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Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

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First off, the guy you accused of bias is so aggressively centrist that it honestly pisses me off a little (though I won't bother clashing with him on this because we're too busy fighting the common foe that is misinformation)- so he was quite possibly one of the worst people to try to No True Scotsman out of the argument. (So calling someone a "Trumptard" for spouting election misinformation is too biased to make a valid point, but calling someone a libtard- because I bet there's a good 90% chance you've done that at least once- for fact-checking said misinformation... isn't?) It's a transparent fallacious attempt to cry "BIASED!" so that you don't have to actually prove your point, and we all know it. (Also, I may not like its use either, but "Trumptard" is a term generally used exclusively to those stupid enough to cry foul on the election- similar to "voteflake"- so it provides its own descriptor.)
Secondly... hate speech does actually have a definition. According to Cambridge, hate speech is "public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation". Context matters, but the anecdotal example you gave was a result of people not knowing said context. The stuff Trump and his supporters have said... is NOT a result of improper contextualization, and is just a result of them being bigots. All the bans being dished out to major Trumpers and accounts tied to QAnon isn't some Orwellian "Big Brother decides what you're allowed to say" situation, it's the equivalent of being forcibly removed from a store because you were screaming obscenities and pissing on items as well as other customers.
Get out of here with your elementary-school-level arguments, and come back when you can provide hard evidence instead of throwing fallacies around at random trying to "disqualify" people from the discussion.

Now define racism. Sorry I'll leave, didn't realise I wasn't allowed to debate, you're the boss.
 

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Now define racism. Sorry I'll leave, didn't realise I wasn't allowed to debate, you're the boss.
Oh, you're allowed to debate. Just debate properly.
Also, according to Oxford Languages, racism is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." Not really that hard to understand.
 

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well now things are getting even scarier according to prosecutors there intent was clear it wasn't just to storm the capital it was to kill elected officals, can we charge these bastards with treason now? maybe expedite the death penalty convictions to make sure trump doesn't pardon?
 
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First off, the guy you accused of bias is so aggressively centrist that it honestly pisses me off a little (though I won't bother clashing with him on this because we're too busy fighting the common foe that is misinformation)- so he was quite possibly one of the worst people to try to No True Scotsman out of the argument. (So calling someone a "Trumptard" for spouting election misinformation is too biased to make a valid point, but calling someone a libtard- because I bet there's a good 90% chance you've done that at least once- for fact-checking said misinformation... isn't?) It's a transparent fallacious attempt to cry "BIASED!" so that you don't have to actually prove your point, and we all know it. (Also, I may not like its use either, but "Trumptard" is a term generally used exclusively to those stupid enough to cry foul on the election- similar to "voteflake"- so it provides its own descriptor.)
Secondly... hate speech does actually have a definition. According to Cambridge, hate speech is "public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation". Context matters, but the anecdotal example you gave was a result of people not knowing said context. The stuff Trump and his supporters have said... is NOT a result of improper contextualization, and is just a result of them being bigots. All the bans being dished out to major Trumpers and accounts tied to QAnon isn't some Orwellian "Big Brother decides what you're allowed to say" situation, it's the equivalent of being forcibly removed from a store because you were screaming obscenities and pissing on items as well as other customers.
Get out of here with your elementary-school-level arguments, and come back when you can provide hard evidence instead of throwing fallacies around at random trying to "disqualify" people from the discussion.
It's funny that he has a problem with the term 'Trumptard' when you just know these are the kind of people that called others 'libtards' and 'snowflakes' back when it was cool to troll Hillary supporters; I believe this guy has even called someone a libtard on this thread. Now that the tables are turned and Trumptards are getting memed, it's suddenly not ok to insult Trump supporters and is indicative of bias. I find it absolutely hilarious; go back and look through half of the Trumptards' arguments. If you simply replace 'Trump' with 'Hillary', 'Democrat' with 'Republican' and 'Election Rigging' with 'Russia', it's identical to the kind of arguments that these same people would have memed Hillary apologists for back in 2016-17. The lack of self-awareness in these people is astounding.

Calling somebody a Trumptard despite knowing absolutely nothing about them makes you bias
Take this one for example. If a Hillary apologist said:

"Calling somebody a Libtard despite knowing absolutely nothing about them makes you bias"

Back in 2016 or 2017, this same muppet would have undoubtely memed the shit out of it, because it is a ridiculous argument. But now the Trumptards are being the snowflakes.

