This is why it's hard to get a PS5..

subcon959 · Nov 25, 2020

A UK based scalper group claims it managed to snag 3500 PS5 consoles to re-sell to customers..

https://www.businessinsider.com/pla...pe-flooded-by-reseller-bots-2020-11?r=US&IR=T

Isn't it about time that someone figured out how to protect retail sites from bots? Surely it can't be that hard? Is it that there is no incentive for them as a sale is a sale, or is it a technical problem?

Rj.MoG · Nov 25, 2020

subcon959 said:
A UK based scalper group claims it managed to snag 3500 PS5 consoles to re-sell to customers..

https://www.businessinsider.com/pla...pe-flooded-by-reseller-bots-2020-11?r=US&IR=T

Isn't it about time that someone figured out how to protect retail sites from bots? Surely it can't be that hard? Is it that there is no incentive for them as a sale is a sale, or is it a technical problem?

Money is money baby. It's the same reason companies like Apple, Best Buy and Google don't have safeguards against scammers using gift cards.

guisadop · Nov 25, 2020

the real idiots are the ones paying a premium for flipped consoles. that's why scalpers get to do that lol

subcon959 · Nov 25, 2020

Rj.MoG said:
Money is money baby. It's the same reason companies like Apple, Best Buy and Google don't have safeguards against scammers using gift cards.

I get that part, I just feel that good will is worth something that money can't buy. People would probably like to support a retailer that was openly against bots and scalpers.

SG854 · Nov 25, 2020

This is pure evil of the highest order. We just want to game & have fun. And they ruins it. Give us our consoles!

morvoran · Nov 25, 2020

guisadop said:
the real idiots are the ones paying a premium for flipped consoles. that's why scalpers get to do that lol

This here.

If people hate scalpers, then stop giving them business. If scalping was a losing venture, then they would stop doing it (or at least slow down). It's just like people that complain about corporations getting too big on twitter using their iphone, while wearing Nike shoes, waiting in line at Wal-Mart.

Veho · Nov 25, 2020

It is very hard to automatically detect whether an order is legitimate or a bot, especially when there are thousands of requests per minute, both legitimate and bots. You could implement a series of captchas every step of the ordering process but that's not very consumer friendly. And 99.9% of any store's inventory will not have scalpers preying upon it, so it's a lot of work to secure that one item doesn't fall into the wrong hands. And in the end, money is money.

Armadillo · Nov 25, 2020

Retail sites don't want to protect from scalpers. A sale is a sale.

If people want it to stop, stop buying from scalpers. Be no scalping if people didn't pay over rrp because they have to have it right this second.

SG854 · Nov 25, 2020

morvoran said:
This here.

If people hate scalpers, then stop giving them business. If scalping was a losing venture, then they would stop doing it (or at least slow down). It's just like people that complain about corporations getting too big on twitter using their iphone, while wearing Nike shoes, waiting in line at Wal-Mart.

The same people that complain about corporations are not always the same people that support them. Way to go to generalize just so you can defend an anti consumer practice.

It sucks for the people who don't buy at scalper prices, yet have to deal with scalpers taking away their chance of getting one. It's other people that feeds the existence of scalpers that buy at scalper prices that screw it up for the non stupid person who buys at MSRP.

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Veho said:
It is very hard to automatically detect whether an order is legitimate or a bot, especially when there are thousands of requests per minute, both legitimate and bots. You could implement a series of captchas every step of the ordering process but that's not very consumer friendly. And 99.9% of any store's inventory will not have scalpers preying upon it, so it's a lot of work to secure that one item doesn't fall into the wrong hands. And in the end, money is money.

I prefer micro centers approach. Show up to a store to get one. No online orders allowed. This should get rid of bots. Scalpers will still exist but at least you can solve the bot problem. Too bad the corona virus making showing up to a store not an option for some areas.

spotanjo3 · Nov 25, 2020

No you can't. Money is money. And because they are the scum! Greedy is what they are.

Good thing that I already reserve mine for January 2021 to pick it up in a small private store so no worries.

Chary · Nov 25, 2020

SG854 said:
I prefer micro centers approach. Show up to a store to get one.

Is this just in general? Because my Microcenter definitely had no PS5s, at least according to whoever I called up there.

I do think it's a solid way to prevent scalpers, but even without corona, there's a simplicity to online orders. It's so much easier. And yeah, I don't think Microcenters are common outside large cities, which sucks.

As for the people buying PS5s scalped, they clearly have more money than sense. Are they ever really going to stop? It's almost like a JRPG--when you have so much money in the endgame, you buy 99x of any healing item because money doesn't matter. I'm sure it's similar for them. They don't want to bother failing to get one before the bots do, so they just pay 3x the price because they can afford it.

