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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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I have to side with @Lacius on this one @tabzer. You have the right to vote, whether you choose to exercise that right is up to you, but you do not become a sovereign citizen in the absence of casting a vote, or casting a vote for the losing candidate. The president is still the president regardless of how you voted, or if you voted at all or not. There's an argument to be made that in order for an election to be legitimate and representative, it has to reach a specific threshold of turnout, but that would be subject to necessary legislation and poses a new question - how much is representative enough before you introduce the possibility of the population stonewalling the whole system by just not turning up. I'm pretty sure this has happened once or twice in democracies where minimal turnouts are implemented and led to government shutdowns, but I can't think of an example off the top of my head.
 
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I have to side with @Lacius on this one @tabzer. You have the right to vote, whether you choose to exercise that right is up to you, but you do not become a sovereign citizen in the absence of casting a vote, or casting a vote for the losing candidate. The president is still the president regardless of how you voted, or if you voted at all or not. There's an argument to be made that in order for an election to be legitimate and representative, it has to reach a specific threshold of turnout, but that would be subject to necessary legislation and poses a new question - how much is representative enough before you introduce the possibility of the population stonewalling the whole system by just not turning up. I'm pretty sure this has happened once or twice in democracies where minimal turnouts are implemented and led to government shutdowns, but I can't think of an example off the top of my head.

I know. This is a point I disagree with you on. The position to default the unrepresented to being represented by the military backed cult leader is imperialistic imo. Let's say, in a vacuum, people were happy living life, and then some noisy people decided to say "we are a democracy" and nobody cared. Centuries could go on where that noisy group became more and more prevalent and all of a sudden the actual majority is being gaslit.
 
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I know. This is a point I disagree with you on. The position to default the unrepresented to being represented by the military backed cult leader is imperialistic imo. Let's say, in a vacuum, people were happy living life, and then some noisy people decided to say "we are a democracy" and nobody cared. Centuries could go on where that noisy group became more and more prevalent and all of a sudden the actual majority is being gaslighted.
That's a very odd hypothetical. I'm pretty sure that's how you end up with a crazy person in your village calling himself president for no reason, not a globally recognised state.
 

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That's a very odd hypothetical. I'm pretty sure that's how you end up with a crazy person in your village calling himself president for no reason, not a globally recognised state.

I'm not so sure. Can you please give more? Perhaps you didn't notice my mention of "centuries".
 
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I'm not so sure. Can you please give more? Perhaps you didn't notice my mention of "centuries".
I mean, I'd love to be called The Prez in my family, and I'm happy to pass the title down to my descendants, but that's not a government. I'm pretty sure you need broad support to be recognised as a leader by your peers, let alone by the global community.
 

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Right, so Democracy your way. I've already seen you ignore the imperialism vs pacifism point. Considering that you cannot be forward about fudging simple math, I'll take that as an admission that "imperialism is good".
There is nothing imperialistic about a democratic vote, whether or not there are members of a society who choose not to vote.
 
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I mean, I'd love to be called The Prez in my family, and I'm happy to pass the title down to my descendants, but that's not a government. I'm pretty sure you need broad support to be recognised as a leader by your peers, let alone by the global community.

Miniscule support would probably build over the ages. And even then, only 33% of the regional populace will acknowledge you.

There is nothing imperialistic about a democratic vote, whether or not there are members of a society who choose not to vote.

Conflating terms to edge out of confronting the point?

I'm sorry guys. I love you but I've been on a buzz all night and am about to crash. I promise to follow up tomorrow, ok? It's 4:25am. Please acknowledge my dedication instead of making a claim that I am running away, ok?
 
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ALSO FIND RIDICULOUSLY hilarious that While you spewing whatever nonsense you claim..
WE found out that CCP was Trying to Damage American Government by Funding the Proud Boys $86,000 to attack the Capitol.... Ouch that has to sting
Proud Boys saw wave of contributions from China before Capitol attack
Yeah that's kind of what I'm saying (but I'm guessing you didn't even bother to read what I wrote).
The US has been invaded by the CCP and other communist government and that must be stopped.
You seem to (incorrectly) believe I am a MAGA/Trump supporter despite the fact that the only few times I've mentioned Trump has been to call him an idiot.
I don't care if left wing or right wing is the winner, I care that communism has infiltrated the US and parts of Europe (specially Spain), causing an increase of violence and the general acceptance of such violence, which only deteriorates what were once strong democracies.
 
