Naughty Dog is promoting Neil Druckmann to co-president of the company

Julie_Pilgrim · Dec 8, 2020

Gotta love how people somehow brought their hate of gays into this

elk1007 · Dec 8, 2020

I really hate this part of the job.

I am locking this thread effective immediately.

pustal · Dec 8, 2020

RobvonBothmer said:
I didn't give a shit about the somewhat focus on sexuality in the game (btw, I thought Lev was a girl up until I read some comments in here).

You porbably missed optional conversation bewtween her and Abby.

Lev was a girl, forced into marriage with a village elder. She wanted to be a warrior like her sister. however, being a woman in her tribe, she could not choose, so she decided to shave her hair, like the men, change to a male name. It is not clear if she sees herlsef as a man or if she only wants to pass as a man not to be forced into doing what people want woman to do.

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Scott_pilgrim said:
Gotta love how people somehow brought their hate of gays into this

Welcome to post-2016. People were complaining about the political climate making the game "political", but funny how there was no outcry on the 3 gay characters in the first game. The political climate didn't inject gayness into the game, simply made it so that people thought it was ok for attacking it for having gay characters. It's frankly sad.

RobvonBothmer · Dec 8, 2020

pustal said:
You porbably missed optional conversation bewtween her an Abby.

Lev was a girl, forced into marriage with a village elder. She wanted to be a warrior like her sister. however, being a woman in her tribe, she could not choose, so she decided to shave her hair, like the men, change to a male name. It is not clear if she sees herlsef as a man o if she only wants to pass as a man not to be force into doing what people want woman to do.

Well that explains it. I googled and found a LoU2 wiki that stated she was a male but I should have remembered that dialog.

Julie_Pilgrim · Dec 8, 2020

elk1007 said:
I really hate this part of the job.

I am locking this thread effective immediately.

Wrong acc lol

Deleted User · Dec 8, 2020

Boycott bigots.

RedBlueGreen · Dec 8, 2020

Rest in Pepperoni Naughty Dog, at last you were good in the Crash and Jak days.

ZeroFX · Dec 8, 2020

RIP naughty dog, a good company that went to decent then utter trash.

nashismo · Dec 8, 2020

Neil Drunkman... new game guys! Some trans man getting pregnant and then (while pregnant) having sex with Neil Drunkman NPC character. I just thought of the most disgusting thing I could ever imagine, because that is probably what they are going to "create" next.

You can contribute with more disgusting ideas, I mean "sequels".

Julie_Pilgrim · Dec 8, 2020

Why does every Naughty Dog thread turn into “gay people are scary”

Big Man Tyrone2 · Dec 8, 2020

Scott_pilgrim said:
Why does every Naughty Dog thread turn into “gay people are scary”

Didn't you know? Any game that doesn't have straight male characters are OBVIOUSLY political SJW garbage.

Julie_Pilgrim · Dec 8, 2020

Big Man Tyrone2 said:
Didn't you know? Any game that doesn't have straight male characters are OBVIOUSLY political SJW garbage.

You forgot that they also have to be white

elk1007 · Dec 8, 2020

Scott_pilgrim said:
Why does every Naughty Dog thread turn into “gay people are scary”

No one ever said gay people were scary. No one has been 'phobic' of gay people, either.

I present concisely why I didn't like TLoU2 here.

Big Man Tyrone2 · Dec 8, 2020

elk1007 said:
No one ever said gay people were scary. No one has been 'phobic' of gay people, either.

I present concisely why I didn't like TLoU2 here.

Ellie is gay because the writers want her to be.
Lev is transgender because the writers want him to be.
Dina is a bisexual Jew because the writers want her to be.
Abby is, "yoked as fuck" because the writers want her to be.

'None of these characters are believable; they are part of an agenda to degrade straight men." - I don't know dude, it seems like you're scared of gay people, "degrading straight men" or whatever the fuck you're on about.

pustal · Dec 8, 2020

Scott_pilgrim said:
Why does every Naughty Dog thread turn into “gay people are scary”

Big Man Tyrone2 said:
Ellie is gay because the writers want her to be.
Lev is transgender because the writers want him to be.
Dina is a bisexual Jew because the writers want her to be.
Abby is, "yoked as fuck" because the writers want her to be.

'None of these characters are believable; they are part of an agenda to degrade straight men." - I don't know dude, it seems like you're scared of gay people, "degrading straight men" or whatever the fuck you're on about.

Maybe they're afraid to end up like Jozsef Szajer that fought an anti-gay agenda for years and just recently was found on an all-men orgy. Or like any of these people.
I'm afraid drinking orange juice doesn't make any of those people gay, they were born that way and repress it afterwards.
Maybe they don't feel secure of their own sexuality and need constant straight role models validation, who knows?

I'm straight and pretty confident of my sexuality. Playing as a gay female character or interacting and even befriending gay people don't make me less of a man or straight. Also doesn't make any of my friends less of a man or a woman for beeing gay or bi or whatever.

I'd argue what'd make one less of a man or a women is scapegoating their inner insecurities or hate or whatever to a minority, that's weak and coward.

elk1007 · Dec 8, 2020

Big Man Tyrone2 said:
Ellie is gay because the writers want her to be.
Lev is transgender because the writers want him to be.
Dina is a bisexual Jew because the writers want her to be.
Abby is, "yoked as fuck" because the writers want her to be.

I addressed this in the first sentence of the same post.

pustal said:
Maybe they're afraid to end up like Jozsef Szajer that fought an anti-gay agenda for years and just recently was found on an all-men orgy. Or like any of these people.
I'm afraid drinking orange juice doesn't make any of those people gay, they were born that way and repress it afterwards.
Maybe they don't feel secure of their own sexuality and need constant straight role models validation, who knows?

I'm straight and pretty confident of my sexuality. Playing as a gay female character or interacting and even befriending gay people don't make me less of a man or straight. Also doesn't make any of my friends less of a man or a woman for beeing gay or bi or whatever.

I'd argue what'd make one less of a man or a women is scapegoating their inner insecurities or hate or whatever to a minority, that's weak and coward.

I'm gonna say it only one more time: No one has expressed hatred for gays.

pustal · Dec 8, 2020

elk1007 said:
I'm gonna say it only one more time: No one has expressed hatred for gays.

Dunno about hatred, but bigotry for sure, from your "they are part of an agenda to degrade straight men" for just being there to "Homosexuality isn't a timeless nor universal theme; it's natural but not the norm, i.e. normal." and therefore shouldn't be represented in media.

CathyRina · Dec 9, 2020

The only chatacter i dont find believeable are Abby's muscles. Having gains like that is just not nossible with rationed food during a zombie apocalypse. But thats like the smallest issue with the game, they obviously made her jacked so she'd have different gameplay from Ellie.

Jogarr · Dec 9, 2020

The entire backlash is dumb. The first game doesn't have any less "woke propaganda" than this one. If you want to critisize the game, critisize it's bad writing. Don't pretend that the problems with the game is just politics and "the woke SJWs ruining media". People wanted to hate this game since day one.

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