The EU hits Valve, Capcom, Bethesda, more, with fines for "geo-blocking" game sales

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It's been two years since Steam implemented protections against customers spoofing their location to buy games from other countries' storefronts, as gamers tried to use currency conversions in order to get games for far cheaper than they normally would be in their home region. It's also been almost two years since the European Commission filed charges against Valve for doing so, as according to them, it prevented members of the European Union from being able to freely shop for the best available prices within any country inside the EU. Now, as result of that, the EU has hit them, along with five other video game publishers with major fines over "geo-blocking" customers. Valve, ZeniMax, Focus Home Interactive, Capcom, Koch Media, and Bandai Namco have been fined to the tune of € 7.8 million total. Valve, as they refused to cooperate with the Commission, was fined €1.6 million, while the other publishers had their fees decreased somewhat, as they worked alongside the Commission during the investigation. European publisher Focus Home was fined €2.9 million, ZeniMax--parent company of Bethesda--was fined $1.6 million, Koch was fined €1 million, while Capcom and Bandai Namco weren't fined as much, at €396,000 and €340,000 respectively.

Executive Vice-President Margrethe Vestager, in charge of competition policy, said: “More than 50% of all Europeans play video games. The videogame industry in Europe is thriving and it is now worth over € 17 billion. Today's sanctions against the “geo-blocking” practices of Valve and five PC video game publishers serve as a reminder that under EU competition law, companies are prohibited from contractually restricting cross-border sales. Such practices deprive European consumers of the benefits of the EU Digital Single Market and of the opportunity to shop around for the most suitable offer in the EU”.

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Apparently protecting consumer rights is lobyism?
I find these counterpoints to be entirely bad faith arguments to the entitlement of "I deserve muh cheaper games". Because that's what it boils down to. You are upset that people that live in a country with a lower standard of living are getting games sold to them at a seemingly cheaper price than what you can buy them for. It's got nothing to do with "I can't buy this game here because pappy Valve isn't selling it in my country (when they otherwise legally could)", because if that was the argument, I would actually be standing on your side and advocating for those consumer's rights. It's all about pricing and people who don't understand economics complaining that they are paying more than the beggar down the street for a luxury good.

It's farcically nonsensical and reeks of first world entitlement.
 

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I find these counterpoints to be entirely bad faith arguments to the entitlement of "I deserve muh cheaper games". Because that's what it boils down to. You are upset that people that live in a country with a lower standard of living are getting games sold to them at a seemingly cheaper price than what you can buy them for. It's got nothing to do with "I can't buy this game here because pappy Valve isn't selling it in my country (when they otherwise legally could)", because if that was the argument, I would actually be standing on your side and advocating for those consumer's rights. It's all about pricing and people who don't understand economics complaining that they are paying more than the beggar down the street for a luxury good.

It's farcically nonsensical and reeks of first world entitlement.
It's been ages since I have purchased a game at full price or even close to release for that matter. I get my games at a reasonable price in my local market (except for the ones I can not get in my local market at all). Its not about me deserving "Muh cheap games", it's about the participants of the market adhering to its rules and not pick and chose what rules to adhere to.
Microsoft can follow the rules, Sony can follow the rules, even Nintendo can but Valve suddenly should be excempt from the rule? Why? And prices will suddenly skyrocket? Why isn't that happening on playstation, xbox or switch?
 
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So it's good that Valve is preventing the EU costumer to buy his games for a cheaper price as he is authorized by law? Yeah bad EU, bad...
what Valve did is prevent people from using a cheaper price they don't need, above Poland was mentioned as an example, Polish people may only be able to afford the CP2077 at 43 euro, people from other countries have the means to pay 60, it's like complaining government wont give you retirement funds because you are 40
 
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I find these counterpoints to be entirely bad faith arguments to the entitlement of "I deserve muh cheaper games". Because that's what it boils down to. You are upset that people that live in a country with a lower standard of living are getting games sold to them at a seemingly cheaper price than what you can buy them for. It's got nothing to do with "I can't buy this game here because pappy Valve isn't selling it in my country (when they otherwise legally could)", because if that was the argument, I would actually be standing on your side and advocating for those consumer's rights. It's all about pricing and people who don't understand economics complaining that they are paying more than the beggar down the street for a luxury good.

It's farcically nonsensical and reeks of first world entitlement.
what Valve did is prevent people from using a cheaper price they don't need, above Poland was mentioned as an example, Polish people may only be able to afford the CP2077 at 43 euro, people from other countries have the means to pay 60, it's like complaining government wont give you retirement funds because you are 40
You're both missing the point.
That's the law. It has nothing to do with entitlement or other fallacies that you can keep to yourselves. Should the EU have left those companies go against the law?
 

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You're both missing the point.
That's the law. It has nothing to do with entitlement or other fallacies that you can keep to yourselves. Should the EU have left those companies go against the law?
Sure, it's the law, it's not a very good one as it pertains to digital goods. Hence my post on the first page:
This is a pretty big double edged sword that the EU is throwing around.
They're following the laws they've set out, but they're also screwing a pro-consumer division too. They've every right to do it, but it's shortsighted. Instead of fixing the law to make sense, they are just using it as a whacking stick instead.

