Between Trump and Rudy, the protesters at least thought they did & so did a lot of people watching on TV.
If Trump and Rudy didn't mean for it to happen then they are even dumber than anyone has ever accused them of being.
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Between Trump and Rudy, the protesters at least thought they did & so did a lot of people watching on TV.
If Trump and Rudy didn't mean for it to happen then they are even dumber than anyone has ever accused them of being.
I'm not comparing the BLM Marches to trumps minion March (I like that term may use it more lol) I'm comparing the riots that happened around the mostly peaceful protests. But thanks for sort of calling me racist and half way proving my point. BTW it isn't my fault if you can't distinguish between the totally legal (and justified) BLM March's and the unnecessary rioting and killing that followed (aka the reason the news called it and I quote "mostly peaceful.")
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The problem I have with your line of thinking is that Trump supporters, all +/- 75 million people who voted for him, are expected to take ownership of a small group of crazies who stormed the Capitol whereas there is no expectation of owning the violent rioters who demolished American cities on the other side - those events were "instigated by the police and far-right agitators" or some such nonsense. I'm sure some were, we both know the majority wasn't, and even if they were, saying that strips the rioters of any semblance of free will. They burned down Targets because someone told them to - okay.
..whoa ..you smell that .....?
...smells ....smells like Impeachment..
.@senatemajldr on the U.S. Capitol Attack: "The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people." pic.twitter.com/QIeviyHkl3
— CSPAN (@cspan) January 19, 2021
...smells ....smells like Impeachment..
WTF are you going on about?
Trump and his crazies are the people who should be prosecuted, if you weren't inciting violence then I don't care if someone is dumb enough to be one of the 75 million people who support him.
Which is exactly what I am saying about the BLM marches, if you set fire to something, stole something or killed someone then sure they should be prosecuted.
This shit talk about sides being responsible is just so childish.
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I was talking more about equating the Trump rioters with the movement overall while extricating BLM rioters from theirs, but sure, both should be prosecuted. I also don't think Trump incited anything in his speech, but that's besides the point, people hear what they want to hear.
Nobody is doing that. I'm sure out of all the Trump supporters, some of them are nice people but I'm only holding the rioters and those who stoked the riots responsible for the riots.
There is a moral responsibility for those who were too scared to attend the riot, but liked the feeling of power by spreading information on social media that they knew to be false.
But in general I only hold Trump supporters responsible for supporting Trump, which is pretty unredeemable in itself.
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Wow, I never knew how easy it was to strike down a man made of straw until you showed me how
You know that on both sides of every war, each side thought they were the good guys.
It's not enough to hope or try. You have to endlessly question yourself, which right wingers think makes you look weak so they never do it. But that compounds every mistake into a bigger one.
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I mean
as a meme, it's often attributed to a certain personality combined with a certain ethnic stereotype
but when used to describe someone, it's generally just the personality (that kind of ultra-entitled "I matter more than you" bs) and the context (usually something like being an asshole to the personnel of some store)
to be fair, we have actual evidence of right-wing counter-protestors fucking up BLM protests
like those pics of Jake Angeli/"Q Shaman" at a BLM rally holding a "Q Sent Me" sign- ya know, the ones people deliberately miscropped so that they could blame the Capitol riot on Democrats
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Just you wait until I start hacking at windmills, now that's a hoot! Jokes aside, I'm simply responding to the sentiment I often see online, not necessarily his sentiment specifically, and I think we found some common ground in the end, so I can't complain.
I would describe that process as "trying" - less wordy, and conveys the same message.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was at some of those protests in earnest considering he was a common sight at many protests, particularly pertaining the environment. He's a radical climate change activist, and seems to be a fan of protests in general, whatever the cause.
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- Trump was never impeached for anything related to Russia.
- Wikipedia is not biased. You are confusing standards of evidence for bias.
- It's inexcusable and anti-democratic to say Russia "hopefully" meddled in the 2016 election. In addition, we have irrefutable evidence that Russia meddled in the 2016 election in ways other than, and more substantive than, "Facebook ads."
Alright then. It still feels like a bit of a copout but ok, this isn't my battle.
I'm not sure that someone who is nice would support Trump, because of all the pussy grabbing and the deceitful business practices. You have to really step so close to the line between nice and douche bag to support him, that one little slip and you're no longer nice.
conflicted republicans, well they have their cross to bare now.
but supporting him, that is kinda on a path to not being very nice at all.
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this looks alike a lovely grandma who would offer a cookie to pedestrian, did she really bring a pistol to The Capitol and the chck point still let her in?! wtf in US?
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this is known and disproven, which you can find out by scrolling down a little past the quote
https://percolately.com/capitol-meemaw-not-at-riot/
she was at an entirely different demonstration in kansas, one that was actually orderly, peaceful and legal to boot
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The use of the song was pretty obvious to me. Trump was saying that allowing illegal immigration to take place and looking the other way instead of dedicating serious resources to securing the border has foreseeable negative consequences, like a "snake coming back to bite you". He could've picked a better song or poem to convey the same idea, but I get the meaning he was trying to put across. Illegal immigration isn't a positive phenomenon, newsflash - it's illegal. Shocking opinion, I know. As Trump often mentioned on those very same rallies, a "big, beautiful wall" can only function if it also has "big gates" for those who wish to migrate legally. Securing the border, coupled with immigration reform, is a pretty good campaign slogan - we know this since he won that time. I'll take the bitter to get to the sweet in this instance. The situation at the southern border has been a humanitarian crisis for years, and not five minutes ago in historical terms it was the Democrats who were building physical barriers there - walls and fences "stopped working" circa 2016 when Trump started advocating that they're a good idea.
You can't assume correlation between those two things, it's perfectly possible for something to be objectively positive but still be illegal. All you have to do is pass a law.
Why would someone pass a law against something objectively positive? Because they are prejudiced.
The poem is more relevant about Trumps behavior than most immigrants, who only come to work so they can feed their families. For a nation of immigrants & I don't see any visas granted by the native americans, it's kinda rich.
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