Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

Plasmaster09 · Feb 12, 2021

monkeyman4412 said:
rip,welp, time for me to go in a hole now.

at least you aren't Bruce Castor
that guy fucked up his defense so unfathomably badly that if I was Trump, I'd make some witty quip like "with friends like these, who needs enemas"... or I would if not for the fact that me being Trump would necessitate a complete lack of brain matter

Deleted User · Feb 12, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
at least you aren't Bruce Castor
that guy fucked up his defense so unfathomably badly that if I was Trump, I'd make some witty quip like "with friends like these, who needs enemas"... or I would if not for the fact that me being Trump would necessitate a complete lack of brain matter

fucking rofl

urherenow · Feb 12, 2021

Lacius said:
Russia definitively and demonstrably meddled with the 2016 election to benefit Trump and hurt Clinton.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election, and when it comes to some specific claims, we have evidence disproving widespread voter fraud.

Trump has a long history of encouraging violence. Trump repeatedly peddled lies and bullshit about widespread election fraud. Trump told his mob of supporters to march to the Capitol, he told them to never concede, and he told them they wouldn't be able to take their country back with weakness.

Trump and his allies are 100% responsible for the insurrection. It was the Trump people who got the permits for going to the Capitol. There was no plan to go to the Capitol until Trump brought it up.

It is. I'm glad to hear you've changed your mind and admit the impeachment trial is constitutional. Former presidents can indeed be impeached.

What are you talking about specifically?

My bad. It wasn't in the article linked to in this thread. I have a habit of remembering things but not quite recalling where I remember them from. I was, of course, talking about Nixon. He was set for impeachment, and there was zero chance of NOT being both impeached AND convicted. But he resigned. And before the matter was pressed any farther to impeach him anyway, he was pardoned by Ford.

And the Russian meddling thing... no matter what you think about it, it was none of Trump's doing. Please let that ship sail already. What they DID do, is try to boost Trump's chances by releasing information that was damaging to the DNC. Yet all of you cry about Russian interference, as if knowing how shady the people you're voting for are, is a bad thing. It truly boggles my mind.
"U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia did not alter actual votes during the 2016 election."
https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/

To say Trump is 100% responsible for the actions of others, would be to say that several members of the DNC are at least partially responsible for this: "However, the violence by early June 2020 had resulted in two deaths, 604 arrests, and upwards of $500 million in property damage to 1,500 locations, making it the second-most destructive period of local unrest in United States history, after the 1992 Los Angeles Riots" <-- a statement which has at least 8 different references, so I'll not waste my time posting them all here.

At any rate, the chances of conviction are very slim. Time that should be spent fixing the damn health care system, among other things. If you're betting on a conviction, you're a fool. (and that statement is in no way my endorsement of Trump. I do believe he accomplished a lot of good things. I also believe that he's an asshat.)

smf · Feb 12, 2021

tthousand said:
LOL... the left wing, hate mob claims they are a party of diversity, but if you do not fall in line to the narrative you are treated like the Jewish people in Germany in WW2.

If you don't fall in line and vote for Trump then the right wing hate mob try to stop the vote and when that fails they storm the capitol. It's not wrong for the left wing to stand up to that.

Sociopaths argue like you.

tabzer · Feb 12, 2021

Lacius said:
Wait, are you arguing you don't believe in the existence of the soul as I'm using the word?

I'm saying that you are disenfranchising people who use the word correctly, and though your consensus mechanism for popularity is suspect, saying things in ways that you think are popular makes you an unreliable shill.

Lacius said:
Words are descriptive, not prescriptive. This statement here proves that you still haven't grasped that concept, or you wouldn't be talking about the "truth" of what a word means. The closest you can come to the "truth" of what a word means is how people are using it, lol.

They are both. For example, when you say that there is no evidence of voter fraud in response to someone saying that there is evidence of voter fraud, you are using the word "evidence" prescriptively--even despite the historically valid application of it in the same vein.

In the context of soul. It wasn't created out of popularity just so that you can shit on it. There is a direct lineage to where the word comes from, and those who speak about the word on any serious level would have an obvious incentive to be aware of it.