Two sides of the same coin, people.
 
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I'm more of an unreal engine guy.
why can't we have a haha reaction like facebook does? seems like a great jab/sarcastic joke for 2021

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btw i wrote this on fb (please don't get triggered)
I'm much smarter than trump in many ways but the major one is I'm not the idiot that got banned from facebook/twitter for life
 

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Well you see the problem is who decides what's hate speech, you?

The UN?

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/UN Strategy and Plan of Action on Hate Speech 18 June SYNOPSIS.pdf

In the context of this document, the term hate speech is understood as any kind of communication in speech, writing or behaviour, that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender or other identity factor. This is often rooted in, and generates intolerance and hatred and, in certain contexts, can be demeaning and divisive.
 
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American Thinker Issues Groveling Apology to Dominion Voting Systems For ‘Completely False’

oh and the famous “ColonelTPerez” From Parler that was calling for a civil war is really Troy Anthony Smocks, 58, of Dallas, Texas never served in the military one day of his life. I believed he is a janitor.

I love how the MAGA got hoodwinked for months and its being "Brought to light" in just days
Conspiracy peddling is all fun and games until someone gets sued. They unintentionally summoned the girl and her dragon to their doorstep, so they took thy knee faster than Colin Kaepernick. So much irony there even Alanis Morissette can appreciate.
 

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let me say this the death penalty is showing mercy I feel these traitors should be life in prison w/o parole wetting their pants,fraid of getting raped or killed by other inmates that is what they deserve not death
 

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let me say this the death penalty is showing mercy I feel these traitors should be life in prison w/o parole wetting their pants,fraid of getting raped or killed by other inmates that is what they deserve not death
okay that's a bit too far
and arguably chucking them in a place full of other criminals and crazies is a terrible idea since it'll let them just keep on circlejerking conspiracies to each other
instead, make it so that they're put in prison and things are set up so that they never interact with or even see each other- if their only human contact is the prison staff and guards, there's nobody that'll confirm their bullshit
 
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All nonsense, baseless conspiracy theories aside, Dominion voting systems really should be replaced. I don't understand why we're not using a more open, better tested solution instead of that proprietary crap.
 

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All nonsense, baseless conspiracy theories aside, Dominion voting systems really should be replaced. I don't understand why we're not using a more open, better tested solution instead of that proprietary crap.
Open... maybe, though it's hard to let the average citizen see everything as it's happening without also letting them ALTER (read: the type of shit Trumpers accuse Democrats of while actively trying to do it or worse) it as it's happening.
Better tested... well, this is certainly a pretty good test- and it seems Dominion is pretty damn secure.
 
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Open... maybe, though it's hard to let the average citizen see everything as it's happening without also letting them ALTER (read: the type of shit Trumpers accuse Democrats of while actively trying to do it or worse) it as it's happening.
Better tested... well, this is certainly a pretty good test- and it seems Dominion is pretty damn secure.
I'm talking open as in source code and development.
 

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I'm talking open as in source code and development.
Oh, fair point. Open-source voting coding would be nice, as an easy way to prove there's no internal manipulation. (Though in terms of development, there'd have to be some kind of "review changes before implementing" system so that people can't sneak in bullshit.)
 
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Oh, fair point. Open-source voting coding would be nice, as an easy way to prove there's no internal manipulation. (Though in terms of development, there'd have to be some kind of "review changes before implementing" system so that people can't sneak in bullshit.)
Of course there would be, just like every other libre project. It would result in a more secure and more trustworthy voting system, and I think it's one of the easiest fronts to begin to convince people to switch some of our infrastructure to non-proprietary software.
 
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okay that's a bit too far
and arguably chucking them in a place full of other criminals and crazies is a terrible idea since it'll let them just keep on circlejerking conspiracies to each other
instead, make it so that they're put in prison and things are set up so that they never interact with or even see each other- if their only human contact is the prison staff and guards, there's nobody that'll confirm their bullshit
a bit too far?? these are terrorist as much as ISIS and the Taliban they should be shipped to Guananimo bay if that was still an option they pose a risk
 
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