like you have a vendetta againts Trump, you dont like him, can understand that, as i said i dont agree fully with all what Trump did but what you say that he brought chaos and things like that is not true at all. He fought for what he thought that was right at the time. If there were chaos was because The US was obssessed of removing him from office, seems like he was doing something right that the US politicians didnt like. For 4 years we didnt hear anything about a war, as the person mentioned above me Trump achived more than any other president could do in 4 years. I dont see Obama or Biden go to North Korea during their own presidency, that wouldnt fit their own agenda.

As to the media thing, its that it doesnt prove your point, the US was so obsessed to impeach him and get rid of him that it made interesting for people to follow. No one cares about Biden the same way because most of people see him as another regular Joe president as it was Obama, and the most of all who takes the clown crown of dumb decisions Bush. At least Obama was very popular, and to be fair it was fine to have him as a US president.

Trump did made a difference, he didnt follow the kool aid system of all the presidents before him, he choose to do it differently and that pissed a lot of people.

As i said i would never voted for him, but you cant deny that things were different during his presidency.
 
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