Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

djpannda · Feb 22, 2021

Hanafuda said:
Like I said, the source is the DOE letter itself. I only looked more carefully because I saw some people online disputing Biden-shills who were disagreeing with the tweet posted here a few pages back. After I read carefully the conditions under which DOE had "granted" ERCOT's request, I saw it was like telling someone they could have a brand new car for free, if they could jump clear over it lengthwise in one hop from a standing start at the front bumper.

If you read the letter and think it says something different, explain.

Lolol your a shill.. I understand and agree with your Assessment of the Emergency order. Period.
.. but “Texans from twitter” is not a valid source.

ERCOT SHOULD BE AT RISK FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE REGULATION STANDARD THAT THE REST OF COUNTRY DOES.
You don’t have to accept the free new car.. especially when you spent your money on hookers and blackjack instead of fixing your own car..

Nynrah · Feb 22, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Let's pick through this absolute mess one point at a time.

1) Masks work. This has been proven time and again. Also, by "prolonged periods of time", either you mean for more than a few hours a day (and surgeons don't seem to suffer from wearing the things for hours and hours on end for an operation, so grow up) or you mean wearing the same mask regularly (in which case, just clean the damn thing from time to time). If you're so utterly brainwashed you would believe some random crazies over actual health professionals and just general reason, please do actual, legitimate research before returning to this thread and spewing more dangerous misinformation.

2) Currently, the US COVID-19 death toll is roughly 500k. (And don't you dare blame the last month's on Biden, because there is absolutely zero feasible way for him to have magically prevented those in the span of a month. That's Trump's leftovers.) Statistically speaking, the former President is likely directly responsible for approximately 40-50% of said deaths due to his intentional negligence and active spreading of harmful misinformation.

3) Thing is, it actually is significantly worse than the flu, and Trump's months-long refusal to admit that is why we're doing so badly compared to other nations. The mortality rate may be slightly better, but it spreads like wildfire, we basically just STARTED pushing out vaccines (meaning it had a year-long head start) and it seems to flip the bird to the basic concept of post-case antibodies. Trump deciding to prioritize short-term PR over long-term health and safety is why so many people died of the coronavirus, and "leading by fear" (or rather, leading by safety and sanity) would have likely resulted in a lot less deaths.

4) What? Lockdowns at this point are sort of like a class of students being stuck on silent lunch ad infinitum because the shithead in the corner won't shut up. We all have to do them because every time you REFUSE to is another time we're all potentially in danger. It's significantly better to be 'too' cautious than to be not cautious enough and end up spreading the virus.

5) Morally speaking, even if your unjustified, unproven, racially biased and frankly ridiculous fears are so correct that the number of malicious cases ("child smuggling" and that shit) are equal to the number of non-malicious ones, it's still kinda fucked up to chuck kids in places with conditions so bad they can only sanely be considered concentration camps because there's a coin-flip chance of them possibly being in here for bad reasons that we don't know about. That's if it's 50/50, which it absolutely is not.

6) WHAT?! How the fuck does Trump have any justification whatsoever for asking a foreign power to dig up dirt on his opponent?! You would've flipped your shit in five directions if Biden did the same for Trump!

7) Please provide sources for this brick of nonsense. Every single time Trump and team's unproven fraud claims were brought to court (bar ONE out of SIXTY), they have been shown to be just that- unproven.

