The followers of Trump and Jesus have something in common

UltraDolphinRevolution · Jan 11, 2021

One day Trumpism will be a case study for religious movements.
What they have in common:

-Savior figure (Make America Great Again, Messiah)
-Discussions on how to overthrow government (violence or peacefully)
-Prophecy or "believing in the plan"

If Trump had actually stormed the Capitol and died instead of the poor woman who got shot, Trump would have become a martyr like Jesus.

I want to talk about the last point (believing in the plan): It is human nature to become passive and convincing oneself that others will solve one´s own problems. This is how Q came about (whether it was an internal invention or planted by somebody is irrelevant).
Trump already admitted defeat (and arguably betrayed his people) but there are still those who believe he will take power before his term ends (see a woman on CGTN yesterday). This is religious-like belief. People can´t accept reality because how much invested they are in an idea.
During the time of Jesus there were also people who wanted to act (Zealots) and attacked soldiers. And there was a passive majority who wanted to believe in the plan, even after the leader had been executed. And even kept on believing he would bring about change... even until this day.

Trumpism might survive us all, unfortunately. It would have had more long-lasting power if he had been killed though, as I mentioned.

Deleted User · Jan 12, 2021

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
One day Trumpism will be a case study for religious movements.
What they have in common:

-Savior figure (Make America Great Again, Messiah)

Given the success of Christianity in the past ~2000 years, was Jesus wrong?

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
-Discussions on how to overthrow government (violence or peacefully)

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
Translation: Pay your taxes, obey the laws.

Granted, Jesus was trying to overthrow the Pharisees via trolling and bait-poasting - and one could argue attempting to subvert the Roman empire - but linking Trumpism to Jesus telling people to hold themselves and their leaders accountable to each other according to the spirit of the Law is probably not a good look if your goal is to denigrate Trumpism.

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
-Prophecy or "believing in the plan"

If Trump had actually stormed the Capitol and died instead of the poor woman who got shot, Trump would have become a martyr like Jesus.

I want to talk about the last point (believing in the plan): It is human nature to become passive and convincing oneself that others will solve one´s own problems. This is how Q came about (whether it was an internal invention or planted by somebody is irrelevant).
Trump already admitted defeat (and arguably betrayed his people) but there are still those who believe he will take power before his term ends (see a woman on CGTN yesterday). This is religious-like belief. People can´t accept reality because how much invested they are in an idea.
During the time of Jesus there were also people who wanted to act (Zealots) and attacked soldiers. And there was a passive majority who wanted to believe in the plan, even after the leader had been executed. And even kept on believing he would bring about change... even until this day.

Trumpism might survive us all, unfortunately. It would have had more long-lasting power if he had been killed though, as I mentioned.

There are different kinds of power. The Romance of the Three Kingdoms gets into this - people power, terrain power, and raw military power. Probably more. Trump couldn't harness the last one, so he's moving to the other two.

As for them accepting his "loss", one should look at Democrat behavior in contesting electoral aberrations in previous elections, compare it to their behavior in this election, and meditate on the consequences of hypocrisy for one's perceived legitimacy. He may have lost the electioneering, but he is definitely winning the hearts and minds of a lot of people who are running out of things to lose.

Xzi · Jan 12, 2021

Unfortunately you're right, his braindead cult worships him like the messiah despite the fact that he shares far more in common with the bible's description of the antichrist. I wouldn't worry about him becoming a martyr though, he'd never put himself in any real (physical) danger.

The fact that such an obvious snake oil salesman can build up a large following is as much a failure of education as it is a failure of religion. Critical thinking skills are severely lacking in the US, and especially in longtime red states. On the religious side, Evangelicals in particular have always been primed for radicalization, all they needed was the right egomaniac to come along and convince them to take that last step in abandoning Christ's teachings entirely. Now they're no better than ISIS, they only want their version of Sharia law ruling over America.

zxr750j · Jan 12, 2021

Accepting everything someone's saying without doubt (like reading the bible, listening to trump or even your parents) apparently is human. At some point children learn to think for themselves, apparently some people don't.

Arecaidian Fox · Jan 12, 2021

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

spotanjo3 · Jan 12, 2021

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Bladexdsl · Jan 12, 2021

they have something in common alright they are both false idols

r5xscn · Jan 12, 2021

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
-Savior figure (Make America Great Again, Messiah)
-Discussions on how to overthrow government (violence or peacefully)
-Prophecy or "believing in the plan"

Jesus did not tell the follower to overthrow the government lol. Please don't compare Jesus and Trump if you don't even know the teaching of Jesus.

