The media is creating mass hysteria over the Coronavirus.

Deleted User · Nov 29, 2020

tabzer said:
The question was loaded, sure,

So... You admit to making a dishonest question... do you want a cookie?

tabzer said:
but I didn't realize we had people willing to shut down potential dissent from the CCP here.

Oh I see, I'm suddenly the bad guy for only taking issue that you were making a question in bad faith. I see how that works.

tabzer said:
I used "as" (adverb) to compare the quality of transparency between two countries, with the primary (US) being more of the quality and the latter (China) of being less or equal to.

tabzer said:
It's not an argument. It's a question. The implication is that Chinese history is not as accessible as American history. Correct me if I am wrong. kthxbai

Does anyone see a problem here?
No?
Let's reload this statement then

tabzer said:
You are being a moron. "Transparent" does not mean "not accessible". If you can't answer the question then back off and let someone else answer it.

Anyone looking at the quotes above would notice that you just used transparency and not (as) accessible interchangeably even though you stated before they aren't the same.
Something's telling me your backing the fuck up since your caught. Trying to change what you were saying. Also back to your defense of "well I used as" doesn't really matter. Not accessible and not as accessible, not transparent, and not as transparent does not change the meaning in any significant way. Yeah, your comparing something. does it change the meaning by much? No. My arguments still stand.

Moving on, I again ask. Because essentially admitting that it was a loaded question. Only helps prove my point. That the question you made was in bad faith.
So, what was your motive for asking it here? Again it bears repeating. Your on the internet, you can look shit up. So why ask here, out of all covid related forms? or with the option to make your own form. Given that it was a loaded question, what was your agenda? Loaded questions don't normally occur unless someone is trying to push a agenda on someone else.
Keep trying to dismiss me, you've been dismissive this entire time.

tabzer · Nov 29, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
admit to making a dishonest question

I don't think it was dishonest. I think it was pretty clear that I already think China is lacking in transparency. You asked me what I was implying (as if you genuinely couldn't understand), and I said it directly. What is a surprise at though, is that you find it controversial and a dishonest assessment.

monkeyman4412 said:
Not accessible and not as accessible, not transparent, and not as transparent does not change the meaning in any significant way

Yeah. That's not what you said before. I already made the point that accessible and transparent are synonyms in the way that I am using them. You argued something completely different.

monkeyman4412 said:
No person ever uses transparent to mean "not accessible"

That's dumb and false--and apparently your "proof" of my "contradiction".

monkeyman4412 said:
I'm suddenly the bad guy for only taking issue that you were making a question in bad faith

You look like the bad guy because you take issue with that there was an implication, act as it is controversial--yet you won't be forward enough to accept or reject it.

I would have been open if you were to say something to the lines of, "China is more transparent than people generally think, and the reasons are..."

monkeyman4412 said:
Keep trying to dismiss me, you've been dismissive this entire time.

As I should. You are having a temper tantrum and not making sense.

Deleted User · Nov 29, 2020

tabzer said:
I don't think it was dishonest.

Loaded questions are inherently dishonest, they are push an agenda. You yourself stated that it was supposed to be just a question. You know it was a dishonest question. If you just merely asked "what is china's history about Viruses" I would of given far less scrutiny over it.

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tabzer said:
You look like the bad guy because you take issue with that there was an implication, act as it is controversial--yet you won't be forward enough to accept or reject it.

Again it's a matter of where you asked it. You've yet to still defend yourself as to why you didn't go research it.

I also already stated that I had suspicion that you were going to throw some conspiracy out. because your original statement could be used as a basis as such. I also took issue because it's a loaded question.

tabzer said:
It was presumptuous, but not dishonest.

from the context of you just saying it was supposed to be JUST a question. No, it was dishonest.

tabzer said:
It was loaded for you because you disagreed with the presumption and found it controversial.

Further from the truth. I disagreed specifically with how you framed it. I don't find it controversial. What I do find as an issue is you trying to frame a question that is so vague and definitely not innocent at all. Such a specifically worded, loaded question can invoke conspiracy theories. That's why I took issue with it initially.

tabzer · Nov 29, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
Loaded questions are inherently dishonest, they are push an agenda. You yourself stated that it was supposed to be just a question. You know it was a dishonest question. If you just merely asked "what is china's history about Viruses" I would of given far less scrutiny over it.

It was presumptuous, but not dishonest. It was loaded for you because you disagreed with the presumption and found it controversial. Honestly, that was an unexpected reaction. Please explain how I was wrong in assuming that China might not be as transparent about their history with its citizens in regards to viruses and disease.

tabzer · Nov 30, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
I also took issue because it's a loaded question.

