Man arrested in Japan for selling hacked Shiny Pokemon

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While it's common to hear about the police or Nintendo itself going after hackers selling modified consoles, it's a bit more out of the ordinary for them to target someone hacking game files. In Japan, and as of a fairly recent law passing in 2019, editing video game save files is an illegal act, which is why a 23-year-old was arrested for doing so. The man had been "illegally" modifying his save data in order to obtain rare Shiny Pokemon, and then selling them. He managed to make over 1.15 million yen, or around $10,000 dollars by selling shinies to customers, being finally caught after he sold a Shiny Sobble to someone for $41 dollars. Arrested in Nagoya City, Japan, the suspect admitted his guilt, claiming he had been editing save files and profiting from it since November 2020.

:arrow: Source: Asahi News - Translation Courtesy of Serebii
 

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I read a few articles about that law, it's not a law about modifying data per se, it's a modification of their law about unfair competition, because apparently before that it didn't include anything about data modifications. It looks like it's intent is to target device or software hack/cracking and the offering or distribution (I insist on that point because it means that the illegal part is not using or creating it, it's sharing it) of tools to modify data that could potentially be used to help hack/crack something. And like always they put everything in the same basket, but the problem here is not really the data modification, it's the offering part. But since it doesn't really have little to do with the base concept of unfair competition, I really wonder how and if he'll get punished.
You hit the nail on the head here. They want to go after the software in question used to hack the Pokemon into the games. Since Pokemon has a large player base that plays in tournaments and just in general online. I think they do not have a way to tell if the creature was hacked into the game so that would be a big reason for something like this lawsuit However a much bigger problem comes from this,

Lets say they start going after the ones that make other cheat devices like Codejuinkies or others then they will argue that it falls under their law and then you may see that Codejunkies will have to cease makeing and selling the software or play a massive fine that they will not be able to afford. However since the software in question is not made in Japan they may not go after it as the laws are different in other countries(thank fuck) thus they would lose the case and just waste a load of money for nothing.


As an example of the law in the U.S.A years ago a company named Xploder made a cheat software that let users share their save data and make cheats for the Xbox 360. In summary Microsoft sued and won and they had to stop making the sofware or make it so you could only share saves(i dont recall as its been 10 plus years since it hapened)

Though since the person in this lawsuit was makeing money of said software, probably because there are official tournaments for Pokemon and because of the Jap law conserning this stuff he was sued. I think it is crap to be fair.
 
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but do the sellers live in Japan is the question

Their Copyright isn't protected overseas? If that's so, then people should go living on a place where their Copyright hold doesn't stand and make profit. Like China, México, Brazil, Venezuela, and a very long etc.. (No offense meant).
 

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"While it's common to hear about the police or Nintendo itself going after hackers selling modified consoles"
Is it really?
It is common to see police and Nintendo spearheading a raid on someone selling ROMs, maybe just using modded consoles to get some customers. They try to downplay the ROMs aspect in press statements but that is a different matter.

Anyway boo stupid law, and here I thought Japan was cool.

What country isn't cucked in current year?
That Poland free speech law thing seemed pretty interesting.


I didn't see Nintendo mentioned in this, he broke Japanese law and Nintendo didn't arrest him.
Nintendo has no right of arrest but I very much doubt the Japanese computer police has time enough to be going after people like this off their own back. To that end I would bet everything on Nintendo having had a word in someone's ear or filed a formal complaint.

Ludicrous but hey the guy was selling it so he got what he deserved.
He deserved an arrest and potentially fine or jail as opposed to being kicked off a game playing service?
Bit harsh don't you think?

Their Copyright isn't protected overseas? If that's so, then people should go living on a place where their Copyright hold doesn't stand and make profit. Like China, México, Brazil, Venezuela, and a very long etc.. (No offense meant).
Their copyright might* be but the law that caused this/allows this likely does not travel far. For instance out walking I crossed the road at something that was not a designated stopping/crossing point the other day, indeed do it most days I go out. No such thing as jaywalking here and indeed most would probably think it a myth or if they got a ticket for it in the US when visiting would likely frame it as an amusing novelty. Same idea.

*most countries are signatories to the Berne convention ( https://copyrighthouse.org/countries-berne-convention/ ) which means basic copyright is reciprocated, more advanced stuff might need individual registration in that country. Even those handful that are not still mostly operate under WTO rules.
There are places where "hahahaha" is the response to thinking about filing a lawsuit, either through inaction on the part of the courts or general indifference, that is at least until you pirate the works of a local content making outfit.
The places where it does apply at all and you might want to live are rather more limited
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...pyrights-in-retaliation-for-online-gaming-ban
 

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fucking hate nintendo how they can make up laws so they can claim millions in damages.

they should fucking focus on making good fucking consoles and games the lazy fucks.

anyone remember not that long ago you could walk into any game retail store and buy cheat products that would give you features like this.

yet all of a sudden nintendo now are demanding its illegal.
 