SG854 · Nov 25, 2020

Chary said:
Is this just in general? Because my Microcenter definitely had no PS5s, at least according to whoever I called up there.

I do think it's a solid way to prevent scalpers, but even without corona, there's a simplicity to online orders. It's so much easier. And yeah, I don't think Microcenters are common outside large cities, which sucks.

As for the people buying PS5s scalped, they clearly have more money than sense. Are they ever really going to stop? It's almost like a JRPG--when you have so much money in the endgame, you buy 99x of any healing item because money doesn't matter. I'm sure it's similar for them. They don't want to bother failing to get one before the bots do, so they just pay 3x the price because they can afford it.

Do micro centers carry PS5's? I'm just saying how they handle new releases like their gpu's. Other stores should adopts that style, Like Best Buy or Walmart or whatever.

The convenience of online goes out the window when these consoles are hard to get to begin with. So its not much easier or simpler.

Do no online till stock normalizes after a few months then allow online orders.

morvoran · Nov 25, 2020

SG854 said:
The same people that complain about corporations are not always the same people that support them. Way to go to generalize just so you can defend an anti consumer practice.

I know right?!?! Too bad people are only able generalize all people into one category when they try to bring up an argument. Imagine a world where I was only talking about the corporate supporters that complain about their size while not including those that actually live "off the grid" so to speak.... unfathomable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you can try pulling your head out of your ass to see that the sun is shining before telling someone the sky is dark.

SG854 · Nov 25, 2020

morvoran said:
I know right?!?! Too bad people are only able generalize all people into one category when they try to bring up an argument. Imagine a world where I was only talking about the corporate supporters that complain about their size while not including those that actually live "off the grid" so to speak.... unfathomable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe you can try pulling your head out of your ass to see that the sun is shining before telling someone the sky is dark.

Then don't used generalized words if you want people to know what you're saying.

mrgone · Nov 25, 2020

SG854 said:
This is pure evil of the highest order.

Also known as good old capitalism:
Monopolize a scarce resource

subcon959 · Nov 25, 2020

Aren't some forms of scalping illegal already? It seems some people have turned it into a source of income this year with all the big releases. Surely the tax people should be interested in that?

FAST6191 · Nov 25, 2020

As above if it bothers you then don't pay the prices. Something costs what someone else is willing to pay. Getting bent out of shape is more or less just amusing.

subcon959 said:
Aren't some forms of scalping illegal already? It seems some people have turned it into a source of income this year with all the big releases. Surely the tax people should be interested in that?

More or less emergency and some medical goods in time of emergency in some places (tornado coming in, evacuation for other reasons, in some cases this pandemic lark assuming it was declared an emergency at the time which it often wasn't), don't think the UK has anything though.

tech3475 · Nov 25, 2020

subcon959 said:
A UK based scalper group claims it managed to snag 3500 PS5 consoles to re-sell to customers..

https://www.businessinsider.com/pla...pe-flooded-by-reseller-bots-2020-11?r=US&IR=T

Isn't it about time that someone figured out how to protect retail sites from bots? Surely it can't be that hard? Is it that there is no incentive for them as a sale is a sale, or is it a technical problem?

In the case of one high street retailer I know of, they just don’t seem to give a ****, bar a basic picture identity to login to the website.

I was speaking with a manager who said there was nothing they could do as corporate didn’t place any restrictions (e.g. 1 console per person), even though they ‘knew’ who were scalpers.

As for incentives, I think they’re forgetting that they’re potentially missing out on games/accessories/product care (the latter being where the real profits are from what I’ve heard).

elk1007 · Nov 26, 2020

tech3475 said:
In the case of one high street retailer I know of, they just don’t seem to give a ****, bar a basic picture identity to login to the website.

I was speaking with a manager who said there was nothing they could do as corporate didn’t place any restrictions (e.g. 1 console per person), even though they ‘knew’ who were scalpers.

As for incentives, I think they’re forgetting that they’re potentially missing out on games/accessories/product care (the latter being where the real profits are from what I’ve heard).

They are totally missing out on sales.
I doubt scalpers buy a bunch of games and Point of Sale pushed products (stickers, candy, small toys).

Bladexdsl · Nov 26, 2020

scalpers are scum of the earth. but hey go ahead and pay these prices. in one year when there are plenty of ps5 available, has more games, a few patches have been released to fix the bugs (and the launch will have bugs) and the black edition is out I will be paying retail price

unlike all these idiots buying them now I CAN WAIT

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