I would not even try to compare Trump to Mao or Xi since I don't know Xi and Mao well.

But I can agree with @zxr750j that the followers are sometimes too trusting (often when the pastor said Jesus said... they did not try to check it with the bible or something like that).

Taleweaver · Jan 12, 2021

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
One day Trumpism will be a case study for ~~religious~~ terrorist movements.
What they have in common:

-Savior figure (Make America Great Again, Messiah)
-Discussions on how to overthrow government (violence ~~or peacefully~~)
-Prophecy or "believing in the plan"

Fixed that for you. I mean...It really doesn't strike me as a detail that Jezus preached a peaceful way of life rather than violence.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Jan 12, 2021

r5xscn said:
Jesus did not tell the follower to overthrow the government lol. Please don't compare Jesus and Trump if you don't even know the teaching of Jesus.

I did not say Jesus advocated violence (though it is possible; his speech has probably been "improved" to make him as good as possible, you can get a glimpse of that when comparing Mark with Matthew/Luke or John), but his movement was one in which these things were debated (see the popularity of Barabbas who could actually just be an alter ego of the historical Jesus; maybe his followers could not deal with his death and invented an extremely violent and an extremely peaceful version of the same person).

Just believe in the plan, boys. Trump is going 4D chess again.

Deleted User · Jan 12, 2021

Xzi said:
Unfortunately you're right, his braindead cult worships him like the messiah despite the fact that he shares far more in common with the bible's description of the antichrist. I wouldn't worry about him becoming a martyr though, he'd never put himself in any real (physical) danger.

So you hate Christianity and Christians, you think they're vile evil stupid bigots who just need to ugh die already?

But we're also hypocrites who don't believe in our own beliefs as understood by someone who loathes us?

If Trump is an anti-Christ, why don't more lefties support him?

That's some excellent persuasive writing right there, you are really gonna make me change my mind by calling me braindead and telling me that my political leaders are the word you believe I will associate with evil. Very big-brained take on your part.

Xzi said:
The fact that such an obvious snake oil salesman can build up a large following is as much a failure of education as it is a failure of religion. Critical thinking skills are severely lacking in the US, and especially in longtime red states.

Tell me, how can Bernie still win?

Xzi said:
On the religious side, Evangelicals in particular have always been primed for radicalization, all they needed was the right egomaniac to come along and convince them to take that last step in abandoning Christ's teachings entirely. Now they're no better than ISIS, they only want their version of Sharia law ruling over America.

I'm sure you have a lot of knowledge and authority of the Bible, having apparently never read it and getting everything you know about it from people who hate it and Christians.

The next time you're downtown, look around for your local Rescue Mission. Look for the neon sign of a cross, with the words "Jesus Saves" nearby. If you're not too scared of poor people, go in and ask for a tour. Look at the beds that Christians paid for so homeless men, women, and children have a warm place to sleep. Go to the dinners often served by local churches, and ask the people spending hours every weekend cooking hot food for people wracked by poverty, despair, and addiction why they are so evil to disagree with you - the guy whose politics is in lockstep with every major bank in the USA, as well as billionaire Jeff Bezos.

I mean, you lefties are supposed to represent the poor, right? Surely you wouldn't be so grossed out by them that you'd chicken out?

zxr750j said:
Accepting everything someone's saying without doubt (like reading the bible, listening to trump or even your parents) apparently is human. At some point children learn to think for themselves, apparently some people don't.

Ricky Gervais will never have children. In a hundred years, all the media he created will be gone, and there will be nothing except maybe a pile of moldering bones and if he's lucky a few notes in rotting books to show he ever existed.

Meanwhile, all the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, and other religious peoples of the world will keep on as they have for hundreds of years.

Given that religion apparently has evolutionary value, who is really the smart one here?

Xzi · Jan 12, 2021

MysticLord said:
So you hate Christianity and Christians, you think they're vile evil stupid bigots who just need to ugh die already?

Not at all, I'm overjoyed when I meet a Christian who actually believes in Jesus' teachings and lives their life accordingly. Unfortunately, meeting that type of Christian has become almost as rare as finding a $100 bill just laying on the ground. Far too many of them have chosen to worship a false idol instead, the orange calf.

MysticLord said:
If Trump is an anti-Christ, why don't more lefties support him?

Because Jesus is basically the OG Socialist. "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven," remember?

