Hacking Question Is SX OS dead?

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Even if that is the case, doesn't change the fact that Atmosphere doesn't support piracy out of the box, whereas SX OS does.
Except, it kind of does. You don't need to do anything fancy to "enable" it. Just drop in some easy to find patches and you're good to go. Not really any hoops. Closer to a metaphorical switch that takes no effort to toggle.

Not to mention the fact there's nothing in place to give you any pushback. I'm nitpicking sure. However, atmos isn't as clean as some of you praise it to be.

For those of you who want to argue. I'm saying that Atmos does, in fact, SUPPORT piracy out of the box. It's just not "enabled".
 
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Both do NOT support piracy out of the box, they both take Human interaction to achieve piracy!
Well, yeah. No homebrew or hack makes you pirate stuff, it's still you that has to actually copy or install the files - the difference is that SX is purposefully aimed at enabling piracy while using copyrighted keys to do so and Atmos needs third party patches to enable it, which is the fine line between getting arrested and basically nothing happening because there's no legal basis to do so
 

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Even if that is the case, doesn't change the fact that Atmosphere doesn't support piracy out of the box, whereas SX OS does.
Which goes back to the point I made days ago. That doesn't really matter in the sake of argument. Either way, both enable piracy. Sxos just makes it 3 clicks easier.
 
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Except, it kind of does. You don't need to do anything fancy to "enable" it. Just drop in some easy to find patches and you're good to go. Not really any hoops. Closer to a metaphorical switch that takes no effort to toggle.

Not to mention the fact there's nothing in place to give you any pushback. I'm nitpicking sure. However, atmos isn't as clean as some of you praise it to be.

For those of you who want to argue. I'm saying that Atmos does, in fact, SUPPORT piracy out of the box. It's just not "enabled".
Why don't we blame pharma companies that produce needles for hospitals for drug use then? Just because they create the delivery system doesn't make them responsible for what it is used for. Should we blame the email providers for phishing attacks? How about people who make usb cables for enabling us to push payloads? The buck has to stop somewhere but I think it should stop with the people who make sig patches rather than the CFW, unless of course the cfw includes the sig patches.
 
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You don't need to do anything fancy to "enable" it. Just drop in some easy to find patches and you're good to go. Not really any hoops.

You need a combination of patches + title installer of Atmosphere to install. Once again, saying "you don't need anything fancy to enable it" is like saying Windows OS supports piracy because people make emulators for it.

Both do NOT support piracy out of the box,

Wrong, SX OS comes with sigpatches and title installer bundled in their CFW.

Either way, both enable piracy. Sxos just makes it 3 clicks easier.

This is like trying to say Windows and other OS enables piracy. Atmosphere does not enable piracy out of the box. You are simply projecting your views onto others, believing that Atmosphere (and probably Ninjhax back then) enabled piracy.
 
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Save managers (and editors for the saves), cheats, and all of my Skyrim mods beg to differ...

TFTPD is useful asf also...
Yeah save managers and editors for your illegal games nice joke or wait maybe you are one of that retards that modify the save use cheats and then go back to horizon to play, "normally" or even better that play on CFW to be banned, RIDICULOUS hahaha, keep trying.

And Tftpd is not a big deal btw.
 
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Spend more than like... 10 minutes on this, or any other homevrew-centric forum and you will see that it is not a big assumption. It is likely a bigger assumption to state that most people who hack their consoles do not load emulators. That's the big shtick that makes people want to hack their consoles in the first place.
I've seen many motivations for cfws on the switch. Some want to use custom backgrounds, some want to use mods, some want to use controllers by other companies
 
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I've seen many motivations for cfws on the switch. Some want to use custom backgrounds, some want to use mods, some want to use controllers by other companies

All excuses, you guys are missing the point that once u have a CFW you are breaking the TOA that you accept when you buy the console, everything inbetween are just people on this thread trying to justify a crime whether if you used OS or Atmos, nintendo will ban you this means that they are not okay with the fact, they are so not okay with it that they did a massive campaign to bring down SX OS and u guys keep saying that they didnt go after Atmos because they don't pirate. BS.

They went after the big bucks, where the piracy scene is hugely located and not a bunch of geeks playing with a CFW like Atmos team, this doesnt mean though that Atmos is fine and SX is bad, go ask any nintendo lawyer and I pretty much sure they won't differentiate between them.
 
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All excuses, you guys are missing the point that once u have a CFW you are breaking the TOA that you accept when you buy the console, everything inbetween are just people on this thread trying to justify a crime whether if you used OS or Atmos, nintendo will ban you this means that they are not okay with the fact, they are so not okay with it that they did a massive campaign to bring down SX OS and u guys keep saying that they didnt go after Atmos because they don't pirate. BS.

