Well, if Biden gets his way, free community college might happen.
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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America
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I always wondered why so many Americans came to Scotland to do higher education. Then I found out the costs of such things in America aparently the advantage cost of college for the 2017–2018 school year was $20,770 for public schools (in-state) and $46,950 for nonprofit private schools, compare that to the cost here in Scotland and it's no bloody wonder a shit load of Americans come here.
What is that cost you ask here in Scotland well its a huge fuck all as all levels of education are totally free.
Once Medicare is established, it is established on whatever is considered the "status-quo". After that, there is a a stagnation in medical progress as the incentive to develop is removed. All of those private insurers will do what they can to cater to medicare's definition of standard treatment, and reinforce the existence of all illnesses currently present for the future generations to come.
Also, you want to cancel student loan debt, a service that the government provided in response to people akin to your thinking that the government should intervene in the first place? Just say free money for everyone.
Sure, you can cancel student loan debt, but how will you cancel modern illness created by the same kind of approach you have to healthcare?
Also, you want to cancel student loan debt, a service that the government provided in response to people akin to your thinking that the government should intervene in the first place? Just say free money for everyone.
Sure, you can cancel student loan debt, but how will you cancel modern illness created by the same kind of approach you have to healthcare?
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So you're saying the free market wouldn't simply improvise, adapt, and overcome?
Private insurers would be fine, there will always be rich people who can afford their shit and/or those who want to pay more to feel special. The quality of care here has never been extraordinary unless you have "fuck you" money.
I don't see why not, we gave out trillions in free money to corporations under Trump. Also, we're going on a year and a half of pandemic. If anything our government short-changed us on that compared to any other first-world nation.
The modern illness is American work culture. Japanese work culture is even worse by several degrees, but that's a different matter. Giving people more time to spend with their friends, family, and loved ones, and more time/disposable income to vacation, isn't going to cause some mystery "illness."
So you're saying the free market wouldn't simply improvise, adapt, and overcome?
When the government decides the market, there is no free market. Everyone adapts to the government's decree, and will do their best to maximize the benefits of it, underneath.
If you read it wrong, then maybe it is my fault. When medical progress has been stagnated, it is my interpretation that modern illness shouldn't be modern, but long gone. Of course, it's possible that you might actually get a "brand new" illness that prevents people from seeing each other.
It has always been the role of the government to benefit itself, and those who are participating in it. Suggesting that it is a fault or an unexpected outcome, while comparing it to other governments (unlisted) that somehow are doing a better job isn't actually providing insight.
AIn't that right @Darth Meteos
I'm going to say something that you might not like, seeing that you are a nationalist for the great nation of Scotland. But where is the prestige? Degrees are marketed like brand names, and I have never heard of anyone with a degree from Scotland doing anything impressive. This is an invitation to prove me wrong, and I hope that you do. I want to have faith in humanity.
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That's like saying the government "decides" the package delivery market. No, they're just one part of it, along with UPS, DHL, FedEx, and a number of others. If a company can't adapt its pricing/quality of service to match the competition in some way, then it fails, that's how the free market is meant to work. Which means you can still charge much more than the public option, but your quality of service better be able to excuse that extra cost.
Considering the speed at which we were able to develop multiple COVID-19 vaccines, I'd say medical science has progressed quite far.
Lol, do you believe Gordon Gekko was a founding father? Government is meant to be of, by, and for the people. Not of, by, and for the corporate oligarchs, as Republicans would have you believe.
I didn't say I was providing insight, I was only making an observation/comparison.
They do. They determine a rate, the standard of expectation, and then the rest of the market follows. It's not a free market. It's every other horse following the first horse; the government designated first horse.
One step forward, two steps back, one step forward, one step back. I see you are in favor of ignoring the big picture because you saw a "step forward".
AFAIK that government was a necessary evil intended to be on the verge of obsoletion the moment it was founded. Corporate oligarchs monopolize it, now, thanks to the effect of lobbying. Don't deny it. Pointing at the Republicans (we all know they suck) like it was ONLY their fault doesn't mean that the democrats fixed anything.
We still don't know what that observation/comparison is, because you never actually gave an example.
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I'm telling you there's no requirement that private insurers can't exceed that standard if they so choose. Private companies will always make the most amount of money possible, which is exactly why UPS, FedEx, and DHL all continue to cost far more than USPS. If that means private insurers have to provide better service to justify their prices, I'm not gonna cry a river over it.
Err no...medical science has pretty much only moved forward. And none of us get to see the big picture where something like that is concerned, being that we live only about a hundred years at most. As fast as we can make vaccines now though, it will be interesting to see how quickly new viruses are eradicated in say, 2060. Assuming natural disasters and droughts and the like don't wipe us all out before that, anyway.