MysticLord said:
That's some excellent persuasive writing right there, you are really gonna make me change my mind by calling me braindead and telling me that my political leaders are the word you believe I will associate with evil. Very big-brained take on your part.

None of what I wrote was meant to persuade you to quit the cult you've joined, nor do I think it is possible for anyone else to make you quit. Only you can choose to do that for yourself.

MysticLord said:
Tell me, how can Bernie still win?

I don't see how that's relevant, I didn't mention Bernie Sanders in my post at all. Since you brought him up though, here's the good news: thanks to Dems winning the Senate, he's now the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. Biden will need Sanders' approval in order to gain funding for any of his policies/proposals, so the position comes with a lot of power.

MysticLord said:
I'm sure you have a lot of knowledge and authority of the Bible, having apparently never read it and getting everything you know about it from people who hate it and Christians.

Since it was one of the only options in our area, I attended a Christian middle school. Over two years I had to memorize almost the entire bible, though I've tried to forget whatever I could since moving on to high school, in order to make room for knowledge in other subjects.

MysticLord said:
The next time you're downtown, look around for your local Rescue Mission. Look for the neon sign of a cross, with the words "Jesus Saves" nearby. If you're not too scared of poor people, go in and ask for a tour. Look at the beds that Christians paid for so homeless men, women, and children have a warm place to sleep. Go to the dinners often served by local churches, and ask the people spending hours every weekend cooking hot food for people wracked by poverty, despair, and addiction why they are so evil to disagree with you - the guy whose politics is in lockstep with every major bank in the USA, as well as billionaire Jeff Bezos.

I mean, you lefties are supposed to represent the poor, right? Surely you wouldn't be so grossed out by them that you'd chicken out?

None of the homeless shelters/soup kitchens closest to me are run by churches, and I know that because I have volunteered at a couple of them. Meanwhile, we do have a number of megachurches in my state, and the cost for the construction of just one of them could've easily fed and sheltered every homeless person in the state for years. This type of grift has been going on since the beginning of Christianity/religion in general, and it's kind of pathetic that people haven't become any better at spotting it in 2000+ years.

Deleted User · Jan 12, 2021

Xzi said:
Not at all, I'm overjoyed when I meet a Christian who actually believes in Jesus' teachings and lives their life accordingly. Unfortunately, meeting that type of Christian has become almost as rare as finding a $100 bill just laying on the ground. Far too many of them have chosen to worship a false idol instead, the orange calf.

Are you sure you want someone who does that?
https://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

On a more practical note, left-wing denominations are declining and have been for decades, while stuff like Sedevacantism is the fastest growing Catholic offshoot. Right-wing denominations are having at least 2 babies for every 1 that those on the left have.

If people who believe in your niche understanding of Christianity do not reproduce and eventually die out, was it really the right teaching? If one's interpretation of scripture causes one to go extinct, then I'm not inclined to agree with it.

Xzi said:
Because Jesus is basically the OG Socialist. "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven," remember?

If Jesus is a socialist, then why did the NKVD liquidate millions of Christians after the Bolsheviks seized power?

Xzi said:
None of what I wrote was meant to persuade you to quit the cult you've joined, nor do I think it is possible for anyone else to make you quit. Only you can choose to do that for yourself.

I'll stick with the "cult" that has 2000 years of staying power over your "totally not a cult" that has failed in every state where in gains power.

Xzi said:
I don't see how that's relevant, I didn't mention Bernie Sanders in my post at all. Since you brought him up though, here's the good news: thanks to Dems winning the Senate, he's now the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. Biden will need Sanders' approval in order to gain funding for any of his policies/proposals, so the position comes with a lot of power.

Just keep voting for Bernie in every primary and maybe someday you'll get someone who's not a warmongering neoliberal to run as the Democrat candidate for President. Have faith!

Xzi said:
Since it was one of the only options in our area, I attended a Christian middle school. Over two years I had to memorize almost the entire bible, though I've tried to forget whatever I could since moving on to high school, in order to make room for knowledge in other subjects.

What was the issue with the public schools? Are bougie socialists too good for public school?

Xzi said:
None of the homeless shelters/soup kitchens closest to me are run by churches, and I know that because I have volunteered at a couple of them. Meanwhile, we do have a number of megachurches in my state, and the cost for the construction of just one of them could've easily fed and sheltered every homeless person in the state for years. This type of grift has been going on since the beginning of Christianity/religion in general, and it's kind of pathetic that people haven't become any better at spotting it in 2000+ years.