In the US we've had this law called Civil Forfeiture. It's basically a state stealing your shit. Sure, it's a law, but fuck them if they ever try to use it on me. The defense of "but it's a law dude" is weak in the face of actual practice. Laws don't dictate what is proper, they dictate what is improper, and when something breaks, you need to fix it, not just stubbornly insist that things are fine the way they are.
 

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Instead of fixing the law to make sense, they are just using it as a whacking stick instead.

What would a sensible law look like?

"We the European Union, a body set up to promote free trade among its members and break down restrictions of the past that caused so much drama and trauma, decide that in the case of countries with lower average salary to exempt sellers of downloadable games from the rules that discourage restrictions of trade. In doing so we hope that within those regions of our otherwise free trade zone that developers and publishers of computer games delivered via downloadable means continue to sell cheap copies of games to the residents (and only those residents if the companies so deem it) there."
 

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Sure, it's the law, it's not a very good one as it pertains to digital goods. Hence my post on the first page:

They're following the laws they've set out, but they're also screwing a pro-consumer division too. They've every right to do it, but it's shortsighted. Instead of fixing the law to make sense, they are just using it as a whacking stick instead.
they jsut want steam and other publishers to stop the blocking og the region spoof, they arent asking for steam to put a button on top of the website saying click here to change region and get a cheaper game...

most people wont even know how to use vpn or even that a game is cheaper on a said country, so in the overal of everything im preety sure devs wouldn't loose much at all if any, since very few users would go to the trouble of setting vpns and searching websites to save like 1 or 2 euros most of the time.
 
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This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any of that. You need to learn a little bit more about what the EU is (it is great, unlike was the asshat who responded first said, and the UK was very, very dumb to have left the EU like Putin wanted them to) and what these companies were being fined for.
Yes, it is indeed very complicated a thing, the EU. However, there are REAL problems with it, a couple of them being censorship of internet sites in at least some member nations that are deemed to be ""hateful"" or ""full of misinformation"", (because yeah, blocking websites means you are in the moral and principally valid camp! NOT!) and the at times controversial CAP in regards to farmers and related workers in agricultural field, among other things.
Oh, and
>Putin said positive things about Brexit, therefore bad
>implying that by supporting Brexit means you must also like Putin
I beg to differ, dear :shit: head! The EU may have done good here and there in the short term and maybe also the mid-term, but those who run it don't actually care for the citizens of the member nations by much, if at all. Oh, and banning firearms from being used by most, if not all, military personnel and banning chokeholds (like in France) will TOTALLY reduce crime in the long run and make society more tolerant!! LOL NO.:rofl2::rofl:
 
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i live in canada and i can't gift any of my friends anything because cad is such a trash currency and steam says there's too much of a price difference, so i'm all for this stupid bs getting shut down
CAD is about 75 cents in USD, it's a pretty straightforward conversion a lot of the time. I.E. 60 USD is 75-80 CAD
 
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CAD is about 75 cents in USD, it's a pretty straightforward conversion a lot of the time. I.E. 60 USD is 75-80 CAD
that wasn't my point, steam straight up blocks me from gifting games because of the more than 10% price difference

and it's not just for usd, it's for euros and gbp too
 
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If only they would do something about the eu =usd bs. I know it's up to the publishers but the eu may aswell could outlaw such bs on digital stores fronts.
 

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Steam is just probably going to make it possible but not convenient to buy from foreign stores. As long as the use can do it, they can legally make it as little convenient as possible, maybe with active downsides (for example, Nintendo's downside is you need a different account for every region you want to purchase from)
 

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isnt that what netflix does?

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EU - the greatest Pile of :shit:

But ok,we are "all in" actual.....
you wouldnt like to get your game for cheaper knowing that in neighbouring country its on sale?
i dont see why games cant be cheaper globally not region locked...

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You obviously have no idea what this article is about...
do you want likes or to be smartass? if you actually want to talk youd explain what its about instead being an ass.
 

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isnt that what netflix does?

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you wouldnt like to get your game for cheaper knowing that in neighbouring country its on sale?
i dont see why games cant be cheaper globally not region locked...

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do you want likes or to be smartass? if you actually want to talk youd explain what its about instead being an ass.
netflix doesnt block vpn, if you use vpn to spoof a country you can see that country stuff just fine.
 

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If only they would do something about the eu =usd bs. I know it's up to the publishers but the eu may aswell could outlaw such bs on digital stores fronts.
That would actually be an encroachment on the rights of devs/pubs though. If there was an allegation of price fixing as an industry (given we can buy games for next to nothing then that is a hard sell) then they might be able to do something but simply pegging a price or not wanting to figure out conversion rates and deal with swings either way there.
 

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That would actually be an encroachment on the rights of devs/pubs though. If there was an allegation of price fixing as an industry (given we can buy games for next to nothing then that is a hard sell) then they might be able to do something but simply pegging a price or not wanting to figure out conversion rates and deal with swings either way there.
To bad steam and go don't automatically convert the currency based on any semi static exchange rate... If you don't disable it as a Greed dev that is.
 

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