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fucking hate nintendo how they can make up laws so they can claim millions in damages.

they should fucking focus on making good fucking consoles and games the lazy fucks.

anyone remember not that long ago you could walk into any game retail store and buy cheat products that would give you features like this.

yet all of a sudden nintendo now are demanding its illegal.

The law was already on the books and fairly plain in text from what we can see (even if all encompassing and awful for those that would go with "my device, my rules" as their approach to the world). Nintendo did not make it up or contrive it from a series of unrelated rulings. Though as mentioned above I doubt whatever passes for Japanese cyber police were bored enough to trawl Japanese tat merchants to find this guy of their own volition and were probably pointed at him by Nintendo so not exactly an innocent party in this.
If you have something showing Nintendo or their agents (including any industry bodies) were pushing hard for such laws to come into effect I am quite interested to hear of it. Indeed I will assume pending evidence to the contrary that whatever the Japanese equivalent of the ESA was creaming their jeans over the notion of it and only wish it could have been harsher (summary execution and your family are now our slaves, also your descendants now designated burakumin, perhaps).
 
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He deserved an arrest and potentially fine or jail as opposed to being kicked off a game playing service?
Bit harsh don't you think?

Look i get how it might be a bit over the top but once you start involving money especially for your own monetary gain (Seriously why would you even sell hacked mons? That's just down right selfish) You bet your behind that there will be some sort of legal action, especially when it pertains to nintendo.
 

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Wow. I never thought I would see the day when someone got arrested for selling hacked Pokemon on the black market.
Although this law is completely ridiculous, it serves him right, since he was profiting from it, taking advantage of people gullible and desperate enough to pay for something like that.
like, if it was 5 bucks, then yeah OK, but $41! that's as ridiculous as the law!!!
 
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Look i get how it might be a bit over the top but once you start involving money especially for your own monetary gain (Seriously why would you even sell hacked mons? That's just down right selfish) You bet your behind that there will be some sort of legal action, especially when it pertains to nintendo.

Money makes lawyers perk up (getting a piece of paper saying you won a case against me means far less than when I fork over some money, which if I have none is never going to happen) but I am not seeing it as a massively aggravating factor here and why it should result in arrests, fines and whatnot. Are Nintendo or the parties involved so massively harmed by all this that someone needs to pay?

"Seriously why would you even sell hacked mons? That's just down right selfish"
I would not pay for such things but if someone wants one and has money to burn like they might on pointless costumes and microtransactions then eh.
As far as selfish... not getting it. How in any way is such a thing selfish?
 
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Their Copyright isn't protected overseas? If that's so, then people should go living on a place where their Copyright hold doesn't stand and make profit. Like China, México, Brazil, Venezuela, and a very long etc.. (No offense meant).
the guy got hammered more for selling hacked mon (probably used pkhex) modifying any code is illegal in japan (I don't even think they believe in open source code) as i pointed out as well repairing your own consoles (even w/o intent to mod) is illegal in Japan possible Jail time too
 

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While it's common to hear about the police or Nintendo itself going after hackers selling modified consoles, it's a bit more out of the ordinary for them to target someone hacking game files. In Japan, and as of a fairly recent law passing in 2019, editing video game save files is an illegal act, which is why a 23-year-old was arrested for doing so. The man had been "illegally" modifying his save data in order to obtain rare Shiny Pokemon, and then selling them. He managed to make over 1.15 million yen, or around $10,000 dollars by selling shinies to customers, being finally caught after he sold a Shiny Sobble to someone for $41 dollars. Arrested in Nagoya City, Japan, the suspect admitted his guilt, claiming he had been editing save files and profiting from it since November 2020.

:arrow: Source: Asahi News - Translation Courtesy of Serebii
Why the hell is it a law not to edit game save data, will it hurt businesses or cause people to die. Doesn't hurt the government, people or companies
 
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also found a list of things illegal under that specific law fyi:

Rom Hacks are Illegal
Translation patches are Illegal
Emulators are Illegal
Third-party repair is Illegal
All Hardware Modifications which includes Installing a Capture Card is Illegal
all forms of Data Manipulation which includes Jail Breaking, Cyber Security Breaching. Save editing in Phones Online Games Consoles etc is Illegal
Japan really crossed the line (for me) with third party repair being illegal
I am not going there now
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Why the hell is it a law not to edit game save data, will it hurt businesses or cause people to die. Doesn't hurt the government, people or companies
they can kiss the pokemon vgc's title goodbye as it's rittled with cheaters (and most don't get caught it's so rampent) no wonder Japan never got first place since the law's enactment only hope for them s to host it always in japan but that would raise concern with the international community when they watch as truck loads of cheaters get sent to prison
 

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