8) This is roughly one ton of hypocrisy. First off, the guards letting them in is not a sign of peace (considering they had no business being there and were carrying actual weaponry), it's a sign of which guards need to be fired. A "peaceful protest" wouldn't have carried pipe bombs and had presumably-traitorous staff on the inside tear out panic buttons beforehand. Also, our clips of Trump telling his supporters to fight like hell to "stop the steal" are (according to you) doctored, but your clips of Democrats literally just saying the word "fight" taken completely out of context... aren't? What the fuck? Also, there is absolutely zero evidence of antifa (which is, need I remind you all, NOT AN ACTUAL ORGANIZATION TO BEGIN WITH) or BLM counter-protestors- the only example provided turned out to be the alt-right extremist Jake Angeli, who actually took getting called antifa an insult (despite antifa just being short for "anti-fascist", implying he literally is fascist...). Also, in terms of your various false equivalencies regarding BLM protests, there's an important difference. BLM protests and "making [racist officials and policemen responsible for racially disproportionate deaths] pay" were about systemic bigotry, a general issue. Trump's sore-loser rhetoric surrounded his continued denial of the legitimate results of the presidential election, which he refused to admit for months, and he instructed his protestors to "fight like hell" to change the election results. There's also the matter of that other call we have of him, which amounts to him responding to "President, your base is attempting a coup and they're seriously trying to lynch the VP, do something!" with "I guess [the insurrectionists] care more about the integrity of the election than you, huh?".

You have zero excuse to defend Trump for all he's done.
Please seek psychological help.

Hanafuda · Feb 22, 2021

djpannda said:
Lolol your a shill.. I understand and agree with your Assessment of the Emergency order. Period.
.. but “Texans from twitter” is not a valid source.

ERCOT SHOULD BE AT RISK FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE REGULATION STANDARD THAT THE REST OF COUNTRY DOES.
You don’t have to accept the free new car.. especially when you spent your money on hookers and blackjack instead of fixing your own car..

The thing is, I didn't depend on the Texans on twitter to tell me what the letter said. I read their counterargument to the people saying (as someone also said here) that the letter actually granted ERCOT's request, then I went back and re-read the letter in its entirety, to confirm who was correct. And while DOE may have technically "granted" ERCOT's request, as a practical matter the conditions they put on it amounted to an effective denial.

I don't know specifics about ERCOT emissions standards, whether they comport with EPA / DOE regulations under normal circumstances. I have no reason to be on top of such a thing in my daily life. But they're obviously under some degree of federal regulatory control or they wouldn't have been requesting that DOE grant them a temporary waiver during this emergency. And DOE's response was no help, to ERCOT or to the people of Texas.

Nynrah · Feb 22, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
You said, and I quote, "Masks are not effective".
This statement is demonstrably false, and even if it applied solely to cloth masks, that too is false (they're significantly more effective than NO mask- just somewhat less effective than actual surgical masks).
Cease spreading misinformation.

You must feel very smug on having caught me there, do you want a cookie? When people talk about masks here in general it's about non-medical masks. Again, spare me your sanctimonious attitude.

FAST6191 · Feb 22, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Well, they don't have it enshrined into law yet. And as long as it isn't enshrined into law, there will still be numerous cases like the infamous homophobic baker where people will be discriminated against for being LGBTQ+.
Also, when the legal and social "world of hurt" happens, swarms of people flock to side with the offending bigots and cry "cancel culture" as if giving an insulting name to "the consequences of one's decidedly awful actions" makes it any less justified.

Oh god, not this argument again. "Biologically speaking", women being less interested in field XYZ isn't them being less interested, it's them naturally gravitating elsewhere due to field XYZ having basically been locked off from them for a decent portion of history. The bullshit of our past, if you will.

People being morons is fine. People being HARMFUL morons (as is also the case with mask-deniers, antivaxxers, etc., albeit for different reasons) is absolutely not. Conversion therapy's best outcome is tantamount to brainwashing, to say nothing of all the other possible outcomes. If a person is LGBTQ+ in some form, it is not their job to change that, nor is it anyone else's RIGHT to try to change them. It is others' job to fucking accept them as they are. And to be honest, considering all the other pseudoscience nonsense ranges from "side effects may include: loss of money" to "side effects may include: getting brought to the hospital because you chugged a 'remedy' made of literal poison", I wouldn't exactly oppose their banning.

They'll probably have to account for pan and ace shortly after passing it, I bet. Then again, there haven't exactly been cases of people being refused service or occupation due to being asexual (mostly because there's literally no way to tell if someone is asexual unless they or someone that knows them... tells you), and pansexuality likely falls under bisexuality as far as soon-to-be-unlawful discrimination thereof is concerned.
Also, the gender wage-gap isn't by choice. How the fuck would it be by choice?! Though a crude generalization, "wages lower because tits" is arguably closer to the truth- women tend to end up paid less than men for the same jobs, and this isn't exactly helped by work culture treating one's wage like a personal detail to keep secret from most people at all costs.