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Yeah that's kind of what I'm saying (but I'm guessing you didn't even bother to read what I wrote).
The US has been invaded by the CCP and other communist government and that must be stopped.
You seem to (incorrectly) believe I am a MAGA/Trump supporter despite the fact that the only few times I've mentioned Trump has been to call him an idiot.
I don't care if left wing or right wing is the winner, I care that communism has infiltrated the US and parts of Europe (specially Spain), causing an increase of violence and the general acceptance of such violence, which only deteriorates what were once strong democracies.
the issue is that You cant accept Fascism as a way stop Communism,
The McCarthyism is starting to comeback, with the Repubs accusing anyone who Disagrees with them as Communist.
In fact Blaming Communism for the Fuck up of the world is Shortsighted.
(by the way, I am not a Communist, or even believe that Communism is even achievable, I just tried of People Being Racist,Sexist, and Over all Pieces of shit because the world is changing to something other then the 1950 American. )
 
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the issue is that You cant accept Fascism as a way stop Communism,
The McCarthyism is starting to comeback, with the Repubs accusing anyone who Disagrees with them as Communist.
In fact Blaming Communism for the Fuck up of the world is Shortsighted.
(by the way, I am not a Communist, or even believe that Communism is even achievable, I just tried of People Being Racist,Sexist, and Over all Pieces of shit because the world is changing to something other then the 1950 American. )
Obviously you are passionate about the subject. Perhaps you can recognize your overzealousness in assuming all Chinese people are affiliated with the CCP, as you did with your mischaracterization of the article?
 

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For some odd reason now Biden wants to stop the AZ audit how odd and strange I mean if nothing bad happen why are they shitting themselves

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For some odd reason now Biden wants to stop the AZ audit how odd and strange I mean if nothing bad happen why are they shitting themselves https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1390121316695650305
Dems don't want the signatures to be validated why ?????
 

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Dems don't want the signatures to be validated why ?????
I can only assume that the DOJ suspects AZ might be discarding legitimate ballots in their audit. It should be careful if it intends to obstruct the process, if they're wrong and the audit is in fact entirely legitimate, 18 U.S. Code § 595 explicitly prohibits government officers or their agents from interfering with nominations and elections. Presumably audits of said elections could conceivably fall under the same code. If the AZ audit *is* unsavoury, everyone involved could potentially be charged under the same code as it also encompasses state-level officials.
 

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For some odd reason now Biden wants to stop the AZ audit how odd and strange I mean if nothing bad happen why are they shitting themselves https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1390121316695650305

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Dems don't want the signatures to be validated why ?????
Because they don't want to know that they did steal election of course. How are they supposed to get away with cheating if they get caught? lol
 
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Obviously you are passionate about the subject. Perhaps you can recognize your overzealousness in assuming all Chinese people are affiliated with the CCP, as you did with your mischaracterization of the article?
I would let to point out my Sig...
For some odd reason now Biden wants to stop the AZ audit how odd and strange I mean if nothing bad happen why are they shitting themselves https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1390121316695650305

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Dems don't want the signatures to be validated why ?????
... as per the people doing the audit they don't really care bout signatures... what they are looking for is the smoking GUN!! Bamboo fibers
NOO.. they're close to finding out my secret .. I was eating Bamboo while fixing the election...
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LMAO no worries there, it's a Florida company led by a pro-Trump conspiracy theorist conducting the audit, and they were found using blue pens instead of red. In other words, the kind that could be used to change votes. That's why the audit was already suspended once by a judge.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jud...ffort-audit-2020-election-arizona-2021-4?op=1
Or y'know, alternatively, they just used whatever pens they had handy because whoeber's on the floor was unaware that they're supposed to be red. Wouldn't be the first time someone used the wrong pen with no malicious intent - during the election one of the states was giving out sharpies which can potentially bleed through the ballot, which then requires curing as it potentially makes it unreadable by the counting machines. That doesn't signify bad intent, rather it signifies that one or more of the officers there are dumb-dumbs.
 

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Or y'know, alternatively, they just used whatever pens they had handy because whoeber's on the floor was unaware that they're supposed to be red. Wouldn't be the first time someone used the wrong pen with no malicious intent - during the election one of the states was giving out sharpies which can potentially bleed through the ballot, which then requires curing as it potentially makes it unreadable by the counting machines. That doesn't signify bad intent, rather it signifies that one or more of the officers there are dumb-dumbs.
but the issue is the Company was hired in a Extremely Volatile election inquiry and they are hired because they claimed they would check to everything by the book and find "mistakes" that were made (even thou it was checked 3 times already). This was not only given national exposure but also looked at by high priority from several Candidates (that were pictured "taking tours" of the audit. For them to claim they were unaware of Auditing rules just shows how at the VERY LEAST. they don't know what there doing ( if thats the case, we need to audit that actually audit). and what would be the most likely scenario is they knowingly altering results.
I would not hire a mechanic that needs to look at the manual for every step to fix your car..Then why the hell are we allowing that in a ELECTION!!
 
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