It's only loaded if the implication is controversial. Since this is a question for more than one person, it can be loaded for you and not for others. You are calling it a loaded question, so what do you disagree with, specifically? Just that it sounds bad?

monkeyman4412 said:
from the context of you just saying it was supposed to be JUST a question. No, it was dishonest.

I didn't say "it was JUST a question". I have been up front about what I said and you are making a habit of injecting your own creep into what I've said. You are projecting so hard.

monkeyman4412 said:
. I don't find it controversial. What I do find as an issue is you trying to frame a question that is so vague and definitely not innocent at all. Such a specifically worded, loaded question can invoke conspiracy theories. That's why I took issue with it initially.

Ah gatekeeping. Nice. How virtuous of you.

Also, how are you editing your posts without it saying "edited"? Why aren't you responding to me in-line?

UltraSUPRA · Nov 30, 2020

So I found something.

Deleted User · Nov 30, 2020

tabzer said:
Also, how are you editing your posts without it saying "edited"? Why aren't you responding to me in-line?

Gbatemp occasionally glitches out my posts. it occasionally binds what I already said to a previous post I made, Making it somehow possible for me to respond to something before even if there is a response in between. I don't know how it happens, but it does. That's a question for the back end people since even I don't get how the fuck that happens.

tabzer · Nov 30, 2020

monkeyman4412 said:
Gbatemp occasionally glitches out my posts. it occasionally binds what I already said to a previous post I made, even if there is a response in between. I don't know how it happens, but it does.

Thanks. Weird and confusing though.

omgcat · Nov 30, 2020

th3joker said:
This has been one of the best social experiments. This is not the spanish flu like we first thought. This is imo sensationalism infotainment fueled by integrated internet and social media cult sheep follower mentalaty

tell that to the 250k+ dead people, wake them up and pull their dead bodies out of the ground cause it's just a flu. My friends mom passed from covid on Saturday, was in the ICU intubated for 10 days. The lack of empathy fucking kills me. These aren't just numbers, they are people with lives, families, and friends. My friend couldn't even see her in her last moments.

UltraSUPRA · Nov 30, 2020

omgcat said:
tell that to the 250k+ dead people, wake them up and pull their dead bodies out of the ground cause it's just a flu. My friends mom passed from covid on Saturday, was in the ICU intubated for 10 days. The lack of empathy fucking kills me. These aren't just numbers, they are people with lives, families, and friends.

The amount of total deaths this year has been equal to any other year. The amount of hospitalizations is lower.

omgcat · Nov 30, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
The amount of total deaths this year has been equal to any other year. The amount of hospitalizations is lower.

oh boy, i'll make sure to tell Jeff his mom is OK! the total deaths are normal! his mom was just a normal statistic! It was ok for her to die! jackass

except you're wrong about the death rate, we have almost 300k excess deaths this year compared to average.

mm6942e2_ExcessDeathsCOVID19_IMAGE_20Oct20_1200x675-medium.jpg

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

UltraSUPRA · Nov 30, 2020

omgcat said:
except you're wrong about the death rate, we have almost 300k excess deaths this year compared to average.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

I don't know about that one.

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Oh, also, if you still want that precious vaccine, read the last sentence of this.

The usual safety tests will be bypassed, as those may take years of monitoring.

Yeah, I ain't taking it.

omgcat · Nov 30, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
I don't know about that one.
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oh my god, it's like people don't want to (or can't) go outside or to other dangerous places thus reducing the need for medical services. oh, and maybe people are more worried about their health and are getting preventative care instead of putting it off and dying. what a concept! maybe try un-slopeing your forehead a bit.

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UltraSUPRA said:
I don't know about that one.
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Oh, also, if you still want that precious vaccine, read the last sentence of this.
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The usual safety tests will be bypassed, as those may take years of monitoring.

Yeah, I ain't taking it.

weren't you the one raving about sputnikV months ago? totally ready to take a Russian vaccine and advocating for it? what happened to that? didn't come out in time to save Diaper don, so now you're gonna throw a hissy fit?

UltraSUPRA · Nov 30, 2020

omgcat said:
oh my god, it's like people don't want to (or can't) go outside or to other dangerous places thus reducing the need for medical services. oh, and maybe people are more worried about their health and are getting preventative care instead of putting it off and dying. what a concept! maybe try un-slopeing your forehead a bit.

Fun fact: over in Japan, more people committed suicide last month than there were COVID deaths since its creation. Don't even try to argue that these COVID precautions save lives.

omgcat said:
weren't you the one raving about sputnikV months ago? totally ready to take a Russian vaccine and advocating for it? what happened to that? didn't come out in time to save Diaper don, so now you're gonna throw a hissy fit?