Lacius said:
I've never said "DNC forever." Perhaps you're the one making assumptions that are erroneous? (that was a rhetorical question, because you are).

Saying that it appears that you are hardlining for the DNC with a quote that I didn't ascribe to you personally is a little different than saying that there is no evidence of "the soul". It's better that you admit an unawareness to what "the soul" is, and use that to your advantage when trying to be better than someone on the subject. It does appear that you are hard for democrats, though. I'm inviting you to correct me on the subject by telling you how it appears.

smf · Feb 12, 2021

urherenow said:
To say Trump is 100% responsible for the actions of others,

In terms of the capitol siege, that was done for Trump after he coaxed them.

He watched his supporters attack the capitol and never once called for calm, he wanted it to happen and anyone who claims he didn't is delusional.

Trump is at least an accessory to the crimes that took place in January https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_purpose

urherenow · Feb 12, 2021

Lacius said:
It is. I'm glad to hear you've changed your mind and admit the impeachment trial is constitutional. Former presidents can indeed be impeached.

What are you talking about specifically?

smf said:
In terms of the capitol siege, that was done for Trump after he coaxed them.

He watched his supporters attack the capitol and never once called for calm, he wanted it to happen and anyone who claims he didn't is delusional.

So it's like putting a blind fold on and shooting your gun, you've got a permit right and you don't intend to actually shoot anybody, you couldn't possibly be held responsible if someone got in the way.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-remarks-idUSKBN29I37G

DNC never denounced the riots. They simply stated that they would continue, and sat back with a smug look on their face. And there are actual laws about the discharge of firearms within city limits. Try again.

smf · Feb 12, 2021

urherenow said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-remarks-idUSKBN29I37G

DNC never denounced the riots. They simply stated that they would continue, and sat back with a smug look on their face. Try again.

Try again????

A pre-recorded video of U.S. President Donald Trump addressing the U.S. Capitol riot is seen playing on a television in the White House briefing room in Washington, U.S., January 13, 2021. REUTERS/Erin Scott

Instead Trump focused his remarks on the violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6

I was talking about on January 6th, it took him 5 days before he could be persuaded by his legal advisers that it would be bad if he didn't distance himself,

He is president of the US, while the mob were attacking the capitol causing death, he could have asked them to stop and tell the people that it wasn't what he wanted. He didn't, because it was what he wanted.

Try again.

urherenow · Feb 12, 2021

smf said:
Try again????

A pre-recorded video of U.S. President Donald Trump addressing the U.S. Capitol riot is seen playing on a television in the White House briefing room in Washington, U.S., January 13, 2021. REUTERS/Erin Scott

Instead Trump focused his remarks on the violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6

I was talking about on January 6th, it took him 5 days before he could be persuaded it would be bad if he didn't distance himself,

He is president of the US, while the mob were attacking the capitol causing death, he could have asked them to stop and tell the people that it wasn't what he wanted. He didn't, because it was what he wanted.

Try again.

So you're a mind reader now. And you can prove it. Some lawyer you'd make. Try again. :rofl2:

smf · Feb 12, 2021

urherenow said:
So you're a mind reader now. And you can prove it. Some lawyer you'd make. Try again.

No, I'm going from statements that were released by his advisers. Like this one.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/10/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-impeachment/index.html

Advisers to former President Donald Trump say he still has not expressed remorse for the siege at the US Capitol,

Now you can argue that is fake news, but Trumps own actions by taking 5 days to try to distance himself puts it beyond reasonable doubt.

Go to jail, do not collect $200, bye bye troll.

urherenow · Feb 12, 2021

By the way, he did tell them to go home WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING (or at least pretty damn soon after). Posted a video on Twitter, which was blocked, because they didn't agree with some other BS that he said.

Try again.

Oh, and I'm waiting on the DNC denouncement of the summer riots. Still. Won't hold my breath.

