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Western Male Testosterone Is COLLAPSING To INSANELY Low Levels
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and then notimp is like "no wah you can't mock him for providing a dumbfuck claim littered with alt-right dogwhistles but no actual evidence, here's stuff that kinda sorta 'proves' the point but doesn't actually explain why in the hell it's a problem! if you don't immediately agree to this, you am is of bad!"
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Don't forget *replies to literally 3 words in your post*
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my thoughts exactly
a combination of autofellatingly circular logic, disregard for spelling + grammar and just baffling nonsensical bullshit renders a lot of arguments from the "they're out to get me because X", the "X is bad and will destroy society" and the "these people don't deserve basic human rights because X" sectors of the Dumbfuck Zone absolutely incomprehensible
thankfully, that just means we don't have to comprehend them
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Because you arent convincing people asking those questions with showing them how popular you are and mocking them.
You havent ever looked at how the right wing social media influence is structured, have you? Fewer people, but very dedicated. How do you become dedicated? You get convinced, that - everywhere you turn up with your opinions you get laughed at and mocked, but then only given actual attention by people that are pulling you more and more into that mindset.
We've already established that all the mocking memes here were worthless. None of them discussed (confronted, or outlined) the issue, none of them understood how to actually approach someone holding that opinion, none of them knew how to challenge such an opinion in a way - that doesnt let the deep worry it produces stay - in the hearts of people who believe that it might be true. And on top of that, it took one little reframing to make you look like mindless industry drones for not knowing the 'potential dangers' of synthetic estrogens, which is indeed a topic of contention within scientific and political fields. (Has little impact on why people actually might be radicalized (those are largely all ingroup, outgroup tales) - but just shows you how worthless the attempt at ridiculing was in the end.
And if you want me to explain after the fact, why rotting together and bashing on a dude is not good practice, when faced with stories that literally foster extremism - ehm... Ok, maybe thats also a part that you only get taught in europe, while in the US you sit through five 'the winner takes it all" classes every schoolweek - but that one also is pretty self explanatory.
In the end I could look at this thread - and how the majority in here had chosen to drive it - and still see
- the attractor element up and standing
- the worry it produces still standing and not addressed (Lacius did)
- the video promoting 'male identity figures' on the right
- everyone harping on, that you dont need that male identity anyhow
and instead of any argument given, you chose to lampoon the issue - and laugh about the people lending it credence.
You are creating the extremism yourselves - if you want to keep doing that fine, but then dont complain that the internet is full with people splitting public discourse -
because you've proven three times over, that this is also what you'd like to do - despite every other option being on the table.
This thread was just a worse representation of a pepe joke. Except that the pepe joke is more effective, because everyone loses their cool, when racism is involved. So the pepe position might win by default. (The other side looses their contenance.) You just lost your contenance and started bashing with invented hyperbole - for no reason.
The right wing sh*t poster just has to lean back - and you are dismantling yourself.
Again - the goal is not to show other people whats popular, and whats not, but to actually address the thing, that produces real worries and fears in people.
Not try to laugh it away.
edit; And the new strategy apparrently is, to tell everyone "he didnt show us the source of his worry - thats why we moked him" - which is frankly asocial, and also looses you the public argument. You can drive this argument, when you are actually trading blows on exchanging facts - but you essentially shouted down someone telling the general public 'I'm not feeling so good, I'm worried' that they shouldnt bother you until they could prove, that they had the right to be worried.
At that level utter misanthropy and cunningness starts to show, and you are loosing any argument by default. To people who might actually be worried, but not with your friends who always go with the popular argument of course.
So again, nice gambit or art (rhetorics wise), but the application...
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He's like the wish.com version of fast1619
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this is awfully poetic considering his book-length reply that once again amounts to "wah you can't mock someone for saying the dumbest shit known to man"
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The issue with this forum is, that it has no lack of people that would like to share their feels.
This for the most part is not a political forum - its an intipolitical extension of an art project that likes to exclude people using memes.
Lets go through the last few postings.
Soyboy - the most obscure - most defunct of any meaning, word got the most attention (If you'd do a word cloud). It almost seems, like the word hurt your feelings, so you gave it the spotlight, so other people could get familiar with the concept. No one has even attempted a critique of it - everyone just started mentioning it more.
People expressing, that they dont understand what this thread is about are everywhere - when the thread itself is one of the main motives/tools used by the far right to radicalize people. So are you uneducated - or just not willing to talk about those aspects?
The main motive in here still is to ostracize and make fun of it - even if, thanks to the motives - and the headline, it still works, and you are creating more and more resentment with every post ridiculing the premise.
Because you are not helping people to reduce the worry the claim produces - you are just laughing about them.
At the same time you make actual discussion of the themes in here impossible.
And whatever you do - at this point, the far right does memes far better than you do, because all that people are left with when you are engaging in it is a vague sense, of 'well that forum just wastes my time'.
Add to that five postings about 'I can grow a beard' - because one is not enough.
And all you end up with is - a mess.
