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German quarantine breakers to be held in refugee camps, detention centers
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As most people that are spreading it don't ever feel ill, then waiting until you feel ill seems quite irrational.
What you learn at school is pretty irrelevant for most jobs, it's just used to weed out the stupid or lazy ones. All it means is they will have to find a different method for a couple of years.
It's not that nobody cares, but it's like saying you should be allowed to shoot people otherwise you'll get depressed so why won't they just let you shoot people? It's all the conspiracy theories that are causing all of the mental health difficulties.
Prison is a lot worse, you can't zoom your friends all day.
I'm not sure how that is relevant to why you shouldn't wear a mask.
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Let's see what Richard Wolff, a well accredited Marxist economist has to say about your hokey definition.
edit: nvm it seems that I have been beaten to the punch
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socialism isn't marxism. I don't think he is saying what you think he is, or what my point was, or both.
Maybe watch the full video, rather than out of context quotes?
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Marxism is a dialectical framework for critiquing Capitalism that was created by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, this dialectical critique was what laid the framework for what Marx and Engles call Socialism in the Communist Manifesto. In addition, the Second International (also known as the Socialist International) was founded on Marxist principles with Engles as president.
Are all forms of Socialism Marxist? No. There are many different varieties of Socialism created by many different theorists, but most contemporary forms of Socialism can find their roots in Marx and Engel's theory. Any Socialist worth their salt has read at least a bit of Marx's work.
Is all Marxism Socialist? Yes, this is non-disputable.
I mean if you want to get into the specifics, Marxism is an ideological framework of socioeconomic analysis while Socialism is a theory of socioeconomic organization, so technically if we were splitting hairs you could say Marxism isn't Socialism. However, Socialism as we know it was (more or less) entirely conceptualized and invented by Marx and Engels through their theory of Marxism. This distinction is pretty unnecessary.
Also, the video is a joke. Richard Wolff is one of the premier economists in modern Socialism, he is clearly making a joke. I don't actually disagree with your definition of Socialism.
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He isn't joking, he is saying what some people think socialism is. The way the video is carefully cut is made to make it look like it is what socialism is. I don't understand why you would post it again and call my definition hokey, if you don't disagree with it.
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Well you could have just... clicked on the video to see that the man in it is Richard Wolff, then with a quick google search and a basic understanding of Socialism you could easily find that he is joking. Plus the music in the video kind of gives away that it's a joke anyway. Also, the first pinned comment on the video states "Richard Wolff doesn't actually believe this lol, he's describing a common strawman of socialism."
Because you were being very serious about something that was a joke and I thought it would be funny to mess with you.
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That's an understatement. Pretty much every government dropped the ball pretty damn hard, except for a few. New Zealand and Taiwan are the only ones that I can think of did a good job.
He isn't joking. He's explaining what people think, do you understand what joking is?
So everything with music is a joke?
You make yourself look like an idiot for fun?
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He was... parodying common right-wing strawmans of what Socialism is by saying something obviously incorrect and using exaggerated movements in a funny way with music commonly employed in memes playing while he speaks. One might also call this satire, which is a type of humor that is typically employed in jokes such as the one Richard Wolff makes. I'm not sure why this needs to be explained.
Yes. I find it to be a bundle of laughs.
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WARNING: New York POST is a piece of shit owned by Fox News parent company News Corp. Fox News was LEFT OUT of the Disney deal, Disney does NOT own Fox News or the New York Shitrag.
It's very easy to get confused about the NY POST/TIMES vs the Washington TIMES vs POST. IT IS DESIGNED TO BE THIS WAY. Anyone can be confused by that dumbass shell game, even me, someone incredibly wary of this. NEVER trust this shitrag.
It's very easy to get confused about the NY POST/TIMES vs the Washington TIMES vs POST. IT IS DESIGNED TO BE THIS WAY. Anyone can be confused by that dumbass shell game, even me, someone incredibly wary of this. NEVER trust this shitrag.
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Socialism, Marxism, Communism, Fascism, and any other mixture can all be debated on their differences, but they all have one thing in common: they go against our right to life, to own property, and to engage in the pursuit of happiness when put into actual practice in the real world.
Sure, Karl Marx said that everything is supposed to work towards a Utopia in Communism after the Socialism step in the Capitalism-Communism transition is complete, but that assumes that the people or person making the decisions at the top have people's best interests' in mind, and as someone who worked at a Walmart stocking Clorox wipes and the toilet paper, one can see that human nature tends towards self-preservation and the maintaining of said self-preservation. People, when presented with an accurate picture of the definitive facts about COVID at this point, and if given the choice without the enforcement at the end of a gun barrel to wear a mask or not to "protect others," they would say fuck that shit, and tell those who are legitimately worried about dying from the virus to stay at home, maybe move in with their parents and/or friends, and problem solved without others' liberty being infringed. A non-government solution to a problem.
But when the government gets involved, they start legislating morality, regardless of the peoples' wishes. Believe it or not, but a lot of people in the US just want to get along with others, go back to the actual normal, and be free to enjoy things that, admittedly, I think a lot of people took for granted until Biden became president. (By the way, how do you think biological women who enjoyed competing in women's sports are liking Biden's order about trans-athletes being able to compete in women's sports? So much for feminism!)