The baker thing I still don't think as clear cut as you want to have it there. The "not entitled to my action" concept is persuasive.

And yes biology is a thing. Babies show preferences in toys long before they internalise misogyny (they tend not to have language by the points it is measurable). Strength and size are generally an advantage in the trades and guess where you find that. Do you want to bet on what sex prefers comfort more than the other? I am sure "know your place/role" robbed us of some fantastic women builders/scientists/engineers throughout history and crying shame really. To ignore the effects of biology in disproportionately favouring people to have skills in relevant fields... nuts.

On conversion therapy. Brainwashing, as in the best case, is fine. No real difference to being hypnotised to be more assertive, confident... or whatever other nonsense they hire life coaches for, even if it is as effective (which is to say it is not).
"If a person is LGBTQ+ in some form, it is not their job to change that, nor is it anyone else's RIGHT to try to change them"
Except it quite literally would be their job (would have thought it in the definition). Right to try... no but someone could ask to have it attempted for them. I get asked plenty of things that "physics says no" but they can still ask.

On antivaxxers. I would have to say "my body, my rules" does have to apply even if you are being a moron still. Sucks but if we are going to the free society then toleration of morons at some level gets to happen.

On asexuality. If this is supposed to be the mighty law passing for the ages (there are a few types of law, that, sort a very specific problem now and probably have to be changed later or expanded to cover the whole set and useless) then that would appear to be an oversight. Given the dubious logic of the rest then I would also ponder if "single income means you can't afford as much house" is a thing they might bring up even if it is silly/obvious.

Pay gap (which is a different notion to wage gap) is very much a choice. Take time off to have kids, can't be arsed to compete with those putting in 100 hours a week/all the overtime, can't be bothered to take the hard projects and whatnot, do huggy feely courses rather than hard graft fields, and you fall behind. I am all for it (work-life balance for me says you can keep your work and you are a fool if you go all in for it -- work to live, don't live to work) but in the end the results are what they are. Every time I go drilling down into things here then "because tits" is not a factor. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/th...der-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ serves as a nice intro for that one.

djpannda · Feb 22, 2021

Nynrah said:
You must feel very smug on having caught me there, do you want a cookie? When people talk about masks here in general it's about non-medical masks. Again, spare me your sanctimonious attitude.

If your giving out reparations for your misinformation ...I would like a cookie too ..

Nynrah · Feb 22, 2021

djpannda said:
If your giving out reparations for your misinformation ...I would like a cookie too ..

You do realize that was a sarcastic remark, do you?

Plasmaster09 · Feb 22, 2021

FAST6191 said:
The baker thing I still don't think as clear cut as you want to have it there. The "not entitled to my action" concept is persuasive.

And yes biology is a thing. Babies show preferences in toys long before they internalise misogyny (they tend not to have language by the points it is measurable). Strength and size are generally an advantage in the trades and guess where you find that. Do you want to bet on what sex prefers comfort more than the other? I am sure "know your place/role" robbed us of some fantastic women builders/scientists/engineers throughout history and crying shame really. To ignore the effects of biology in disproportionately favouring people to have skills in relevant fields... nuts.

On conversion therapy. Brainwashing, as in the best case, is fine. No real difference to being hypnotised to be more assertive, confident... or whatever other nonsense they hire life coaches for, even if it is as effective (which is to say it is not).
"If a person is LGBTQ+ in some form, it is not their job to change that, nor is it anyone else's RIGHT to try to change them"
Except it quite literally would be their job (would have thought it in the definition). Right to try... no but someone could ask to have it attempted for them. I get asked plenty of things that "physics says no" but they can still ask.

On antivaxxers. I would have to say "my body, my rules" does have to apply even if you are being a moron still. Sucks but if we are going to the free society then toleration of morons at some level gets to happen.