So if you are fancying yourself to be 'artists' 'for' anything - you certainly arent teaching people stuff, you arent reflecting on themes, you are character assassinating (deplatforming - if you will), but making it funny - so it wont reflect on you badly.
With that opposition - right wing PR wins every time.
Your art is self referencial, stupid, and agitative.
Just my opinion.
You are now doing pepe memes, that even pepe would be jelly of.Some of that is needed, as a reminder, not to take the argument too seriously. But to produce only that? And drown out all other aspects?
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I can still grow a beard... *hardthinkface* was created as a response, in a sense to give a pep talk. To tell the op, hey - what impact on your life would you really see - even if you dont let loose that believe, you hold.
So to give them more confidence in themselves - if you will. But even just talking about 'I can still grow a beard' - prompted 10 people to produce memes about - 'he thinks people have too little, but what about too much'. Then people started to harping on others for pointing out it had no impact on their lives...
'How dare you post, that you can still grow a beard!"
So you put OP back into the corner, left him with his worries, did nothing to address the irrationalities - but produced more of those.
And of course none of you can be attacked - because you did it in the most charming way...
If someone pronounces a worry over a deficiency, you dont just make fun about how they would look like - having too much of that stuff. Even as a societal blueprint. Whats your dream here? That they sit still, and learn to 'cope' with that felt deficiency? Because too much of it would not be good for them?
This thread is literally living poetry
A quick reminder that semen of normospermic individuals contains approximately 0.71ng/ml+/-0.8ng of T. People who are worried about their T concentration may choose to increase their consumption of seminal fluid, which is both low-cost and prescription-free. Nature's little miracles.
Jokes aside, there are some concerns in regards to how modern diets affect the hormonal balance of both males and females, as well as the long-term impact of plastics and other synthetic compounds that find their way into the water supply. As far as phytoestrogen and isoflavones are concerned, the studies regarding their beneficial effects are quite consistent - they lower blood pressure, reduce cholesterol and decrease the risk of cancer, breast cancer and prostate cancer in particular. In terms of negative negative effects, studies are not consistent, or often contradictory - most find no measurable impact on T concentration, sperm quality, volume or motility, but not all. Some studies do demonstrate an observable negative impact of plant estrogens, but the sheer quantity required to reach those effects often exceeds what you'd call normal intake, or they're otherwise flawed. It's one of those "eat enough bananas and the potassium will kill you" kinds of situations. Consume enough of just about anything and you *will* observe an effect, but those are not realistic scenarios. There may or may not be some long-term effects of excessive consumption, but they're yet to be conclusively demonstrated. If people are worried about hormone levels, there are bigger concerns out there, like the aforementioned plastics, BPA in particular - the effects of those are well-documented and easier to demonstrate consistently.
Jokes aside, there are some concerns in regards to how modern diets affect the hormonal balance of both males and females, as well as the long-term impact of plastics and other synthetic compounds that find their way into the water supply. As far as phytoestrogen and isoflavones are concerned, the studies regarding their beneficial effects are quite consistent - they lower blood pressure, reduce cholesterol and decrease the risk of cancer, breast cancer and prostate cancer in particular. In terms of negative negative effects, studies are not consistent, or often contradictory - most find no measurable impact on T concentration, sperm quality, volume or motility, but not all. Some studies do demonstrate an observable negative impact of plant estrogens, but the sheer quantity required to reach those effects often exceeds what you'd call normal intake, or they're otherwise flawed. It's one of those "eat enough bananas and the potassium will kill you" kinds of situations. Consume enough of just about anything and you *will* observe an effect, but those are not realistic scenarios. There may or may not be some long-term effects of excessive consumption, but they're yet to be conclusively demonstrated. If people are worried about hormone levels, there are bigger concerns out there, like the aforementioned plastics, BPA in particular - the effects of those are well-documented and easier to demonstrate consistently.
It is seriously homoerotic to put this much energy into exploring the masculinity of other men.
@XDel is another closet case hiding behind conservative rhetoric.
@XDel is another closet case hiding behind conservative rhetoric.
His source is just a YT video of a guy who's considered to be one of the biggest fence sitters on YT just because he knows that if he was to take a hard stance on anything, he'd lose his sponsorships.
This would be different and more interesting if he found a research paper or two and linked it here. One can claim whatever they want, but unless they're not looking to be taken seriously (and this is the EoF of all places) then having good, well researched, unedited primary sources to back your claim up is an important step in that process.
""Toxic Masculinity"" is unscientific bullcrap pushed by Marxist-leaning psychologists and the like, ditto for ""harmful feminity"". There is more to lowering testosterone level than just aging more. There are actual chemicals that can make T-levels go down.
Toxic masculinity is real, and it has been scientifically demonstrated to be harmful to the individual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity
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Ah, Cold War era propaganda, truly the finest source in an argument(actually, calling it an argument is a bit of a stretch, as it's just me saying shitty jokes and then you countering my shitty jokes with bullshit)
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