Oh you're certainly correct about that, but Democrats on some levels have introduced anti-lobbying legislation in the past and likely will in the future. There's never any question when it comes to which way Republicans will vote on such legislation.
You need specifics? Canada, Scandinavian countries, the EU, Scotland, take your pick. All provided like 80% - 100% of monthly paychecks for the unemployed, most froze rent/mortgage payments for the duration of the pandemic.
FWIW, most of the a
Hey, I actually do agree with Xzi that he didn't do a good enough job with limiting deficit spending in a certain thread that got taken down for being "fake news" by Costello even though I find a good majority of his sources in his QAnon thread to be fake news themselves. I certainly don't think he's the Second Coming of Christ like many of the stereotypical Trump supporters that you guys like to say exist, which while they do, some of us realize also that David slept with Bathsheba and had her husband killed along with some of his personal servants in battle to cover up his sin. But Wikipedia? A Medium article? Fucking random Reddit posts? Those are more reliable sources?
By the way, I love that no one has actually went and tried to refute my points. I guess @0xFFFFFFFF is fine being racist. And Xzi just broke down when arguing with tabzer by calling him a douchebag, a clear sign of the winner in a debate! XD
And your hard earned wages are paying for it! After all, who needs national sovereignty when we can just hold hands with each other and act like everything is hunky dory?
Screw individual achievement, just be a part of the collective: a number, and nothing else.
Or, to put it more metaphorically, this ending from Critical Depth when the gaming industry wasn't simping for Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, and Jack Thompson's opinions of which I'm sure has no influence on games and content within them whatsoever! /s:
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The fuck are you talking about man? She said they get free education. Our hard-earned wages pay for it. Our privatized systems already turn everybody into a number. Scotland doesn't have less "freedom" just because people can pursue higher education, in whatever field they choose, for far less money. Even when accounting for the extra taxes it's still like 3% of education costs in America.
You've taken a lot of propaganda to heart if you're assuming that any deviation from the current strain of crony capitalism can only make things worse. On the contrary, there's pretty much nowhere to go but up. The US has essentially been one giant pyramid scheme for the last four years, and that mentality has seeped into every industry, including education.
I agree. Taxation & the devaluation of currency = free things. Haha, no, no it doesn't. When people like @AmandaRose says something is free, it's because he/she doesn't consider what everyone else is sacrificing for him/her. It's spoiled, and would be contained within its own small social cage if it weren't for the internet (which also isn't built on free stuff).
If you aren't lying to us, then you are lying to yourself. Try to determine how much you actually produce. Then consider that if everyone in a society was you; how would it survive? If any part of the answer relies on becoming less lazy, then you are the problem.
If you aren't lying to us, then you are lying to yourself. Try to determine how much you actually produce. Then consider that if everyone in a society was you; how would it survive? If any part of the answer relies on becoming less lazy, then you are the problem.
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Yes, but higher earners end up paying more in taxes than those on the bottom, and even then, how can you be sure the politicians and their lobbyists who support them don't use loopholes in laws that they sponsor and support and pay the writers to purposefully leave said loopholes in aforementioned laws to be treated as equals like the regular citizens? You seriously think these people actually represent you when they can represent themselves and know that they can coast easy in life as long as their donors keep giving them money?
All in all, it makes going to college to earn a better paying and more comfortable job than a retail stocker moot when you end up getting more money pulled out of your paycheck, less benefits from the government, and everything else in between that the regular people could honestly make better for themselves if the government and bureaucracy didn't have its fingers in more ways than I think a lot of you guys and gals think in everything. Or do you seriously think your hard-earned wages should be going to someone else, lest your government kicks the door to your house down because you don't have The Bill of Rights in Scotland and points a gun at you and your hypothetical family for not paying for someone to go to college when they should either ask their family, friends, and/or community(ies) that they're a part of for support, or just work their way through college just like everyone else who is doing the right thing does. Those are the actions of mafias, drug cartel members, and gangs alike not just in the US, but worldwide. With no incentive to go to college, everyone is stuck at the bottom rung of society, either working a boring job as mandated by the government, not having access to food or basic medicine like what you and I do and take for granted, and there's no way for things to get better unless if the government decides to lift its knee off the neck of the population's opportunities to make money and a better life not just for themselves, but for their families, communities, towns, cities, states, and possibly entire nations?