On asexuality. If this is supposed to be the mighty law passing for the ages (there are a few types of law, that, sort a very specific problem now and probably have to be changed later or expanded to cover the whole set and useless) then that would appear to be an oversight. Given the dubious logic of the rest then I would also ponder if "single income means you can't afford as much house" is a thing they might bring up even if it is silly/obvious.

Pay gap (which is a different notion to wage gap) is very much a choice. Take time off to have kids, can't be arsed to compete with those putting in 100 hours a week/all the overtime, can't be bothered to take the hard projects and whatnot, do huggy feely courses rather than hard graft fields, and you fall behind. I am all for it (work-life balance for me says you can keep your work and you are a fool if you go all in for it -- work to live, don't live to work) but in the end the results are what they are. Every time I go drilling down into things here then "because tits" is not a factor. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/th...der-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ serves as a nice intro for that one.

Biology is a thing (I'd have to be crazy to deny it having ANY role in things), but its role has been significantly overstated, and the role of "know your place" bigotry and the laws that historically reinforced it have been significantly understated.

As for conversion therapy... whew.
First off, "their job" as in the job of the LGBTQ+ person. Someone should not have to change who they fundamentally are in terms of a characteristic that, as far as we know, is biological... just because some bigoted prick in the family says so.
Also, there's a significant difference between life coaching and conversion therapy. (Wow, that was an actual sentence that I actually had to say.) Life coaching is typically done with the consent of the recipient, has the end goal of giving someone a positive psychological trait rather than fundamentally changing who they are mentally, hasn't been shown to have significant harmful side-effects AFAIK and isn't done out of bigotry. None of these are true for conversion therapy.
In addition, as the evidence mounts further and further that X part of LGBTQ+ is innate and genetic, conversion therapy goes from "an unsavory version of life coaching" to "trying to brainwash someone into becoming something they neurologically are not and never will be regardless of conversion therapy".

In terms of antivaxxers, they aren't just endangering themselves. They're also endangering everyone else around them, from slightly increasing the risks to even those who are vaccinated to potentially fatally endangering those with actual serious conditions that make the vaccine too unsafe to risk. They are putting the lives of other people at risk out of selfishness and willful ignorance, and such actions should be outlawed. The flaw with the "my body, my choice" argument is that it completely ignores the fact that not getting vaccinated affects everyone around them.

In terms of asexuality, I agree, it's a notable oversight. However, it's also one that makes a small enough difference that it would be fine if they passed it how it is and amended it later with that in mind.

AmandaRose · Feb 22, 2021

Just when you think Americans couldn't be any more crazy we now have Americans claiming the snow that fell in Texas was fake :rofl2:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ow-conspiracy-theory-tiktok-b1805616.html?amp

djpannda · Feb 22, 2021

AmandaRose said:
Just when you think Americans couldn't be more crazy we now have Americans claiming the snow that fell in Texas was fake

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ow-conspiracy-theory-tiktok-b1805616.html?amp

wait you mean it was not the Jewish Lazers?

FAST6191 · Feb 22, 2021

I would not lean as much into social conditioning/historical stuff.
As it stands today most STEM subjects and apprenticeships are tripping over themselves to get women in for reasons I have never quite figured out (build it and whoever wants to come, and can make the grade, can come being how I would roll) and yet it is not equal in terms of gender by a long shot despite general attendance to higher education even skewing towards women at this point. That would appear to be a strong revealed preference there. Equally looking at the Nordic set so beloved of a few pages ago then they tend to provide one of the starkest examples of the freer (whilst still being nice to live in) the more people lean into what might be deemed traditional gender roles,
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...nder-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/
Also that is without debating the extremes in things like IQ distributions, though even not at the extremes it still has an effect https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SexDifferences.aspx .

On antivax. That is an argument. Not sure it reaches the realm of can actively enforce anything as much as deny access to schools or whatever else. Sucks but it is what it is.

