Conservative Radio Host Rush Limbaugh dead at 70

SG854 · Feb 19, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
thing is that the level you're saying I think he could've put himself at... isn't the one I'm saying he could've put himself at
hanafuda made the connection as one of pure death toll
I made the connection as one of megalomania and dictatorship
Trump put kids in fucking concentration camps, spent a decent amount of his time systematically hollowing out as much of the government that he could that wasn't directly dependent on the President's wishes, put the WORST PLAUSIBLE PEOPLE in charge of the parts he couldn't eradicate (like putting two climate-change deniers at the head of the EPA and the either-illiterate-or-fraudulent dipshit, creationist and general embarrassment Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary), stuffed the administration with his own family members (and campaign donors too, because nepotism wasn't enough), and basically tried to shit on every part of basic common sense and human rights he could in order to suppress groups that would likely hate his ass with a passion
in terms of dictatorship, megalomania and general suppression/oppression of all groups that disagree with him (though that does naturally fold into dictatorship, it's a part of it he seems to specialize in)... Trump is up there

Of course you didn't. You can't stand reading something you disagree with, so you (ironically and hypocritically enough) remained willfully ignorant instead.

Ok I understand what you are getting at now. You weren't comparing the killings since Hitler's Germany was obviously worse with burning people alive and gassing them. You were comparing the dictator like attitude they have.

Kids in concentration camps? Are you talking about the kids being put in cages?

SonowRaevius · Feb 19, 2021

Hanafuda said:
"Not saying that in defense of Rush, or those times ... more as an indictment of the ignorance of everyone then."

Perhaps you didn't catch that part?

I caught it quite well, but given the fact that you chose to bring it up for 0 reason whatsoever to soften the blow of what he did shows the insincerity of your above statement.

If not then you brought up a point that need not be brought up for literally no reason whatsoever, which is absolutely moronic and makes you look even more foolish.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 19, 2021

SG854 said:
Ok I understand what you are getting at now. You weren't comparing the killings since Hitler's Germany was obviously worse with burning people alive and gassing them. You were comparing the dictator like attitude they have.

Kids in concentration camps? Are you talking about the kids being put in cages?

I mean yeah
Trump may have been a maniacal wannabe-tyrant whose selfishness and chronic negligence caused the avoidable deaths of hundreds of thousands to date due to the coronavirus, but I'd have to be around five orders of magnitude crazier than I could possibly be right now to even consider him actually on par with Hitler in those ways (also note that Hanafuda didn't actually mention Hitler originally- he only brought him up when he misinterpreted my response as one of death-toll-talk)
I was comparing the dictatorial attitude, lust for power as well as their policies (more specifically, how a lot of Trump's policies basically nudged him closer and closer to dictatorship), but even he's nowhere near that level of sheer walking atrocity-lump
and in terms of the cages: yes, and to be honest what the fuck else would you even call that
it wouldn't be something like a "deportation camp" because then you're holding someone in there for an extended amount of time... for an action solely involving booting them out
"detention facility"? I mean sure, that is technically what they are on paper, but that actually implies the slightest shred of humane treatment
which those camps completely and utterly lacked
like even just looking at the wikipedia article, starting from as neutral a perspective as I can and reading through the entire thing... I can say without a shred of hyperbole that it'd be better described as torture than simply 'detention'

SG854 · Feb 19, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
I mean yeah
Trump may have been a maniacal wannabe-tyrant whose selfishness and chronic negligence caused the avoidable deaths of hundreds of thousands to date due to the coronavirus, but I'd have to be around five orders of magnitude crazier than I could possibly be right now to even consider him actually on par with Hitler in those ways (also note that Hanafuda didn't actually mention Hitler originally- he only brought him up when he misinterpreted my response as one of death-toll-talk)
I was comparing the dictatorial attitude, lust for power as well as their policies (more specifically, how a lot of Trump's policies basically nudged him closer and closer to dictatorship), but even he's nowhere near that level of sheer walking atrocity-lump
and in terms of the cages: yes, and to be honest what the fuck else would you even call that
it wouldn't be something like a "deportation camp" because then you're holding someone in there for an extended amount of time... for an action solely involving booting them out
"detention facility"? I mean sure, that is technically what they are on paper, but that actually implies the slightest shred of humane treatment
which those camps completely and utterly lacked
like even just looking at the wikipedia article, starting from as neutral a perspective as I can and reading through the entire thing... I can say without a shred of hyperbole that it'd be better described as torture than simply 'detention'

Trumps handling of policies caused uneeded covid deaths.

Do you think people that vote for Trump are also responsible for those deaths? They put this person in power that, with lack of action, allowed for more deaths then needed. Do voters also share responsibility for the blame?