The United States imprisoned Japanese people who were living here during WWII. You think they wouldn't do that to people who, in the view of the Democrat-majority in all three branches of government are now classified as terrorists because they want to simply live life, own the property that they rightfully worked hard and paid the price for, and pursue happiness in life? Imagine if you, for whatever reason, have family that you cherish dearly, and suddenly, because they decide to go against the government, they arrest not only them, but you yourself because of guilt by association, all so the people/person at the top can maintain total control? That's what happened in the USSR, and is still happening to this day in China, North Korea, Iran, and clearly is happening again in Germany!
It's easy in the US to see stuff like the Holocaust and go, "that would never happen here," "I would've gone against the Nazi leadership," "I would've tried to get the Jews out of the camps," "that wasn't real Marxism/Communism/Socialism," and a whole bunch of other things that, without a proper understanding of the context of the methods of Hitler's rise to power alongside that of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and a study in world history of governments that have all gone through this phase of taxing the people and depriving them of their rights and the same usual outline of how these governments and societies eventually fall, one will make these assumptions because it all happened before they were born, and the society they were born in was already prosperous, with food, water, electricity, well maintained public utilities (even the restrooms at Walmart, neglected as they are, are a whole world better than what the rest of the world is forced to deal with), and an assumption that things must have always been this way, and that nations can survive hard times like what we're going through right now that are about to get much worse.
Sure, Karl Marx said that everything is supposed to work towards a Utopia in Communism after the Socialism step in the Capitalism-Communism transition is complete, but that assumes that the people or person making the decisions at the top have people's best interests' in mind, and as someone who worked at a Walmart stocking Clorox wipes and the toilet paper, one can see that human nature tends towards self-preservation and the maintaining of said self-preservation. People, when presented with an accurate picture of the definitive facts about COVID at this point, and if given the choice without the enforcement at the end of a gun barrel to wear a mask or not to "protect others," they would say fuck that shit, and tell those who are legitimately worried about dying from the virus to stay at home, maybe move in with their parents and/or friends, and problem solved without others' liberty being infringed. A non-government solution to a problem.
But when the government gets involved, they start legislating morality, regardless of the peoples' wishes. Believe it or not, but a lot of people in the US just want to get along with others, go back to the actual normal, and be free to enjoy things that, admittedly, I think a lot of people took for granted until Biden became president. (By the way, how do you think biological women who enjoyed competing in women's sports are liking Biden's order about trans-athletes being able to compete in women's sports? So much for feminism!)
The United States imprisoned Japanese people who were living here during WWII. You think they wouldn't do that to people who, in the view of the Democrat-majority in all three branches of government are now classified as terrorists because they want to simply live life, own the property that they rightfully worked hard and paid the price for, and pursue happiness in life? Imagine if you, for whatever reason, have family that you cherish dearly, and suddenly, because they decide to go against the government, they arrest not only them, but you yourself because of guilt by association, all so the people/person at the top can maintain total control? That's what happened in the USSR, and is still happening to this day in China, North Korea, Iran, and clearly is happening again in Germany!
It's easy in the US to see stuff like the Holocaust and go, "that would never happen here," "I would've gone against the Nazi leadership," "I would've tried to get the Jews out of the camps," "that wasn't real Marxism/Communism/Socialism," and a whole bunch of other things that, without a proper understanding of the context of the methods of Hitler's rise to power alongside that of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and a study in world history of governments that have all gone through this phase of taxing the people and depriving them of their rights and the same usual outline of how these governments and societies eventually fall, one will make these assumptions because it all happened before they were born, and the society they were born in was already prosperous, with food, water, electricity, well maintained public utilities (even the restrooms at Walmart, neglected as they are, are a whole world better than what the rest of the world is forced to deal with), and an assumption that things must have always been this way, and that nations can survive hard times like what we're going through right now that are about to get much worse.
Anyways......
We "Vacciation and Mask Refusers"are looking forward,for Easter in a "Camp".
Maybrit Illner (german TV talk format) - which is 'explain TV for the average of society' (slow, easy words, little context, and a moderator thats always on the hunt for the max socially accepted position -- i.e. TV for the dumb) explained yesterday - that experts follow a goal to try to push down the covid incidence to 50 cases a day -- because of uncertainty about the virus mutations.
Essentially:
- You've had lockdowns already
- Before we open up, lets see how low we can go (in daily new cases)
- To reduce risk factors later on
So in a sense this is a test how far you can repress it using compliance factors.
(Because the Astra Zeneca vaccine - might not work against two strains of mutations already in spreading.)
Background info: https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachri...st-der-Impfstoff-von-Astra-Zeneca-sicher.html (German)
edit: src: h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkkep6WMWnY
Essentially:
- You've had lockdowns already
- Before we open up, lets see how low we can go (in daily new cases)
- To reduce risk factors later on
So in a sense this is a test how far you can repress it using compliance factors.
(Because the Astra Zeneca vaccine - might not work against two strains of mutations already in spreading.)
Background info: https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachri...st-der-Impfstoff-von-Astra-Zeneca-sicher.html (German)
edit: src: h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkkep6WMWnY
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It's not. Either english is not your first language or you're doing that thing where you lie for fun.
I'm not sure which.
If you listen to the bit directly before the carefully edited video then he's actually talking about socialists who say or believe that is what socialism is & that they are wrong. He may be doing it in an animated way, but that does not make it a joke.
Nobody has managed to implement socialism & as he points out, america have an aversion to even discussing it because of brain washing.
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