I call BS. I've personally volunteered at Christian-run Missions in Oregon (Salem, Eugene, Roseburg, Coos Bay), Idaho (Boise, Meridian), California (Eureka aka lmao dude weed central), Sioux Falls, Nebraska (Omaha, Lincoln, Grand Island), Council Bluffs, Ohio (Cleveland, Cincinnati, Akron, Warren), Wyoming (Cheyenne), Salt Lake City, Denver. There's a Christian-run Mission in at least every state capital in the USA.

r5xscn · Jan 13, 2021

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
I did not say Jesus advocated violence (though it is possible; his speech has probably been "improved" to make him as good as possible, you can get a glimpse of that when comparing Mark with Matthew/Luke or John), but his movement was one in which these things were debated (see the popularity of Barabbas who could actually just be an alter ego of the historical Jesus; maybe his followers could not deal with his death and invented an extremely violent and an extremely peaceful version of the same person).

Just believe in the plan, boys. Trump is going 4D chess again.

His speech is written by his students? Of course, it has been translated into many languages, but you can read those translations or the original if you want. Many people doubt the bible and said that it has been altered but can't provide any proof.

Regarding the first 4 books in the new testament, you can use those books interchangeably and those basically said the same stuff with the addition here and there which is expected because the writers are different.

His followers became extremely violent? Jesus already said to the follower and especially to the students that He will be put on the cross and will be back on the third day. If the followers are liars, why don't they just write that the angels beat the priests and the Rome soldiers and went back to heaven by riding on a pegasus or something lol? That way it's easier and people like a huge comeback story lol.

Matthew also wrote that the priest waited until Passover is done so that the mass does not riot over the prosecution of Jesus. And you wondered why the follower is peaceful lol.

Another thing is Jesus never told people to attack each other for injustice.

Of course, you can doubt all of the content in the bible and just believe your rhetoric/opinion.

To be fair, I have a huge bias toward his teaching and IMO unless you are a hypocrite like the priests in the bible, I wonder why would you dislike the Son of man? The Son of man only taught people to love God and to love their neighbor as if themselves.

Hey while we are at it why don't we start doubting our history? The history is written by the side of the winner and not the loser.

MysticLord said:
Are you sure you want someone who does that?
https://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm

Then I have good news for you. Jesus also doesn't like those pharisee and law abiders who study the law of Moses but did not practice the law of God (the 10 testaments). The bible also wrote that Jesus protects a woman who did adultery from being stoned and told people to check themselves before judging other people.

But I won't blame you if you think Christianity is bad, because many people claim they are Christian but only in their speech and not in their doing.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Jan 13, 2021

I just wanted to point out the religious nature of a part of Trump supporters, especially the Q crowd.
It is human nature to deceive oneself in this way.
This is true for voters of both parties btw: You (democracts) think Russians "hacked" the election because you lost and you think there was no voter fraud because you won (and courts dismissed the cases; which is not proof of absence of evidence btw).

That said, I doubt history all the time. What we can say about Jesus with near certainty is that he was an endtimes prophet, follower of John the Baptist, that he gathered his own followers, got the attention of the Romans and was killed. His followers did not admit defeat but made the symbol of humiliation into their brand (the cross) and built a theology around it. The later you go (John), the more perfect Jesus appears (compared to Mk, which was also probably written 30-40 years after the events).
Imagine a world without internet and cameras and in a certain amount of time Trump would also have turned into divine emperor Trump.

mikefor20 · Jan 13, 2021

Also, they both have someone magic to blame... no matter what. The devil gets the blame in christianity. No matter the facts. "The devil wears many masks".
Trump does the same thing with antifa and the Democrats. Even when the evidence says otherwise. As if some "invisible force" is responsible for all wrong doing.

One you convince people of this you can make them believe anything....

r5xscn · Jan 13, 2021

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
That said, I doubt history all the time. What we can say about Jesus with near certainty is that he was an endtimes prophet, follower of John the Baptist, that he gathered his own followers, got the attention of the Romans and was killed. His followers did not admit defeat but made the symbol of humiliation into their brand (the cross) and built a theology around it. The later you go (John), the more perfect Jesus appears (compared to Mk, which was also probably written 30-40 years after the events).
Imagine a world without internet and cameras and in a certain amount of time Trump would also have turned into divine emperor Trump.

I won't comment on US election since I am not American.

John is not the follower of Jesus, when he met Jesus, he said that he is not worthy even for untieing His shoes. Before you start to say that Jesus found that John is famous, so let's become famous by following him, I should stop you. The bible also said that Jesus has already rich in wisdom since his childhood by telling the story of Him debating in the temple and His parents forgot about Him.