Lacius · Feb 12, 2021

urherenow said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-remarks-idUSKBN29I37G

DNC never denounced the riots. They simply stated that they would continue, and sat back with a smug look on their face. And there are actual laws about the discharge of firearms within city limits. Try again.

Virtually everybody but Trump and his supporters condemned the riots. It also took Trump nearly a week before he explicitly condemned the riots, and even then, he continued to falsely claim the election had been stolen. The week prior, he instigated the mob attack on the Capitol, and he called them patriots even after we roughly understood the seriousness and the violence that had occurred. Try again.

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urherenow said:
By the way, he did tell them to go home WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING (or at least pretty damn soon after). Posted a video on Twitter, which was blocked, because they didn't agree with some other BS that he said.

Try again.

Oh, and I'm waiting on the DNC denouncement of the summer riots. Still. Won't hold my breath.

He begrudgingly and unenthusiastically told them to go home after the damage was done, while calling them patriots after the damage was done, and while continuing to rile them up and falsely claim the election was stolen from him. Try again.

urherenow · Feb 12, 2021

Lacius said:
Virtually everybody but Trump and his supporters condemned the riots. It also took Trump nearly a week before he explicitly condemned the riots, and even then, he continued to falsely claim the election had been stolen. The week prior, he instigated the mob attack on the Capitol, and he called them patriots even after we roughly understood the seriousness and the violence that had occurred. Try again.

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He begrudgingly and unenthusiastically told them to go home after the damage was done, while calling them patriots after the damage was done, and while continuing to rile them up and falsely claim the election was stolen from him. Try again.

You just contradicted yourself in a single post. Try again. (The video in the Youtube video, was not a week later). Still waiting on DNC...

Lacius · Feb 12, 2021

tabzer said:
I'm saying that you are disenfranchising people who use the word correctly, and though your consensus mechanism for popularity is suspect, saying things in ways that you think are popular makes you an unreliable shill.

They are both. For example, when you say that there is no evidence of voter fraud in response to someone saying that there is evidence of voter fraud, you are using the word "evidence" prescriptively--even despite the historically valid application of it in the same vein.

In the context of soul. It wasn't created out of popularity just so that you can shit on it. There is a direct lineage to where the word comes from, and those who speak about the word on any serious level would have an obvious incentive to be aware of it.

Saying that it appears that you are hardlining for the DNC with a quote that I didn't ascribe to you personally is a little different than saying that there is no evidence of "the soul". It's better that you admit an unawareness to what "the soul" is, and use that to your advantage when trying to be better than someone on the subject. It does appear that you are hard for democrats, though. I'm inviting you to correct me on the subject by telling you how it appears.

What an utter waste of time for you to argue the word "soul" means something other than how I and the rest of the world use it, only for you to later admit that the soul has different definitions, and you also use the word the way I and the rest of the world use it. You should be embarrassed by your posts.

Me: Non-avian Dinosaurs are extinct.
You: Actually, when you consider the etymology of the word "dinosaur," it means "big lizard," so you actually don't believe non-avian dinosaurs are extinct.
Me: Yes, that is the etymology of the word "dinosaur," but it is not especially relevant to my comment nor the wildly popular usage of the word.

You: You should really take the etymology of the word "dinosaur" seriously.
Me: I do, but it's not particularly relevant in the context of this conversation. Do you not use the word "dinosaur" in the way I've used it?
You: Oh, well, yeah, I sometimes also use the word "dinosaur" the way you use it.

You appear to be arguing for the sake of arguing, and you're not doing a good job at it either. The word soul is popularly used to mean the intangible part of a human that lives on after death, and there's nothing controversial about how I used the word. The etymology of the word is wholely irrelevant to my post. Grow up.

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urherenow said:
You just contradicted yourself in a single post. Try again. (The video in the Youtube video, was not a week later). Still waiting on DNC...

I already responded to your post with the YouTube video, and I never said it was a week later. Did you not read my post?

With regard to Democrats, virtually every Democratic politician I am aware of condemned the riots. I'm not sure what your goal is here.

