I actually like that idea, in a form. Perhaps it would be good for convicted rapists, or fathers who are involved with abortions. Like if the father is willing to go through with the first abortion, then he must agree to vasectomy.
Like I said, I can agree with abortion to a certain degree. But there are those out there that would argue it is acceptable to "terminate the life" up to 7 days after the mother has already given birth. That is murder, simple and plain. The ethics need to be ironed out, because these are living organisms.
Again, like I said, when you have a baby and watch that baby grow and communicate with you while it is in the mothers womb, there is no doubt that is a living, intelligent human being.
Ironically, having the aforementioned idea be a reactive measure rather than a preventative one basically just makes it a way-too-late version of abortion itself, which would likely only end up punishing the careless and not, you know, actually preventing a woman from having damage done to her body, life or lifestyle due to having a child she didn't intend to and sometimes didn't even consent to the unintentional creation of in the first place (i.e. rape). Having it be a
preventative measure like I mentioned, on the other hand, would completely erase the problem.
In terms of, well, terms, I really doubt there's anyone major that seriously advocates for
post-birth abortion, which is LITERAL murder regardless of definition. The general consensus at this point is that whenever the point in time is that a fetus gains actual sentience and could be scientifically
and morally considered a human being is, it's definitely before it's born (that probably shouldn't be something anyone should ever really have to explain)
but also certainly not as close to conception as most pro-lifers would imply.
But yeah, um... the concept of "post-birth termination" you're claiming people argue is one that nobody in their right mind would even think to suggest, and is a strawman plain and simple. It's as absurd a position as claiming all abortion, even mere days after conception if possible, is murder. (I pray nobody on this thread takes that side for real...)
I haven't seen anyone say anything like this and I doubt there's a big push for this.
Most abortions don't seem to even get pass the first trimester.
yeah a lot of the whole "abortion is murder" thing comes from people that don't quite get that the late-term abortions they love to generalize as the entire thing... are an incredibly small fraction
heck, I'm pretty sure that by the time it's late enough into the term that only a dystopian psychopath would label it as anything other than a child,
it's almost as risky to try to abort it at that point as it would be to NOT
almost all abortions are first trimester, and a large chunk are done because the would-be-but-also-shouldn't-be-child is either the result of rape, would potentially harm or kill the mother in the process of being born or would basically have the mother's life crash and burn as she struggles to take care of an unintended kid
considering there's a decent amount of overlap between these categories, sometimes all three
the funny thing about the abortion debate is the extraordinary gap between the extremes of both sides in terms of... just how extreme they are
pro-choice strawman dystopia: that one obscure philip k. dick story "the pre-persons", which goes so far off its rocker (
up to age twelve? REALLY?) that nobody could possibly take that level of viewpoint IRL
pro-life strawman dystopia: the handmaid's tale, which is basically just if the classic "almost all of humanity loses the ability to reproduce" dystopia was taken advantage of by a bunch of deeply sexist Religious-Right wingnuts
like in no timeline could I actually imagine something like the pre-persons happening- by the time it can
fucking communicate, it's clearly a sentient human being
even if I were to assume the people in charge were all some batcrap insane flavor of extreme strawman altleft and handwaved them being brainwashed into thinking like strawmen, there is no sequence of events I could think of that would lead to a nation's leaders declaring people as nonsentient until age twelve and thus legal to murder,
and the population as a whole accepting it (that and the fact that under such a law, the nation wouldn't last more than a decade or two before it disintegrated due to, well, being able to off their offspring for over a decade after birth resulting in a chronic loss of population)
but I could honestly see something reminiscent of the handmaid's tale if a national birth crisis occurred and a group of extreme right-wing christians took the reins