I'm not going to take that, either. I want it out ASAP, so we can get back to normal, but I want it priced insanely high so that nobody can take it, meaning nobody will suffer any potential side effects.

tabzer · Nov 30, 2020

I have a problem with the term excess deaths, which is used everywhere in these articles.

Number of excess deaths: A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero.

So negative values are set to zero. That will certainly pump numbers up.

This is an example to demonstrate the logical fallacy, and aren't based on real statistics:

So even in the event there are less deaths in 2020, we can still report of 350 excess deaths in 2020.

350 excess deaths, which is a 22% increase! Where is all this excess death coming from? Well, we can blame Covid because that's the only thing new in 2020. (Something the NYTimes would probably say--the reputable source who would never mislead you.)

This is not to say that Covid is not dangerous, and that we should not be doing everything we can to prevent spreading it. My only point in sharing this is to point out how the statistics aren't user friendly (or even meaningful, possibly), and they are being used as the reference point to make the pandemic easier to sell--which I personally do not think is helpful in containing it.

th3joker · Nov 30, 2020

omgcat said:
tell that to the 250k+ dead people, wake them up and pull their dead bodies out of the ground cause it's just a flu. My friends mom passed from covid on Saturday, was in the ICU intubated for 10 days. The lack of empathy fucking kills me. These aren't just numbers, they are people with lives, families, and friends. My friend couldn't even see her in her last moments.

People die every year from the corona virus witch is mutated flu virus that transfered from animal to human just like the "pig" and "bird" flu "end of the world plagues" we have seen in the last 10 years. The difference now is that evey idiot has a smart phone now and blindly believes whatever the majority of other like minded simpletons believe. Hence the toilet paper "shortage" that was started with a meme. Ive had the rona but i had it in november 2019. Before we had a way test for it. I have family and friends that work in the hospitals and i know that the numbers are inflated by false positives, that the hospitals are losing money from not being allowed to do organ donations from the random daily deaths, so in order to not go bankrupt are allowed to lable damn near any death as "covid related" to then get a government grant for $35'000.00 to "process and clean up" after a covid death. The tests living people are taking are high with false positives and if you stop and think about it the drive up testing sites and really any place where people get tested are "super spreader sites". What we have not gotten to is the blockade of being able to publicly grocery shop without being required to have a daily covid clear check or a proof of covid antibodys or a proof of covid vaccine. Thats where this is leading to since "the stupid general public" are all to blame for this virus to keep spreading and we are all dicks for not literally staying inside our bedrooms and just watch tv to see when they say we can stop with this "new normal" bs and go back to knowing the world still spins clouds still rain and plants still grow and its not the end of the world. Lol.

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The panic is and always will be far worse than the actual problem and that is the real issue. The SJW mentality which is a version of oppressive brain washing has been allowed for the last few year to feel entitled empowerment and if you disagree they will cancel you or try to hurt any way you make money. Their is no overhead of a group of world doctors who hold the right to dictate to the entire world what they think we all should do based on a educated guess

omgcat · Nov 30, 2020

th3joker said:
People die every year from the corona virus witch is mutated flu virus that transfered from animal to human just like the "pig" and "bird" flu "end of the world plagues" we have seen in the last 10 years.

you're just blasting out flat out lies left and right. you couldn't even get the basic facts right. Influenza and Coronavirus are completely different families of viruses. one is in the Orthomyxoviridae family and the other is in the coronavirade family. that's like saying cats and dogs are 100% the same thing because they are both mammals. it's not a good look. like if you can't even get 8th grade biology facts right, why should i believe anything else you posted? like i don't understand how Americans can eat up all this disinfo nonsense like "Covid is a hoax" or "covid will disappear when the election ends". There's more than 180 countries besides us fucking around with this virus and some have had much better responses than we did. maybe we should pull our head out of our ass and pay attention.

like we have a complete genetic sequence of the fucking thing and people still think it's fake, i just don't understand.

UltraSUPRA · Nov 30, 2020

I'm just gonna post this again.

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I'll also pull out a better argument for this.

omgcat said:
oh my god, it's like people don't want to (or can't) go outside or to other dangerous places thus reducing the need for medical services. oh, and maybe people are more worried about their health and are getting preventative care instead of putting it off and dying. what a concept! maybe try un-slopeing your forehead a bit.

Then why is COVID still an issue?

omgcat · Nov 30, 2020

UltraSUPRA said:
Then why is COVID still an issue?

people don't listen to scientists and get them and their family members killed? more than 7 million people took planes over thanksgiving week?

UltraSUPRA · Nov 30, 2020

omgcat said:
people don't listen to scientists and get them and their family members killed? more than 7 million people took planes over thanksgiving week?

Then why is the death rate for all causes lower this year than last year?

The media is creating mass hysteria over the Coronavirus.

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