On conversion therapy. I think we had a mismatch on what persons we were talking about. As far as best outcomes, efficacy... yeah "magic crystals" at least have the placebo effect so are probably more effective in the grand scheme of things. Any actual plausible conversion is probably some serious neural and maybe genetic reprogramming away (years out is a hard guess but pending someone having some real fun with something like CRISPR then I would not be surprised to hear a century, though there are some things that could hasten it if they happen and in theory they could happen tomorrow). The question was whether I would deny the opportunity to run such things by force of law, and that is before we contemplate actions within them (boring lecture vs actual torturous action being a rather large gulf). The parental question for your minor charges is also something of a hard one -- for as much as religion is a bunch of nonsense I would say the ability to raise your child in one (and not have the state come in and say oi) is a right I am not inclined to step on to readily, even if outcomes would be nice. Hopefully whatever ones are sent to things end up at those "actually it is just a nice camp but your parents need not know that and can think we are attempting conversion" type places.

Hanafuda · Feb 23, 2021

AmandaRose said:
Just when you think Americans couldn't be any more crazy we now have Americans claiming the snow that fell in Texas was fake

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ow-conspiracy-theory-tiktok-b1805616.html?amp

There are no outer boundaries to insanity.

Julie_Pilgrim · Feb 23, 2021

AmandaRose said:
Just when you think Americans couldn't be any more crazy we now have Americans claiming the snow that fell in Texas was fake

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ow-conspiracy-theory-tiktok-b1805616.html?amp

Snow is socialist propaganda

Valwinz · Feb 23, 2021

Biden's failure of lack of early policy wins ruins the chances of a "voot bloo no mater whoo" movement saving the Democrats in the 2024 Election.

tabzer · Feb 24, 2021

Valwinz said:
Biden's failure of lack of early policy wins ruins the chances of a "voot bloo no mater whoo" movement saving the Democrats in the 2024 Election.

That's insinuating that voting matters.

Valwinz · Feb 24, 2021

Biden defense force assembleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Bruh pic.twitter.com/lfBCVu39CX
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chrisrlink · Feb 24, 2021

Valwinz said:
Biden defense force assembleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
https://twitter.com/RealAPolitics/status/1364673145865699330

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Biden had nothing to do with cancelling it, the operation never even got off the ground anyways, pretty far down in the story.

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read the last sentence here I'll enlarge it for you too Biden had nothing to do with cancelling it, the operation never even got off the ground anyways, pretty far down in the story.

tthousand · Feb 24, 2021

R E A D B E T W E E N T H E L I N E S

"A senior ICE official said the Biden administration had nothing to do with that decision. Speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters, the official said they had not heard about the operation, but that it was possible that career staffers had planned it and set it aside while awaiting new instructions from the Biden team."

So 1 guy says Biden had nothing to do with it, and he did not even know about the operation to begin with. So what the fuck does he know? Where do they find these guys LOL

Plasmaster09 · Feb 24, 2021

tthousand said:
R E A D B E T W E E N T H E L I N E S

"A senior ICE official said the Biden administration had nothing to do with that decision. Speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters, the official said they had not heard about the operation, but that it was possible that career staffers had planned it and set it aside while awaiting new instructions from the Biden team."

So 1 guy says Biden had nothing to do with it, and he did not even know about the operation to begin with. So what the fuck does he know? Where do they find these guys LOL

...And what the fuck do the guys claiming Biden was directly responsible for canceling it know?
Besides, I can know that someone didn't do something without knowing what that something is, as long as I know what they HAVE done.
It's like being asked if I bought oranges, not knowing what an orange is but recognizing every single item I bought as something else that I know (i.e. not an orange).

tthousand · Feb 24, 2021

The "guys"1 claiming Biden canceling it point you, the reader, to view the official document asking Biden to reserve the cancellation, which is signed by 18 attorney generals of different states2.

1 https://humanevents.com/2021/02/24/...rgeted-sex-offenders-living-in-u-s-illegally/
2 https://abcnews4.com/news/local/ag-...n-of-ice-operation-on-convicted-sex-offenders

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