They went after the big bucks, where the piracy scene is hugely located and not a bunch of geeks playing with a CFW like Atmos team, this doesnt mean though that Atmos is fine and SX is bad, go ask any nintendo lawyer and I pretty much sure they won't differentiate between them.
Breaking toa is not a crime and it's unlikely that they are actually legitimate in Europe because you can only see them after buying the console. The consequence of console manufacturers for breaking the toa is to ban the users. They can't do much more legally (at least in europe).
And of course Nintendo lawyers will tell you the truth and not what Nintendo wants to be the truth ;) (even if they tell the truth, they will try to formulate that in a way that hides the truth. Look at their quotes regarding emulators. They don't answer their own questions but find words around that that sound worse than they are)
 
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You need a combination of patches + title installer of Atmosphere to install. Once again, saying "you don't need anything fancy to enable it" is like saying Windows OS supports piracy because people make emulators for it.



Wrong, SX OS comes with sigpatches and title installer bundled in their CFW.



This is like trying to say Windows and other OS enables piracy. Atmosphere does not enable piracy out of the box. You are simply projecting your views onto others, believing that Atmosphere (and probably Ninjhax back then) enabled piracy.
Okay you win. I give up

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I've seen many motivations for cfws on the switch. Some want to use custom backgrounds, some want to use mods, some want to use controllers by other companies
But those reasons alone are not often compelling enough to risk banning your switch
 

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And of course Nintendo lawyers will tell you the truth and not what Nintendo wants to be the truth

Agreed. For example, Nintendo's piracy site suggests that even creating your own backups is akin to piracy somehow, though we know that isn't the case. Unfortunately, Nintendo will probably win cases in Japan since there are laws against modding of any sort there from what I have heard. Shouldn't be the case in America or Europe as long as you don't share your backups.

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But those reasons alone are not often compelling enough to risk banning your switch

It is for people who have a backup Switch in case this happens, or doesn't care about online play/downloading games (and still have a friend or second switch to download updates from).
 

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Breaking toa is not a crime and it's unlikely that they are actually legitimate in Europe because you can only see them after buying the console. The consequence of console manufacturers for breaking the toa is to ban the users. They can't do much more legally (at least in europe).
And of course Nintendo lawyers will tell you the truth and not what Nintendo wants to be the truth ;) (even if they tell the truth, they will try to formulate that in a way that hides the truth. Look at their quotes regarding emulators. They don't answer their own questions but find words around that that sound worse than they are)

Every time someone with CFW (be it SXOS or Atmosphere or anything NOT official vanilla Nintendo software) even pings the Nintendo servers online, that's unauthorized access to Nintendo's servers and is a crime. See www.bayarea-attorney.com/unauthorized-computer-access-otherwise-known-as-hacking

There are many more ways Nintendo can get you on the hook for hacking the Switch but they don't bother for now. If they think it is worthwile they could successfully pursue SciresM in court for Atmosphere and its circumvention measures
 

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Agreed. For example, Nintendo's piracy site suggests that even creating your own backups is akin to piracy somehow, though we know that isn't the case. Unfortunately, Nintendo will probably win cases in Japan since there are laws against modding of any sort there from what I have heard. Shouldn't be the case in America or Europe as long as you don't share your backups.

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It is for people who have a backup Switch in case this happens, or doesn't care about online play/downloading games (and still have a friend or second switch to download updates from).
Okay I said I gave up but that is the most ridiculous thing you've said yet. You expect me to believe that a significant number of people are bothered enough that there aren't themes on the switch that they are willing to buy a second switch so they can see a fun color for the 1% of the time they are in the home menu? You can't make an argument for controllers either because there are $30 adapters that can do that. You can *maybe* make that argument for mods but there aren't a lot of significant mods for switch games. Furthermore, there's a much cheaper (and easier) method to play modded switch games using the Yuzu emulator.
 
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Okay I said I gave up but that is the most ridiculous thing you've said yet.

Remember, just because you do something doesn't mean a majority of people do it. You need to get out of your bubble and realize that not everyone does the same things as you.
 

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Remember, just because you do something doesn't mean a majority of people do it. You need to get out of your bubble and realize that not everyone does the same things as you.
No you need to hear that instead. I expect people to do the dirty free thing. You expect people to be upstanding citizens willing to pay $300 extra dollars for fun colors and shapes. Which do you think is more likely?
 
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