Here is a point that you can doubt (which I also don't understand), why did John send his disciple to Jesus to ask if He is the messiah if he baptized Jesus and hear the voice of God during the baptism? This thing is still a puzzle for me.

And there are a lot of misunderstandings in that paragraph (and I doubt reading the bible will even point you to the right answer because of "bias", human understanding is heavily affected by their bias), His followers did not admit defeat and got killed too lol by the jews and Roman empire. I wonder what is the benefit for them if Jesus is a liar. Basically, the bible said to be ready to be prosecuted because of the name of Jesus, or simply said it already warned the reader if you become Christian you are risking your life in reward of salvation in the afterlife.

I also awed by your bias, a story that I believe as a sacrifice to save humans and to correct their ways became a story of humiliation. But again I don't doubt that this is not trolling because those hypocrites in the past already made countermeasures against Jesus and those are also written in the bible if you wish to read/confirm. (Jesus went back to alive after 3 days? The disciples stole his body IKR lol \s).

Doubting everything is a good thing, but not trying to find proof is a bad thing.

FYI I am a bad Christian (in most Christian definition), I do not like to go to a church or grouping. I read the bible for fun and study, and not for research in theology or something.

omgcat said:
natural selection doesn't work like that. if anyone reproduces that doesn't have a religion (lots of people), it becomes a neutral evolutionary trait at best, and negative trait at worst (religious extermination). people have no sense of timescale since our year is 2021. in reality we have been fucking around with religion for ~70,000 years, and dicking with fire for almost 1,700,000-2,000,000 years. to put that in perspective, Christianity has existed for 0.119% of time since fire was discovered. there is evidence of belief in an afterlife, and other rituals as far back as 200,000BC. fuck a majority of Christians still don't believe in evolution even though we're watching the coronavirus mutate in real time.

the chances of ANYONE's religion being the right one is basically 0.

Thanks, I got a good laugh out of this.
Yeah, shame on those Christians who don't believe a proven science lol.

Just follow what you think is right guys, just don't force others into your beliefs.

omgcat · Jan 13, 2021

MysticLord said:
Ricky Gervais will never have children. In a hundred years, all the media he created will be gone, and there will be nothing except maybe a pile of moldering bones and if he's lucky a few notes in rotting books to show he ever existed.

Meanwhile, all the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, and other religious peoples of the world will keep on as they have for hundreds of years.

Given that religion apparently has evolutionary value, who is really the smart one here?

natural selection doesn't work like that. if anyone reproduces that doesn't have a religion (lots of people), it becomes a neutral evolutionary trait at best, and negative trait at worst (religious extermination). people have no sense of timescale since our year is 2021. in reality we have been fucking around with religion for ~70,000 years, and dicking with fire for almost 1,700,000-2,000,000 years. to put that in perspective, Christianity has existed for 0.119% of time since fire was discovered. there is evidence of belief in an afterlife, and other rituals as far back as 200,000BC. fuck a majority of Christians still don't believe in evolution even though we're watching the coronavirus mutate in real time.

the chances of ANYONE's religion being the right one is basically 0.

Xzi · Jan 13, 2021

MysticLord said:
On a more practical note, left-wing denominations are declining and have been for decades, while stuff like Sedevacantism is the fastest growing Catholic offshoot. Right-wing denominations are having at least 2 babies for every 1 that those on the left have.

If people who believe in your niche understanding of Christianity do not reproduce and eventually die out, was it really the right teaching? If one's interpretation of scripture causes one to go extinct, then I'm not inclined to agree with it.

Yeah...I couldn't care less what does or doesn't happen to Christianity in the future. It's already lost a lot of influence here in the present, with all the various pedophilia scandals in the Catholic church and whatnot.

MysticLord said:
If Jesus is a socialist, then why did the NKVD liquidate millions of Christians after the Bolsheviks seized power?

Lenin's brand of authoritarian communism was about as far from syndicalism or socialism as it gets. Socialism is a set of economic principles, it isn't inherently inclusive or exclusive to any religion.

MysticLord said:
I'll stick with the "cult" that has 2000 years of staying power over your "totally not a cult" that has failed in every state where in gains power.

I was clearly referring to Trumpism there, not Christianity. Though as I've already explained, the former is incompatible with the latter, and has overtaken it in large part.

MysticLord said:
Just keep voting for Bernie in every primary and maybe someday you'll get someone who's not a warmongering neoliberal to run as the Democrat candidate for President. Have faith!