Plasmaster09 · Feb 19, 2021

SG854 said:
Trumps handling of policies caused uneeded covid deaths.

Do you think people that vote for Trump are also responsible for those deaths? They put this person in power that, with lack of action, allowed for more deaths then needed. Do voters also share responsibility for the blame?

Arguably... sort of.
Statistically speaking, each Trump 2016 voter has roughly 0.0076 deaths on their hands at the moment just from COVID-19.
And honestly, that is an amount that's quite reasonable for them to have the responsibility for.
They, against facts, morals and common sense, voted for a man that would proceed to deliberately politicize and ignore a global pandemic, resulting in about half a million dead and countless more infected with it in the span of like a bit more than a year or so.
Yeah, I'd say... *checks math* every 131 or so Trumpers are roughly responsible for one death.

Hanafuda · Feb 19, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Arguably... sort of.
Statistically speaking, each Trump 2016 voter has roughly 0.0076 deaths on their hands at the moment just from COVID-19.
And honestly, that is an amount that's quite reasonable for them to have the responsibility for.
They, against facts, morals and common sense, voted for a man that would proceed to deliberately politicize and ignore a global pandemic, resulting in about half a million dead and countless more infected with it in the span of like a bit more than a year or so.
Yeah, I'd say... *checks math* every 131 or so Trumpers are roughly responsible for one death.

You're apparently assuming that under some Democrat Super Leader the USA would've never allowed Covid-19 to enter the country and kill even a single person, and you're also not attributing any responsibility to local Democrat Governors and Mayors who bungled shit the whole way. I mean look at Cuomo - not only did his bad decisions kill people, but he actively hid it, lied about it, and threatened people to keep a lid on it.

Anyway by your logic, then anyone who voted for Obama bears some statistical responsibility for US military deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, right? He promised to end both conflicts during his campaign, and didn't. Not to mention the local resident victims of those military actions, as well as the victims of drone and airstrikes ordered by Obama in Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, and Libya.

I don't agree with this argument, especially in the circumstance of when a politician doesn't do what they promised prospective voters they would do, or when an unforeseen calamity strikes such as Covid-19.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 19, 2021

Hanafuda said:
You're apparently assuming that under some Democrat Super Leader the USA would've never allowed Covid-19 to enter the country and kill even a single person, and you're also not attributing any responsibility to local Democrat Governors and Mayors who bungled shit the whole way. I mean look at Cuomo - not only did his bad decisions kill people, but he actively hid it, lied about it, and threatened people to keep a lid on it.

Anyway by your logic, then anyone who voted for Obama bears some statistical responsibility for US military deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, right? He promised to end both conflicts during his campaign, and didn't. Not to mention the local resident victims of those military actions, as well as the victims of drone and airstrikes ordered by Obama in Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, and Libya.

I don't agree with this argument, especially in the circumstance of when a politician doesn't do what they promised prospective voters they would do, or when an unforeseen calamity strikes such as Covid-19.

Trump knew how dangerous it would be and remained willingly and dangerously negligent until it was far too late. A Democrat wouldn't have handled it perfectly (no such thing), but a Democrat (or to be honest even a vaguely moderate Republican) wouldn't have fucked it up this bad on purpose by politicizing BASIC SAFETY MEASURES.
Oh, and the rest of your point (well then WhAt AbOuT tHiS dEm ThAt DiD tHiS tHiNg) is the literal definition of whataboutism.

Hanafuda · Feb 19, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Trump knew how dangerous it would be and remained willingly and dangerously negligent until it was far too late. A Democrat wouldn't have handled it perfectly (no such thing), but a Democrat (or to be honest even a vaguely moderate Republican) wouldn't have fucked it up this bad on purpose by politicizing BASIC SAFETY MEASURES.
Oh, and the rest of your point (well then WhAt AbOuT tHiS dEm ThAt DiD tHiS tHiNg) is the literal definition of whataboutism.

If you want to make it about the 2020 election, I would concede you have a point. Not one I agree with necessarily, but one reasonable people could agree about. But you're talking about 2016 Trump voters having responsibility for (in your opinion) his being negligent in handling the crisis 4 years later. (I remember Pres. Trump declaring a travel ban on China in February that Democrats called xenophobic and racist and crazy, and Pelosi said people should still come out and party in the streets that it was perfectly safe, and Trump was just overreacting. It wasn't till it was politically advantageous for them that Democrats started claiming the opposite, i.e. he waited too long. But that's my opinion, you have yours and you're entitled to it.)

And 'whataboutism' is a valid point when it demonstrates the hypocrisy of the original accuser. The term 'whataboutism' was invented so the hypocrite could deflect.