You sign your name on a loan? You accept the full responsibilities of the contract between you and the other party(ies) involved. Whether you can get help or not matters little as long as you uphold your end of the deal. In the end, the assumption is that if both parties are being honest, then you can assume both sides are binded to each other until they fulfill their duties to each other. Scotland has less freedom because for a lot of people, the signage of income-restricting legislation occurred with no representation on their part in relation to their own country for itself. Of course, those who came up with and benefit from this system made the whole thing to benefit them because that's how politicians usually are. Or are you naive enough to think Cuomo won't prioritize COVID testing for those closest to him over everyone else?
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/High-level-health-officials-were-tasked-with-16044748.php
This is what you guys and gals don't understand about no taxation without representation: if the people's interests aren't being represented by the representatives, senators, and presidents they elect, they have an option, one of which you guys and gals would classify as terrorism, which I find interesting as the Roman Empire's words for "savages" that ended up eventually destroying what was left of the empire at its peak before the rise of the Roman Catholic Church was basically what one would call terrorists. The founding fathers put the Second Amendment in place in the event that our government would turn away from being a religious and moral one to being corrupt to the core and in need of replacement much like what happened during the Revolutionary War. They knew what the results of a people stripped of their independence would lead to:
Socialism. Does. Not. Work. Government bailing people out is like expecting people to stay at home with their parents for the rest of their lives. The amount of people who want to do that and waste the one life they're given is very low. By having the government come in and nationalizing everything, you basically turn the entire country, not just African-Americans, but all citizens into your personal slaves. When you owe money to someone, it's a ball and chain. And with how much people are on welfare because of financial mismanagement on their parts, or because of excessive taxation and regulation that is unnecessary in a free and open market due to competition, I think a good amount of people are going to be in for a rude awakening when they find out how much more its going to cost to maintain the living standard you and I have taken for granted for so long unless if people finally remember that the Declaration of Independence started with We The People, and was meant for a nation united in its understanding of the national motto at the time, which was "Mind your own business." As long as your business didn't interrupt that of others, you were free. The moment your irresponsibility spills over into and affects others, the offender should be responsible for cleaning it up, though if the offense is particularly grave, then exercise of legal power to execute true justice becomes necessary. And it is this executing of justice, free of social bias regarding any qualities about a person or persons, that will set the tone for a nation.
When you bail people out of debt, it doesn't fix any of the qualities that got them into it. It doesn't fix the hedonism, the lack of moral virtue, courage, strength, and character, the attitudes they have about living a daily life, or other problems that used to be viewed as being vices. It just resets the amount of money they have from being in the red.
"But what about the single mothers!? What about disadvantaged people who can't pay!? What about..."
Yeah? What about them? What kinds of decisions did they make that got them to that point in life? Were they smart, well informed decisions? Were they made with consideration towards a long term future, or just a flight of fanciful whimsey to satisfy a carnal desire for a natural biological urge that was satisfied earlier in life in our parents' generations because they were expected to mature faster than we are today, and because they patterned themselves after principles established and outlined in books containing wisdom for how to live one's life?
Be it the Bible, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, Thomas Paine's Common Sense, John Bunyan's The Pilgrim's Progress, Huckleberry Finn, Great Expectations, and other books of old that weren't just about a bunch of people who's struggles were just how badly they were cutting themselves. I know, "Fallacy of relative privation," and trust me, that's still a problem today, but for every decade, there's a dark subculture that seems to encourage this kind of unhealthy behavior in a subset of people that leads to more legislation passed that's trying to solve problems that used to be solved earlier in life when one parent could support an entire family on their income, have an authority figure in the home who had not just an emotional, mental, spiritual (if you believe in that), but also physical interest in seeing their offspring grow up to be as successful as they are.
These are all small things that, when you look at the problems of people back in the 1950's compared to today, you wonder what in the Hell happened? How did people go from being able to buy cars with no problem back then to now everyone just using Uber and not even knowing how to drive a damn car in 2021 as being the standard well into their 20's? It's because of government trying to step in and fill the roles that families, communities, and friends and neighbors did back in previous decades.
We just sort of accept that people are on their phones, on their devices, even at social gatherings like its second nature, and then you look at old media from back in the day, and people were smiling, shaking hands, and just being all the more friendlier than ever. If someone said something you didn't like, they'd fight it out, whereas today, the moment a fight breaks out, especially at school where the bullied is defending themselves from the bully, both kids get in big trouble, and now, we have people killing themselves over the words people said not because bullies have disappeared, but because they've gotten a lot sneakier with their conduct, and now have a whole system that backs them up on their bullying of people who hold different opinions in a way that's not dissimilar to 1984 and the Ministry of Truth.
This guy brain is fried
🇺🇸 — WATCH: President Biden at his first Press Conference, says that he came to the US Senate "120 years ago" when answering a question about ending the filibuster. pic.twitter.com/HPY0e0oL1q
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