He says, knowing full well Trump tried to start WW3 in week one of 2020, and continues to try to spark a second civil war. Let me guess, you probably voted GWB twice, too. "Warmongering neoliberal" is practically a compliment within the Republican party at this point.

I won't make any excuses for Obama, our involvement in Libya was unnecessary. It was also very limited, which is why we won't be dealing with the fallout from it in twenty years like we are now with Afghanistan/Iraq.

MysticLord said:
What was the issue with the public schools? Are bougie socialists too good for public school?

No issue...by context alone you should've been able to figure out that I attended a public elementary school and a public high school, along with community college. And "bougie socialists?" Really?

MysticLord said:
I call BS. I've personally volunteered at Christian-run Missions in Oregon (Salem, Eugene, Roseburg, Coos Bay), Idaho (Boise, Meridian), California (Eureka aka lmao dude weed central), Sioux Falls, Nebraska (Omaha, Lincoln, Grand Island), Council Bluffs, Ohio (Cleveland, Cincinnati, Akron, Warren), Wyoming (Cheyenne), Salt Lake City, Denver. There's a Christian-run Mission in at least every state capital in the USA.

You seem to have a bit of trouble with reading comprehension. I didn't say there were zero church-run missions in my entire state, just that none of the ones closest to me are. My point about megachurches stands, and there's another argument to be made against the tax-exempt status of churches as well.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Jan 13, 2021

r5xscn said:
John is not the follower of Jesus

I wrote Jesus is the follower of John (which is pretty much established by Christian and Non-Christian scholars).

r5xscn said:
, when he met Jesus, he said that he is not worthy even for untieing His shoes.

No, this is not what John the Baptist said. It is what Matthew claims John the Baptist said.
Who is Matthew? One of Jesus´s followers. It is no wonder that he wants to make his master appear better than John the baptist. He somehow had to explain why there is even a need for his master - who is a divine figure - to be baptist by anyone. We do not find this statement in Mark (which was presumably written earlier than Matthew).
This is how an historian thinks. You think like a gullible primary school student.

r5xscn said:
Before you start to say that Jesus found that John is famous, so let's become famous by following him, I should stop you.

This thought never came to me in my life. At least you are capable of original thinking.

r5xscn said:
The bible also said that Jesus has already rich in wisdom since his childhood by telling the story of Him debating in the temple and His parents forgot about Him.

Yes, that´s one of the later stories that people came up with when people started to wonder "what was Jesus like as a child?" There are many more stories about Baby Jesus and little Jesus (some have found their way in the Quran btw) people came up with.
First people believed Jesus was somewhat divine by adoption at his batism ("this is my son"), then because of divine conception (Mary the virgin) and finally he was the reason of the world´s existence itself (John 1:1).

r5xscn said:
Here is a point that you can doubt (which I also don't understand), why did John send his disciple to Jesus to ask if He is the messiah if he baptized Jesus and hear the voice of God during the baptism? This thing is still a puzzle for me.

You´re welcome.
The baptism of Jesus is historical. There is no reason for his followers to invent a story that makes him look lower than another master. But they had to come up with ways to justify it (see above).

r5xscn said:
His followers did not admit defeat and got killed too lol by the jews and Roman empire.

They could not deal with the death of their master. Jews do not believe in a defeated Messiah. The Messiah defeats. Since Jesus was killed, he was exposed as a wrong Messiah like many before and after him (and since the endtimes did not come he was exposed as a failed prophet as well, but this does not stop you apparently).
So his followers came up with crazier and crazier justifications (he will come back, he is God himself etc) just like we can see how some Trump followers still think Trump will remain president (as seen on Live TV recently). Believe in the plan, man!

r5xscn said:
I wonder what is the benefit for them if Jesus is a liar. Basically, the bible said to be ready to be prosecuted because of the name of Jesus, or simply said it already warned the reader if you become Christian you are risking your life in reward of salvation in the afterlife.

A great marketing strategy. Also works in Islam, for example.
If you believe in Trump you will be persecuted but do not dispair: in the afterlife there is blabla.
If you really believe this marketing trick, why don´t you go to a country in which there is actually the threat of death for spreading the word AS YOUR MASTER DEMANDS OF YOU? Go to North Korea or Saudi Arabia and start preaching. Why are we still debating?
You just admitted you are a bad Christian. If you really believe, you will do something about it. Deeds speak louder than words. Go on, plan your journey.

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