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urherenow said:
My bad. It wasn't in the article linked to in this thread. I have a habit of remembering things but not quite recalling where I remember them from. I was, of course, talking about Nixon. He was set for impeachment, and there was zero chance of NOT being both impeached AND convicted. But he resigned. And before the matter was pressed any farther to impeach him anyway, he was pardoned by Ford.

And the Russian meddling thing... no matter what you think about it, it was none of Trump's doing. Please let that ship sail already. What they DID do, is try to boost Trump's chances by releasing information that was damaging to the DNC. Yet all of you cry about Russian interference, as if knowing how shady the people you're voting for are, is a bad thing. It truly boggles my mind.
"U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia did not alter actual votes during the 2016 election."
https://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/

To say Trump is 100% responsible for the actions of others, would be to say that several members of the DNC are at least partially responsible for this: "However, the violence by early June 2020 had resulted in two deaths, 604 arrests, and upwards of $500 million in property damage to 1,500 locations, making it the second-most destructive period of local unrest in United States history, after the 1992 Los Angeles Riots" <-- a statement which has at least 8 different references, so I'll not waste my time posting them all here.

At any rate, the chances of conviction are very slim. Time that should be spent fixing the damn health care system, among other things. If you're betting on a conviction, you're a fool. (and that statement is in no way my endorsement of Trump. I do believe he accomplished a lot of good things. I also believe that he's an asshat.)

There was no counterintelligence investigation into Trump's relations with Russia.
The Trump campaign took a meeting with Russian officials about wanting to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.
Trump repeatedly rolled over on issues related to Russia, including but not limited to Russian election meddling and bounties on American soldiers.
Regardless of Trump's level of involvement, Russia objectively meddled in the 2016 election in a way that likely tipped the election in Trump's favor. That's a very serious issue, particularly when Trump and the Republicans have no interest in doing anything about it or preventing something like it in the future. That in itself is a very serious issue.
The violence at the Capitol 100% would not have happened if Trump had not falsely claimed the election was stolen from him, held a rally, gotten a permit for the Capitol, and instigated the riot on the Capitol. This was 100% Trump's fault. We all know before the election even happened that something like the Capitol riot was likely to happen if Trump lost. It's one of the few times in my life I didn't like saying "I told you so."

Acid_Snake · Feb 12, 2021

Lacius said:
With regard to Democrats, virtually every Democratic politician I am aware of condemned the riots. I'm not sure what your goal is here.

Can you back that claim? Cause all I can find on official Twitter accounts is democrats praising BLM when they were looting and burning entire cities, causing 2 billion dollars in damage.
Also, storming the capitol is unconstitutional, but so is proclaming the Independent Republic of Chad as democrats did during the BLM riots, and nobody from the democrat party ever condemned this.
It was only when these violent riots started getting close to the gated communities of democrat leaders that they actually started calling for the police to do something.
Also, there's no evidence of Russian meddling with the 2016 elections, but there is evidence Biden's son ties with Ukraine and China.

Plasmaster09 · Feb 12, 2021

Acid_Snake said:
Can you back that claim? Cause all I can find on official Twitter accounts is democrats praising BLM when they were looting and burning entire cities, causing 2 billion dollars in damage.
Also, storming the capitol is unconstitutional, but so is proclaming the Independent Republic of Chad as democrats did during the BLM riots, and nobody from the democrat party ever condemned this.
It was only when these violent riots started getting close to the gated communities of democrat leaders that they actually started calling for the police to do something.
Also, there's no evidence of Russian meddling with the 2016 elections, but there is evidence Biden's son ties with Ukraine and China.

uh what
this is a fucking mess
first off, unlike the Capitol riot, there actually is a meaningful difference between the BLM protests and the portions that turned sour (most notably that a decent amount of said sour violence was caused by either right-wing counter-protestors like Jake Angeli or police getting overzealous)
second off, what the hell does Chad have to do with anything?
third off, there absolutely is evidence of Russian meddling- but Hunter Biden's personal ties, due to not being Joe Biden and not being involved in his presidency directly, HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

Darth Meteos · Feb 12, 2021

urherenow said:
By the way, he did tell them to go home WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING

ah yes
"kids, you're beautiful, you're wonderful, you're my favorite, i love you very very much"
"but..." -sigh-
"you gotta go home, kids, this... this isn't working. just remember that i think you're the very best!"
"also remember that THE DEMOCRATS STOLE THE ELECTION FROM US AND DEMOCRACY IS DEAD FOREVER UNLESS YOU FIGHT BACK"
"love you!!!"