The Catboy · Feb 19, 2021

Consider his views on the LGBT+ to be my views on his death.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 19, 2021

Hanafuda said:
If you want to make it about the 2020 election, I would concede you have a point. Not one I agree with necessarily, but one reasonable people could agree about. But you're talking about 2016 Trump voters having responsibility for (in your opinion) his being negligent in handling the crisis 4 years later. (I remember Pres. Trump declaring a travel ban on China in February that Democrats called xenophobic and racist and crazy, and Pelosi said people should still come out and party in the streets that it was perfectly safe, and Trump was just overreacting. It wasn't till it was politically advantageous for them that Democrats started claiming the opposite, i.e. he waited too long. But that's my opinion, you have yours and you're entitled to it.)

And 'whataboutism' is a valid point when it demonstrates the hypocrisy of the original accuser. The term 'whataboutism' was invented so the hypocrite could deflect.

2020 Trump voters were the ones brainfucked enough to vote for a man that had just trashed the country.
2016 Trump voters were the ones slightly-less-brainfucked enough to look at his track record before even getting into politics, his complete lack of political experience, his complete lack of actual skill as a businessman (his one claim to fame, despite nearly every business he touches crumbling into dust like a bankrupt version of Midas) and his campaign being entirely built on xenophobia and bigotry... and vote him in in the first place.

Hanafuda · Feb 19, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
2020 Trump voters were the ones brainfucked enough to vote for a man that had just trashed the country.
2016 Trump voters were the ones slightly-less-brainfucked enough to look at his track record before even getting into politics, his complete lack of political experience, his complete lack of actual skill as a businessman (his one claim to fame, despite nearly every business he touches crumbling into dust like a bankrupt version of Midas) and his campaign being entirely built on xenophobia and bigotry... and vote him in in the first place.

Well, duh. Hillary was worse.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 19, 2021

Hanafuda said:
Well, duh. Hillary was worse.

No, she really wasn't.
She may have been flawed, and she really deserved to get her ass kicked by Sanders in the primaries (heck, statistics after the fact determined Sanders would've almost definitely WON had she not stood in his way, and we wouldn't be in this level of mess), but it takes a LOT to be worse than Trump.
Most of the "but she's worse" nonsense came from seriously over-exaggerating one easily-misunderstood and convoluted scandal that ended up serving very little relevancy to if she would actually be a good fit for President. As it turns out, she'd likely be a mediocre fit, while Trump started as a bad fit and proved himself a fit worse than almost any President prior.

Julie_Pilgrim · Feb 21, 2021

chrisrlink · Feb 22, 2021

as the ultimate disrespect I'd say replace his tombstone with a toilet (and then take a dump on his grave)

Julie_Pilgrim · Feb 22, 2021

chrisrlink said:
as the ultimate disrespect I'd say replace his tombstone with a toilet (and then take a dump on his grave)

His tombstone is the toilet

smf · Feb 22, 2021

Hanafuda said:
You're apparently assuming that under some Democrat Super Leader the USA would've never allowed Covid-19 to enter the country and kill even a single person,

I'm pretty sure biden wouldn't have spent months pretending that covid 19 wasn't a threat so that people would like him.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 22, 2021

smf said:
I'm pretty sure biden wouldn't have spent months pretending that covid 19 wasn't a threat so that people would like him.

Biden probably also wouldn't have:
a) KNOWINGLY AND WILLFULLY downplayed his response to COVID-19 from all the way back last February because of a preference of short-term PR over hundreds of thousands of lives
b) politicized basic safety measures
c) pushed unproven and likely dangerous 'remedies' like hydroxychloroquine and eventually what could be summed up as "drink bleach lmao"
d) lied about the severity of his own case of COVID-19 upon getting infected with it and having to be chucked into Walter Reed for weeks
e) lied about what they PUT him on at Walter Reed
f) just been a general negligent dickbag about it

smf · Feb 22, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
f) just been a general negligent dickbag about it

He is negligent on purpose, for money.

It would be better if he was just inept.

Subtle Demise · Feb 22, 2021

How does every thread devolve into talking about Bad Orangeman? So he boomer posted on Twitter sometimes. Big whoop.

As for Rush. My dad used to listen to his show and watch him on TV iirc. Don't know much more than that.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 22, 2021

Subtle Demise said:
How does every thread devolve into talking about Bad Orangeman? So he boomer posted on Twitter sometimes. Big whoop.

As for Rush. My dad used to listen to his show and watch him on TV iirc. Don't know much more than that.

dude you don't understand
trump willingly downplayed covid's intensity and downplayed the response to it since last february
he KNEW how dangerous it was but chose to be an asshole and treat it like a simple flu, along with moronic decisions like politicizing mask-wearing

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