Acid_Snake said:
Can you back that claim? Cause all I can find on official Twitter accounts is democrats praising BLM when they were looting and burning entire cities, causing 2 billion dollars in damage.

they should praise blm
people are more valuable than property, the protests were against police murders
large-scale protests come with bad faith actors, but of the millions of people involved, only a minority did something

meanwhile a group of armed people breached the capitol building
this was the complete thrust of the event, to occupy the capitol
there wasn't a protest, and some assholes went and attacked the capitol, people were there specifically to subvert the election

you'd have to be pretty disingenuous (not to mention fucking stupid) to say that blm's goal was attacking local businesses and looting them

urherenow said:
Try again.

smf said:
Try again.

urherenow said:
Try again.

Lacius said:
Try again.

urherenow said:
Try again.

we're reaching levels of cringe thought impossible

Lacius · Feb 12, 2021

Acid_Snake said:
Can you back that claim? Cause all I can find on official Twitter accounts is democrats praising BLM when they were looting and burning entire cities, causing 2 billion dollars in damage.
Also, storming the capitol is unconstitutional, but so is proclaming the Independent Republic of Chad as democrats did during the BLM riots, and nobody from the democrat party ever condemned this.
It was only when these violent riots started getting close to the gated communities of democrat leaders that they actually started calling for the police to do something.
Also, there's no evidence of Russian meddling with the 2016 elections, but there is evidence Biden's son ties with Ukraine and China.

When I said riots, I was referring to the Capitol riots.

Russia demonstrably meddled in the 2016 election to help Trump and hurt Clinton.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

There is no evidence Hunter Biden did anything improper with China or Ukraine, and considering he is not Joe Biden, it wouldn't matter much if there were.

BLM and the Capitol riots are not comparable. One is a peaceful protest movement against systemic racism with no instigation whatsoever for violence. The other is the result of a coordinated effort to use lies of fraud to try to forcibly steal the election and attack democracy.

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Darth Meteos said:
ah yes
"kids, you're beautiful, you're wonderful, you're my favorite, i love you very very much"
"but..." -sigh-
"you gotta go home, kids, this... this isn't working. just remember that i think you're the very best!"
"also remember that THE DEMOCRATS STOLE THE ELECTION FROM US AND DEMOCRACY IS DEAD FOREVER UNLESS YOU FIGHT BACK"
"love you!!!"

they should praise blm
people are more valuable than property, the protests were against police murders
large-scale protests come with bad faith actors, but of the millions of people involved, only a minority did something

meanwhile a group of armed people breached the capitol building
this was the complete thrust of the event, to occupy the capitol
there wasn't a protest, and some assholes went and attacked the capitol, people were there specifically to subvert the election

you'd have to be pretty disingenuous (not to mention fucking stupid) to say that blm's goal was attacking local businesses and looting them

we're reaching levels of cringe thought impossible

One would be forgiven for mistakenly thinking that, from the try again's, I actually got them the try harder.

Foxi4 · Feb 12, 2021

Anyone not watching the hearings today should probably tune in before they're re-hosted on porn sites under the BDSM category because Democrats are getting slapped so hard that it's going to leave marks. Funny how the President's remarks change meaning when you listen to the full clips instead of cherry-picked segments.

IncredulousP · Feb 12, 2021

Foxi4 said:
Anyone not watching the hearings today should probably tune in before they're re-hosted on porn sites under the BDSM category because Democrats are getting slapped so hard that it's going to leave marks. Funny how the President's remarks change meaning when you listen to the full clips instead of cherry-picked segments.

Oof. That's really all I have to say.

Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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